From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #209 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, September 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 209 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: Fwd: Re: (no subject) [Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie)] ET: Re:Town PopUlation Deal ["*Pop Tart*" ] ET: My def of teensy-tiny... ["O'Neill" ] Re: ET: From MrBB to EDAF & EDA Thoughts [JonBoy911@aol.com] Re: ET: My def of teensy-tiny... [ICURMINE@aol.com] Re: ET: Delurking ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: MrBB's post to EDAF and ET - All PLEASE read :-) [Mike Connell ] ET: Re: EDAF: MrBB's post to EDAF and ET - All PLEASE read :-) [kartalst] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:28:22 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: >> Kristin A Maynard >Umm wow If 73,000 is small then I shudder to think what my town is. We >have like less than 2,000 people. What do you call that?!!!! Map dot? :) Damn... I thought 15,000 was small. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I have a tendency to wear my mind on my sleeve, I have a history of taking off my shirt..." ---(Barenaked Ladies, "One Week")--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:53:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: ET: Fwd: Re: (no subject) - --WebTV-Mail-234289921-91 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit oops. - --WebTV-Mail-234289921-91 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwBRKycvORe5WJOM5CMN+aRi+VaMCFDPnVpWgWSkCbPRyz2CDkm4FNz06 From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:51:58 -0500 (CDT) To: beccahusky1@juno.com (Kristin A Maynard) Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <13757-3606D88E-2009@mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1601061827-1147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) - --WebTV-Mail-1601061827-1147 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Ummmm...shut up, all of you. My town has 600 or so people. I know EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the HS. Hah! I won. Maggie (someone give me a better angel name. Pleeeeeez!!) - --WebTV-Mail-1601061827-1147 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id PAA05814; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id PAA18448; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.147.247]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01979; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA28098; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:18:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id SAA28076 for eda-thoughts-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id SAA28066 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from beccahusky1@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DPPYWXSH; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:16:52 EDT To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:05:57 -0400 Message-ID: <19980921.181215.3750.0.beccahusky1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-10,12 From: beccahusky1@juno.com (Kristin A Maynard) Sender: owner-eda-thoughts@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ?? 73,000 is a teeny-tiny little town? Yikes... I shudder to wonder what you'd think of the size of my hometown: population, ~15,000. :) Granted, I've never heard of Sarnia, but 73,000 isn't THAT small... :) >> Umm wow If 73,000 is small then I shudder to think what my town is. We have like less than 2,000 people. What do you call that?!!!! :) w/b Love Always, ~Kristin~ "If you cannot say 'I'll die if I don't do it', than you should not do it," -Madonna _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - --WebTV-Mail-1601061827-1147-- - --WebTV-Mail-234289921-91-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:58:11 MDT From: "*Pop Tart*" Subject: ET: Re:Town PopUlation Deal >> Kristin A Maynard >Umm wow If 73,000 is small then I shudder to think what my town is. We >have like less than 2,000 people. What do you call that?!!!! *hee hee hee* The place my mom lives in and that I visit every summer has less than 500 people!!! CraZyNeSS! The fire fighting angel... Kerry*jo* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:01:15 -0400 From: "O'Neill" Subject: ET: My def of teensy-tiny... > ?? 73,000 is a teeny-tiny little town? Yikes... I shudder to wonder >what you'd think of the size of my hometown: population, ~15,000. :) >Granted, I've never heard of Sarnia, but 73,000 isn't THAT small... :)<< >Umm wow If 73,000 is small then I shudder to think what my town is. We >have like less than 2,000 people. What do you call that?!!!!<< Um, I dunno what I'd call that. A small town, for sure... Next time I'll be more careful with my wording, 'kay? :p Well, see, I luv small towns. And, I agree, 73,000 is normally a fair sized city. But this place is smaller than 73,000 even though that's what it says in all the books! Plus, the population's spread over a large farm area.... Oh, thanks for Real World! ~Tasha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:28:56 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: From MrBB to EDAF & EDA Thoughts In a message dated 9/21/98 1:49:47 PM Central Daylight Time, ABershaw@aol.com writes: << My question to you all is-- Is it possible for something to be developed specifically to deal appropriately with these situations? Who amongst us is most qualified to help? If nothing else, can you as a group, compile resources so that a person in need of help can find it? This seems like a very worthy endeavor & possibly falls into the catagory of interest among EDAF folks as well as the EDA-Thoughts list. Or am I way off?? >> Now, I personally have had experience in crisis intervention, and I would be more than happy to help put together a website with phone numbers of hotlines, reading material etc. and I think if we called some intervention groups(KUTO, Boystown, etc.) they may even help out with material and possibly money for web space. Now here comes the problem....how do we go about advertising? I guess we could make a banner and ask all EDAs to place it on their websites and such, but it will get publicity on the list for only so long and then it will be forgotten. It would be a great addition to the list FAQ, which no one gets anymore. I'm arguing 2 sides again. :) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:44:04 EDT From: ICURMINE@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: My def of teensy-tiny... In a message dated 9/21/98 4:09:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oneill@ebtech.net writes: << ?? 