From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #213 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, September 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 213 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: the best album issue [sesykes@juno.com (SES Pool)] ET: Re: [sesykes@juno.com (SES Pool)] ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links [MorpheusOB@aol.com] ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links [CornflkGl@aol.com] ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links [kartalst@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU] ET: Fw: EDAF: Re: [sesykes@juno.com (SES Pool)] ET: my rather fashionably late intro [genben@usa.net] ET: yes...i'm back...oh my [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cobby & The ] ET: ANOTHER intro [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: fill in the blank thingy [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: Re: EDA's Helping hand! [Angeljlb96@aol.com] ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links ["Kevin Pease" writes: >=) You will find that most suicide help lines are handled by untrained >professionals. Crisis Intervention workers are not certified with >anything. Nor are most voluteer crisis workers. The only time they are >certified is if they are a professional doing pro-bono work. I myself >am >not certified for anything. I am, however, covered by my >organization's >liability, which we are not covered under the EDAF. > Actually, yes it is true to a certain extent though. Small phone lines who are connected with major governmental orginizations aren't usually trained very well or with little training. But, the phone lines that are supported by the government requires that it's volunteers/workers to be trained. I know this because a relative worked for the rape crisis hotline. Most lines are very well put together! ** Scott S.** -Big Sexy Angel "WHY DO YOU JUDGE ME, YOU'RE NOT MY PEERS YOU AINT LOVED ME FOR YEARS!" -Tupac Shakur R.I.P _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:40:16 EDT From: MorpheusOB@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links In a message dated 9/22/98 3:41:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nestle@ptd.net writes: << =) Essentially, the only training we need is to be able to care and give some time. The only other thing we need to know, in case of emergency, is how to call the operator, ask for Crisis Intervention, and what to say to them. I think that is manageable and possible! >> I think I'm gonna agree with Mark on this one. Although I'm a social worker, without any specific training towards crisis intervention, I was never specifically trained to deal with troubled kids, but the situation comes up. It's usually just a matter of listening and letting them get things off of their chest. And having a back up plan in case things go wrong. Hopefully, they wouldn't be cpoming to us for help at the very last stages of a crisis. We would just have to try and talk and if that didn't work, send them somewhere else. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:36:04 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links In a message dated 98-09-22 12:44:44 EDT, MorpheusOB@aol.com writes: << Hopefully, they wouldn't be coming to us for help at the very last stages of a crisis. We would just have to try and talk and if that didn't work, send them somewhere else. >> In my (thankfully few and far between) experiences with suicide prevention, I've noticed that people often don't go to strangers for help. As someone mentioned, people who feel suicidal will go to Jewel because they feel as if they know her, and that she's a caring person who can help. The same goes for the EDAs (or at least used to when I'd read list mail). A suicidal EDA will go to the rest of the EDAs as a whole because they feel like the rest of the EDAs care. Suicide hotlines are wonderful and probably helpful for people who have noone else to go to. But if someone comes to one of us for intervention, I'm not too keen on passing them on to some anonymous help line or website. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying- I know that we can't be the be all and end all of suicide prevention. However, if we start doing some kind of help program, I'd like it to be a bit more than "I totally understand how you feel. Here's a number to call." I know noone is necessarily suggesting that. We just have to remember that some people will only give one cry for help, and if they come to us, that will be it. This "project" sounds like it'll be a wonderful resource if we can make it work out. It also sounds incredibly difficult. Suicide intervention can take a lot out of you. I learned this when I had a close call with a friend and list member a couple of years ago. That person came to me, and while I would have helped them out again in a second, it took a lot out of me. Crunch/Mark taught me a lot during that period- he knew what would likely happen, how the friend would treat me, and taught me how to marginally keep my sanity. I'm thinking mostly of the emotional aspects of the process here.My ideal program would be one that offered a friend when one was needed. Hell, my SUPER ideal would be some kind of shift program where an EDA that had been taught about suicide prevention could be available at all hours... where the suicidal person always had a number to call, and the person on the other end would always be a friend. I know this is ideallistic and unlikely.... but it seems like a good idea to me. Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: kartalst@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU Subject: ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links I think it's really important...if there are people who are really interested in taking an active role, insofar as to really listen and take the time, to be able to know those tips to keeping sanity and to not burning out or whatever...like Crunch shared with Rach. I wish I had that type of help when my friend called me with a gun to his head. I calmed him down, but it was still one of the most trying experiences I have ever been in with another person. SO...*if* Mark and Jon are willing to hold a sort of "training session" or whatever...or if anyone who is *qualified* is willing to do that...to give us all guidelines on how to listen, what to listen for...how to de-stress after these phone calls...how to really be able to do something *positive* with the people who seek our help & understanding--I offer my house for a weekend get-together and training session of sorts. If Mark & Jon can not help us out...or if their schedules do not allow...we can get someone from a crisis intervention group or form a sort of counseling service/group to come and help train us. i am sure that there are plenty of people who are qualified & willing to help out with this stuff... Anyone interested? let me know. we can compound it with something fun like laser tag or a concert or whatever we can come up with...i think that for spending the time to get guidelines and training on stuff as heavy as this that it's easier to do it with other people...and it's easier to do it knowing that you're gonna have something fun and mindless to look forward to later on... take care, stephanie * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Stephanie Maria Kartalopoulos * The Greek Poet Chyck kartalst@hugse1.harvard.edu This is my prayer for you: May the moon protect you with honesty, caring, and gentility. May the sun guide you with assertive perseverence. May the stars embrace you, bringing smiles to your faces and songs to your souls. And I hear your voice through the darkness-it's music to my ears. -J.Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:13:01 -0500 From: sesykes@juno.com (SES Pool) Subject: ET: Fw: EDAF: Re: (i meant to say phone lines not connected with the government) Actually, yes it is true to a certain extent though. Small phone lines who AREN'T connected with major governmental organizations aren't usually trained very well or with little training. But, the phone lines that are supported by the government requires that it's volunteers/workers to be trained. I know this because a relative worked for the rape crisis hotline. Most lines are very well put together! ** Scott S.** -Big Sexy Angel "WHY DO YOU JUDGE ME, YOU'RE NOT MY PEERS YOU AINT LOVED ME FOR YEARS!" -Tupac Shakur R.I.P _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 98 16:13:07 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: ET: my rather fashionably late intro Hey, Well, in true Ben's-too-busy-working-to-be-afunctioning-list-member style, I'm going to contribute to this now-stale thread. Hi! I'm Ben. I live outside of our Nation's Capital, although within the next two weeks my new apartment in the shadow of the Capitol building (which I have been waiting for now for about three months) will be ready. Yeah! My commute has been cut in half! You see, I work four jobs (Only one is full-time) and spend a large portion of every day traveling from home to job, job to home, job to job, etc., which is why I get so behind on this list (and all my business-related mail, too, for that matter). I am, and have been for some time, a rave promoter. That's right, yours truly is the kind of guy who brings you those crazy all-night dance parties. If you've never been to a rave, go. Unless you're too young, which I was when I started. Look at me now. I don't have a college education by any stretch, although I've taken classes here and there. I work in a books/music store in Dupont Circle full time, and I have assorted club/rave duties throughout the week that make up the rest of my 'jobs.' when I do podt here, I am without doubt long-winded and opinionated, but that's the way I live my life. What can I say, other than I have missions to complete. I do some volunteer work with a few groups, most prominenetly the International Campaign for Tibet and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. I am a vegan. I went to high school in the Netherlands, any drug-oriented kid's dream, and therefore my dream at that particular age (drinking and smoking pot legally at 16? Who wouldn't want that?). Umm.... I'm trying to be a s thorough as possible here. Oh, yeah, there's an article about me on the MTV website, in the D.C. local Clubland Archives. It's the one about Low Tech (my weekly rave party). One last thing- Kevin, I'm sorry, but the simple fact is that Guinness is better than Bass Ale, and trust me, I have experience in the area. Although, I do enjoy a good black and Tan now and then. We'll have to get together when I come up to Boston for the World Series, which we all know the Red Sox will not only BE in, but win, right? Okay, onward and upward Ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:29:21 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cobby & The GoA) Subject: ET: yes...i'm back...oh my yes yes i know you all know i'm back, but baby, i'm still stunned here. i mean, i'm HOME. *sniff* from the most intense week of my entire life. siiiiiigh................................................... hey and i'm a swing-dancin' chic! and a more open girl, and a changed and strengthened person. now i must write all about it....so many deep relationships gained over the past week....which you might be thinking, 'not possible sam,' and let me tell you, that is more possible than getting together for a couple hours every week over 3 years with someone. 