From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #197 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, September 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: someone pleeeeaase help me pleeeaaase [CLEARVVATR@aol.com] Re: ET: someone pleeeeaase help me pleeeaaase ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] Re: ET: Re: Top 10 cds [WaIIfI0wer@aol.com] ET: Top 10 CD's [Hotbod2472@aol.com] ET: heather nova ra [kara garbe ] Re: ET: abuse topic [Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:14:52 EDT From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: ET: someone pleeeeaase help me pleeeaaase hey there angels, well, here's the thing. i'm supposed to choose three of my favorite authors/poets for my AP American Literature class. i choose three of my favs but in the end my english teacher chooses one of those three for me (this is so a buncha ppl won't have the same person). he gave us a long list of authors/poets to choose from and he's also giving us the opportunity to choose authors/poets who are not on the list. we are required to read three complete works by the chosen author/poet and we cannot change our person once we have he or she assigned to us. finally, the question: i have no idea who to choose and it's really important of me to choose an author that i'll enjoy since i'll be doing several evaluations and essays on this author/poet throughout the year. i wish i could bullsh*t my way through but definitely can't afford to this year and especially with this class. if ANY of you angels can help me that would be sooo cool of you. please send your responses/inputs to me AS SOON AS POSSIBLE 'cause i have to turn in my choices by tues. i know, i know, i messed up by waiting until the last minute to research, but hey that's us procrastinating high schoolers for ya. one more thing...i would much rather read a novel or somethin' like that than poetry. so if you can i'd like to get your responses/inputs on authors only. geez, i'm so demanding...sorry about that :) here are the authors/poets (and remember, you can always tell me about a writer that you like): - -gloria naylor -margaret atwood - -toni morrison -alice walker - -maya angelou -eudora welty - -rudolfo a. anaya -emily bronte - -charlotte bronte -kate chopin - -sarah orne jewett -phillis wheatley's poetry - -anne bradestreet -lucille clifton's poetry - -henry james -saul bellow - -arthur miller -tennessee williams - -upton sinclair -emily dickinson's poetry - -jack london -w.e.b. dubois (essays) - -gertrude stein -t.s eliot - -f. scott fitzgerald -ernest hemingway - -bernard malamud -ralph ellison - -james baldwin -claude mckay - -john steinbeck -joyce carol oates - -flannery o'connor -john barth - -john updike -norman mailer - -phillip roth -eugene o'neil - -edna st. vincent millay -kurt vonnegut - -stephen crane -edgar allen poe - -larry mcmurty -d.h. lawerence - -william faulkner -tom robbins there it is! again, any help at all will be appreciated. thanks so much! love, jen "the kookybaka tennis angel" ~this living shouldn't be called living 'cause~ ~it's really only half alive-jewel~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:14:21 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: someone pleeeeaase help me pleeeaaase At 03:14 AM 9/14/98 EDT, CLEARVVATR@aol.com wrote: >here are the authors/poets (and remember, you can always tell me about a >writer that you like): >-arthur miller -tennessee williams >-upton sinclair -emily dickinson's poetry >-jack london -w.e.b. dubois (essays) >-t.s eliot -ernest hemingway >-john steinbeck -d.h. lawerence >-stephen crane -edgar allen poe Well, Jen...These are the ones I know of from that list. I personally enjoy Poe, Steinbeck and It's a toss-up between London and Lawrence. Jack London had some pretty good works and D.H. Lawrence could write up a tear or two himself as well....But at least now you have your list narrowed down for you :) What do you all think about this list, EDA-thoughts? :) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com "They Say the Sea is Cold but contains the hottest blood of All" - D.H. Lawrence, "Whales Weep Not" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:45:54 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: FWD: Re: ET: someone pleeeeaase help me pleeeaaase I forgot to include the list in this mail... if anybody has any comments on/about my comments, please feel free to add to them. CC: Jen's email, too, if you think she should see your comments. :) >> Jen writes: Hi Jen, >-maya angelou As far as poetry goes, I've always enjoyed hers. >-kurt vonnegut I've always enjoyed his books. Cat's Cradle, Player Piano, and the Sirens of Titan were all interesting books. >-stephen crane I've only read one of his books (The Red Badge of Courage), but I have seen a couple poems he wrote, and they were pretty good. The book was all right, too. As far as who I would choose, you might want to consider Robert Frost's poetry, as well. He writes primarily nature-themed poetry, you've probably heard at least one of the following poems at some point: Fire and Ice, The Road Not Taken, Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening, or Nothing Gold Can Stay. He's always been one