73,000 is a teeny-tiny little town? Yikes... I shudder to wonder >what you'd think of the size of my hometown: population, ~15,000. :) >Granted, I've never heard of Sarnia, but 73,000 isn't THAT small... :)<< >Umm wow If 73,000 is small then I shudder to think what my town is. We >have like less than 2,000 people. What do you call that?!!!!<< Um, I dunno what I'd call that. A small town, for sure... Next time I'll be more careful with my wording, 'kay? :p >> we have a couple of tiny ass towns around here... we call them villages!!!! tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:16:20 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Delurking At 05:15 PM 9/21/98 EDT, Angeljlb96@aol.com wrote: >Well...you're not actually annoying me, just depressing me =( I've never been >to an EDA gathering, or a Jewel concert for that matter, cuz she doesn't come >here, but I did go to California to meet an EDA, and he's currently my >boyfriend, not to mention, I went to St. Louis and met Jon. Ummm...yea, >that's the extent of my gatherings!! ;-) Now, where did those plane tickets go to? Where do you live again? I'm in the mood to spend money...I'll come down and visit you if you want :) Maybe not in 1998 but 1999 is ok :) Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Cool Quotes and stuff :) "You're a big fish in a small town bowl...You're a legend in your own mind..." - -Patty Scoboria - "Movin' on" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:27:50 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: MrBB's post to EDAF and ET - All PLEASE read :-) I'd normally write more on this subject, especially since I've been involved numerous times with troubled people like what Alan has mentioned here, but I'm kind of swamped with a task right now. More than a few similar emails that Alan gets come to Jewel@smoe.org also, in virtually each case I write the person back....at times we discuss things for a while, but they've always moved on and when the situation dicatated it, they've generally gotten the help they've needed from either an anonymous organization in their area, or the school they belong to etc. However, the main reason I am writing is this. Before any organized effort to *actively help* any troubled individuals is planned/discussed on EDAF@smoe or EDA-thoughts@smoe, I must say that permission HAS to be granted by Jeff Wasilko to utilize smoe.org's resources. This is simply due to liability reasons. It's not beyond possibility that a troubled person would be advised by someone via the resources at smoe.org and either continued on to harm themselves or try to, and then have someone involved with that person attempt to sue Jeff and/or the person/people who organized this effort. Be careful here. Mike :-) P.S. Just to clarify (I hope). I see nothing wrong with continuing to discuss as you all have been. (and hopefully I can partake in soon also). It's just that if these talks are to start discussing/planning on how to help a particular someone while at the same time utilizing smoe.org in an active way....such as discussing a particular case on a smoe.org list, then BEFORE that is to ever happen, someone please talk to Jeff. (I am convinced he'd have to say no, as I said simply due to liability reasons)  : \    / :                    -- o -- :                      /    \ :                             .---.           .---. :                           /      \  @    /      \ :                         / / /     \(   ) /    \ \  \ :                       //////  /    '     `       --\\\\ :                     / /   /  / :         :   --\  \  \ \ :                    //  / /   /   /`     \     --\\ \   \\ :                  / /   /  /  / /  . .  . \ \  \    \   \ \                     We are everyday angels. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nissley Subject: ET: Re: EDAF: From MrBB to EDAF & EDA Thoughts =) Hi'ya! My first post here in a while... =) This is an idea that has been discussed a number of times over the years. It is a real problem, Alan has recieved a multitude of e-mails from troubled EDAs over the years. I believe that the number of requests and "cries for help" that Alan has recieved have increased over the years as the list has grown and Alan's position has become more prominent. This is not part of his responsiblity and it is time for us to take some of this load off his shoulders. =) Tom suggested a list of local resources. My feeling is that this is an EDA-centered problem. Many of the troubled folks tend to place an unusually high amount of value in Jewel's music and take her words to heart, often personalizing it to the extreme. Fellow EDAs can best relate to this attitude, and best understand the meaning of the music, more so than a non-EDA counselor would. Perhaps this is an example of how the EDAs can "take care of their own". =) This can be an EDAF-sponsored effort, meaning the EDAF can organize and sustain this effort. This would give us the opportunity to service the EDA community (from which we came), as well as our local communities. I am currently working as a counselor with troubled youth, and have worked in the past with adults of all ages. I have help design programs for youth with problems of different sizes. i would be glad to help organize or work with this effort in any capacity. My time has been tied up in the past when this issue arose, but it is available now. =) Mark Nissley, Crunch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:51:58 -0400 From: "The Quiet Angel" Subject: Re: ET: Delurking - -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Pease > > Yeah, 'cause Jamie's SO fearsome... Let us all pause and offer a silent >prayer that she will not ever feel the need to put the smack down on all of >us. :) > *whisper whisper whisper* I feel safer now. > > I , unfortunately, have missed every gathering to come down the pike, despite the fact that I live >about 4 hours from Bearsville, and could easily make a weekend trip to the >NYC area for some of the gatherings in that area. I guess I've just never >gotten up the ambition to try to make it to one. > tsk tsk. *JAMERS DON'T READ THIS!!!