20/7 and i now have the best friendships in the entire world. xoxo sam the ? angel with a slight cold, overflowing heart and shining but teary eyes moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:45:31 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: ANOTHER intro Hey everyone :) I'm Niki...15 yrs old...I live in Danville PA (another really small town)...I love music-SWING :) alternative, ska, the blues, classical, punk, oldies, jazz, an' electronica. In my spare time (I am beginning to forget what that is exactly) I write poetry, shop, party, read, go to the movies etc...My favorite movie is Empire Records. If anyone wants to know what I look like e-mail me an' I'll send ya a pic. Okay...that's it! Short and sweet :) Niki ************************ Live For Today Dream For Tomorrow Learn From Yesterday ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:18:56 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: fill in the blank thingy FULL NAME: Nicole Ashley Brady LOCATION: Danville PA AGE: 15 BIRTHDAY: Sept. 15 '83 SIGN: Virgo HAIR COLOR: Blondish Brownish Redish EYE COLOR: Brown HEIGHT: 5'7" WHAT SPORT(S) DO YOU PLAY?: TENNIS! :) PETS: little bro...and a ton of other animals BEST BUDs: Weazle, Jane, Liz an' Liz, Becky, Sid, Toddie FAVORITE COLOR(s): Green MOVIE(s): EMPIRE RECORDS Halloween H2O FAV TYPE OF MUSIC: swing and alternative TALK SHOW(s): JERRY SPRINGER!! hahaha...we get to watch it during art class! NIGHT TIME SOAP OPERA(s): none but General Hospital is my fav. dt one AMUSEMENT PARK(s): Disney STORE : The Wall TV CHANNEL(s): MTV, VH1 FRUIT: oranges PERFUME & COLOGNE: fetish is kewl CARTOON(s): SOUTHPARK ALL THE WAY BABY FLOWER: daisies in the summer and roses any other time DO YOU PREFER... HERSHEY'S SYRUP OR NESTLE QUIK? Hershey Syrup SILVER OR GOLD? GOLD-silver looks cheap PEN OR PENCIL? Pen THE BEACH OR A SWIMMING POOL? DA BEACH!! CDS OR RADIO? CDs WHAT PHYSICAL TRAITS DO YOU NOTICE FIRST IN THE OPPOSITE SEX: eyes WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR IN THE OPPOSITE SEX: a good personality ARE YOU CURRENTLY CRUSHING ON "JUST A FRIEND?" I am going out with my friend WHO SHOULD MAKE THE FIRST MOVE? IT should me mutual HOW DO YOU LET SOMEONE KNOW YOU ARE INTERESTED? FLIRT DO YOU KISS & TELL?: I tell my bestfriend on occasion DO YOU KISS ON THE 1ST DATE? Depends PICK A SONG TO DESCRIBE YOUR LIFE: I dunno DO YOU... BELIEVE IN GHOSTS? yeah WISH UPON A STARS? yeah READ YOUR HOROSCOPE? yeah USE SHAMPOO & CONDITIONER? l'oreal vita vive LIKE THUNDERSTORMS? i love em :) OTHER STUFF: WHAT TIME DO YOU GO TO SLEEP? Whenever I am tired WHAT TIME DO YOU WAKE UP? 5 then i go back to sleep WHAT COLOR ARE YOUR WALLS? i dunno IF YOU COULD MEET ANYONE, WHO WOULD IT BE? gavin rossdale TWIN, FULL, QUEEN, OR KING BED? single BOXERS, BRIEFS, BIKINI, ETC. FOR YOU? FOR THE OPP. SEX? bikini for me boxers for guys IF YOU COULD BE ON ANY TALK SHOW, WHAT WOULD IT BE? jerry springer WHAT'S THE WACKIEST THING YOU'VE EVER DONE? locked a teacher out of the ISS room WHAT SCARES YOU? the dark WHAT DO YOU REGRET MOST? a lot of things IF YOU HAD ONE DAY TO DO ANYTHING (FOR FREE), WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Fly off the Eifle Tower...or at least try to :) WHAT'S ON YOUR PIZZA? X-tra cheese IF YOU COULD BE ANYONE FOR A DAY WHO WOULD YOU BE? I dunno.... ************************ Live For Today Dream For Tomorrow Learn From Yesterday ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:03:11 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: EDA's Helping hand! Alright, so it looks like the list is up for the edas in crisis thing. Let me know if you want to help, and I'll add you to the list. SO far, I know Kevin, and Romy are in...anyone else? Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:26:12 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: EDAF: Web Site/ Links >> Stephanie writes: >I think it's really important...if there are people who are really >interested in taking an active role, insofar as to really listen and take >the time, to be able to know those tips to keeping sanity and to not >burning out [...] Anyone interested? I'm interested, depending mostly on location. (I'm assuming your house is in Massachusetts, or somewhere near enough by that I can drive to it, since your email is through harvard.edu...) Like I said before, I'd definitely like to be involved in this, so you can put me down as interested. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "It's just another daybreak, I'm walking holes in the rug, It's just another sunrise, looking out of this hole I dug, It's just another morning, but it gets a little lonely now and then, But I'm one morning closer to having you back again..." ---(Jonathan Edwards, "One Day Closer")--- ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #213 **********************************