of my personal favorites. Also, you may want to consider Pablo Neruda's poetry. I've read some of his stuff, at the urging of Jamie (angeljlb96@aol.com), who's also on the eda-thoughts list, and enjoyed what I *have* read. If you want more information on him, she may be the one to contact, as she can probably tell you more about Neruda's poetry than I can. The poems of his that I've read, while limited in number, have been consistently good. They seemed to mostly deal with love, and lost love. At least the ones that I read did. Hope this helps a little. In order or preference, if I had to choose 3, I'd probably pick Vonnegut first (the books are always easier to write a five-page essay on... :), then Frost, then probably Neruda. Angelou & Crane don't really do as much for me as the other three, although they also may be worth investigating. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I'm awkward, and I'm too polite, and I want two stars for arms like Orion, I could breathe in, and breathe in, and breathe out... If I could only lose myself, I would lose myself in you..." ---(Heather Nova, "Truth and Bone")--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:58:56 -0500 From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: ET: a few poems angels~ I have a few poems today. I've been feeling kinda jammed when it comes to writing, but this morning I was going through past digests, and I got inspired, I guess. :) I hope everyone's doing well. I'm kinda in a grey area right now, but we'll see what happens. I'm getting busier with school, which is good, only because it's nice to be occupied with *something*. But you all don't want to hear my ramblings ~ later.. forever me, Naomi the unknown angel comments, as always, are much appreciated~ - --- hush just hold me, my love stay with me awhile hush don't tell me of your commitments or all the things you should be doing stop put those things on the shelf you'll come back to them in due time just kiss me, and let me breath your breath nothing else matters not now not when you're here, with me. 9-13-98 - --- wings you lost your wings 20 miles back woke up, mid-dream reality shook them loose as time tugged them off so swift they were in their actions that you didn't notice your loss till finally you look down to see your feet planted firmly, on the ground. going back, you find them they're battered and torn, no longer clean and white, but they're wings nonetheless; you were meant, to fly. 9.9.98 1:04am - --- "Everything seems an illusion, echoing around my brain, Trapped in a vast seclusion, where the images fall like rain" ~Alana Davis" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:41:26 EDT From: WaIIfI0wer@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: Top 10 cds Romeantic@hotmail.com writes: << And what's with Every Breath You Take by The Police... as I know there isn't an album by that name... as far as I know that song is on Syncronicity (1983)! >> The whole title is "Every Breath You Take : The Classics." It is a collection of their hits. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:10:42 EDT From: Hotbod2472@aol.com Subject: ET: Top 10 CD's Here's my favorite CD's Silence-Tara MacLean Jagged Little Pill-Alanis Morissette Makavelie 3.5-Tupac Metallica-Metallica Left of the Middle-Natalie Imbrugulia Anything by Jewel Yourself or Someone Like You-Matchbox 20 How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today-Suicidal Tendancies Painted Desert Serenade-Joshua Kadison Those are the ones that I can think of right now and I'm sure there are many more.......have a wonderful day. Theresa The Analytical Angel Her skin is like a seashell, You listen to her soul like an old time radio show ~JK~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:40:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: ET: heather nova ra you guys are really getting me intrigued about hearther nova. does anyone have any RA or mp3 files of her songs that you could send me? please email me privately. thanks! Kara _____________________________________________________ "We are each of us angels, with just one wing, and we can only fly embracing each other." --Liciano de Crescenzo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:56:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: Re: ET: abuse topic - --WebTV-Mail-1689805910-208 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Ay-yi-yi! I agree with some of what you say and disagree with a little bit. First off, for refrence, I have taken tae kwon do and studied kick-boxing and basic self defense. I know that you should go for the groin, eyes, and ears. I have been jumped by a 19 year old because I told on her little brother, that he was cheating on the Minnesota Grad Standards tests. She ended up with a dislocated shoulder and 8 stiches on her cheekbone. I had very little time to react. Like Kev said, if someone wants to hurt you, they will. BUT, if you can react quick enough, they won't hurt you too bad. Ok, I give up trying to explain myself. I know when I read this again that it won't make any sense. Oh well! Maggie PS: Remember: Groin, eyes, and ears, oh my! - --WebTV-Mail-1689805910-208 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id