* EDA gatherings kick ass (most of the time). You've got to go to the next one that your able to get to. >>Then there was Bearsville '97 (which I unofficially rename Sexville, and > > Sexville? And I missed it... [sigh] The biggest chunk of free love to >occur in my lifetime, and I miss it. :) > It was another Woodstock minus the drugs and live music. > >>grrr... memory seems to be failing me. But that's enough to keep you >>entertained (or make you uninterested). > > Keep it up, we're entertained. If nothing else you'll annoy Jamie with >your tales of all the gatherings... and that alone is worth the >entertainment value. :) > > Kevin > But is it really worth risking my life? ;o) The Quiet Angel Abel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: kartalst@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU Subject: ET: Re: EDAF: MrBB's post to EDAF and ET - All PLEASE read :-) On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Connell wrote: > Before any organized effort to *actively help* any troubled individuals is > planned/discussed on EDAF@smoe or EDA-thoughts@smoe, I must say that > permission HAS to be granted by Jeff Wasilko to utilize smoe.org's > resources. This is simply due to liability reasons. > > It's not beyond possibility that a troubled person would be advised by > someone via the resources at smoe.org and either continued on to harm > themselves or try to, and then have someone involved with that person > attempt to sue Jeff and/or the person/people who organized this effort. > > Be careful here. WELL...I totally agree here. I personally do not think that en e-mail list being set up as a vehicle through which we can field such cries for help and advice is a good idea. I know, as many of you do, that I have come past a lot of weirdo-ness and a lot of freaked-out-ness, and that people have helped me...big time...and man oh man, I feel eternally thankful... but at the same time, having some resource where the platform is an e-mail list is not a great idea, in my opinion. i know what it's like...when all you want is help...and youare almost addicted to the idea of getting it...and you are in need of your next fix of advice...so you read the emails that people send you...and you are so hungry for their words that you tend to forget that they're plain black and white letters written on some screen and contained in some box called a computer... ...and you start applying people's voices to that--and hidden meanings to words--and things get so so so easily distorted. and...i have found...with me, with friends of mine, that all too often something like a simple cry for help goes haywire...cuz the truth of the matter is, there's no substitution to a warm voice or to hugging arms--or a shoulder to cry on-- i thinkthat it's important, however, to provide lists of posible resouces to people who *do* need help. i feel that we, of course, should lend our ears and our shoulders to each other, just as we have, tim and tim again, given beautiful pieces of our hearts to each other. however, there are really efficient ways to do this...how about we organize something with EDAs who can commit themselves to helping each other in these types of ways where, on certain days of the year, something is set up regionally--like a sort of training type of thing...something that can help us enable ourselves to really be able to pick up a ringing phone and *listen* to what the person is really saying...and know how to help the person... *or* my other idea is to make regional committees (if we can organize ouselves the way that's necessary) to heavily research different types of outreach & support groups that steer more towards an EDA sense of kindness and gentility...and offer those as resources for troubled people. regardless of what sorts of ideas are prsented, this is a *really* difficult thing to contemplate....from all ends. those people who really need the help...well, there are many issues there. it's hard to ask fomr help...it's hard to know who to trust...no matter how trusting your normal nature may be. and it's hard to open *yourself* enough to find solace in the help that is shared from others. and it's really easy to take offense when someone doesn't give you the type of support--moral and verbal--that you are looking for...or when someone can't read your mind to understand the things you want to verbalize but can't quite verbalize. and, well, it's really hard from the person whose help or advice is sought. it's really difficult to know if what you said really rung true...it's hard to know what t osay to really hit the person where it's needed the most. and it's hard ot hang up the phone or leave the ocnversation...and wonder if you were able to provide this soul with something to think about & nurture--or if you gave words that will lead the person to some horrible edge of sorts... it's really emotional...and it's the type of thing where there is no right and wrong beyond what rings as a personal truth and what comes along with really knowing how to listen to someone...(which trust me is not easy...) so i don't know what else to say. i just wanted to share what was floating in my head... thanks for reading. stephanie ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #209 **********************************