PAA29667; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siren.shore.net (siren.shore.net [207.244.124.5]) by mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id PAA27548; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0zGUzh-0003jx-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:08:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id RAA19402; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:07:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id RAA19383 for eda-thoughts-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net ([209.112.59.66]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id RAA19377 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpc47245 (cpc47245.us.dg.com [128.221.47.245]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01256; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:05:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net) Message-ID: <00dd01bddb6c$4b4a18a0$f52fdd80@cpc47245.webo.dg.com> From: "Kevin Pease" To: , , "Scott - E Sykes" Subject: Re: ET: abuse topic Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-eda-thoughts@smoe.org Precedence: bulk >> Scott - E Sykes writes: >I'm sorry, i have to disagree! I am 100% equal any given woman. I may >be stronger but that's not the case. An admirable thought, but I hope it's not true. 100% equal would mean you *are* a woman. :) There are physiological and psychological differences between men and women, like it or not. We are not 100% equal to each other, no matter how hard you try to be. These differences don't make either gender superior or inferior, but they do make us *different*. The "average" woman is shorter and weaker than the "average" man... the "average" man isn't as in tune with his emotions & isn't as good at problem solving & resolution as the "average" woman is... do either of these things make one gender superior to the other? Nope. >Knowledge is power. If i was a >little weakling with 0.9995% muscle i could still win a fight! It's as >simple as taking a couple classes to defend yourself! No, it's not, it really isn't. Trust me... I'm 6'1" tall... and I'm not a small guy by any stretch of the imagination. About 3 years ago (4 days before my 21st birthday... happy birthday to me... :), I got jumped leaving the store I worked at. The guy who attacked me looked like a 5'4 heroin addict with the mange... I had a definite size advantage over him, and I had learned a few self-defense/hand-to-hand combat things through Army ROTC, so it's not like I didn't have a bit of knowledge about defending myself, either. He still managed to take $3600 of my store's money, and send me to the hospital to get 6 or 8 stitches in my hand. (Luckily, it was ONLY my hand... he was coming around from behind me at my throat when I saw the blade of the knife and was able to grab it.) Now, as I said... I had the knowledge, and I'm certainly not a weak or small guy... I still got my ass kicked. If somebody's really intent on doing harm to you, they're going to do harm to you. It's not as easy as just taking a class and opening up on someone with some kung fu moves... >I totally agree >that it is hard for a woman in a committed relationship to say no or get >out but it is very possible! If you can say See ya then you can get out. And if she says "Bye, see you later," you don't think that he'd try to hurt her? You don't think she knows this? Scott, you *really* should do a little research before you say things like this. In some cases, guys have gone so far as to hunt down the woman across the country, just so they can find her again... and in most cases like that, she's *lucky* if she *just* gets beaten, and not killed or maimed. It is *very* hard for a woman in an abusive relationship to get out... if it was that easy, do you think we'd still be seeing these problems? There's a lot of psychological "stuff" going on in the background, and it's *never* clear cut & black and white, as you seem to believe. >I truly believe as well that a guy can't understand the female point of >view but it's hard for us to see that you just can't get up and leave. > I think that a guy can never be put in a girl's and vice versa. But if >you have the power in your mind to make your own decisions rather than >them be made for you, then anything is possible! Again, an admirable ideal, but I don't think you have any concept of what these relationships are truly like. I really don't, either, but I have learned what they *can* be like, and I've seen what they *can* be like. It's not pretty, and it's not easy. To say that it's as simple as "getting up and leaving" shows that you don't really know how hard it is for a woman in a relationship like this to reach that point where she decides to get up and leave. I'll agree with your idealism... yes, women in these relationships SHOULD get up and leave, and guys who do this SHOULD be strung up in the town square... but it's a lot easier said than done, my friend. Go to your bookstore and check out some of the books on the topic... it'll be a real eye-opener. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- - --WebTV-Mail-1689805910-208-- ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #197 **********************************