From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #184 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Poetry. [Summer Burton ] Re: ET: Re: stuff ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: love ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: i just might get the hang of writing songs ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 01:50:28 -0500 From: Summer Burton Subject: ET: Poetry. Whoohoo, I wrote something after this guy I'm supposed to be friends (used to be more...) was ignoring me all day today.. I never wrote anything about him, I always got blocked cause it's one of those weird complicated situations. I decided to post this anyway, although I don't think it's a great poem, it kind of expresses my feelings about the whole thing... You are such an angel I've wanted you I've needed you it's not fair. I thought you actually saw me as crazysexycool I thought for once someone WANTED me even if it couldn't have been real. So what happened to those days? When you stopped by my place and we stayed up and talked all hours of the day What happened to those days When you told me I was perfect that you couldn't understand why the other boys don't see it But now you ignore me too and I'm left all by myself don't you know I cry for you I cried when you left Once you were sad for me You wanted me to be happy now you're the one that I think about you're the one that makes me lonely. - -Summer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:41:40 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: stuff >> Jamie writes: >I RESENT THAT!!!!! It's more like liquid heat, gumbo, and nutrea rats... :) Sorry! :) As a casual observer, my experience of Louisiana was: Heat (yes!!), etouffe (good, but a bit spicy), crawfish (why in god's name would you eat something that's nicknamed "mudbug"? I don't know... they were pretty tasty, though. :), and alligators. (Pretty funky...:) I didn't try the gumbo, and I didn't see a nutrea rat. :) Cut me some slack here, I was only there for Thursday, Friday, Sunday, and Monday. :) Saturday, we went over to Dallas (land of H. Ross Perot, and Steakhouses), so I wasn't even in Louisiana for the whole time I was down there. :) Next time, I'll give the gumbo a shot. :) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:49:59 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... >> Jamie writes: >1) Kevin dear, I think you should write a poem for us. Ahem. "There once was a man from Nantucket..." :) Like I already told you, I'll try to go out and get all inspired and stuff. But don't expect good, or fast, results. :) >2) I think we should all jump Kevin for coming all the way to Looziana and NOT >MENTIONING TO ME HE WAS COMING....and NOT COMING TO SEE ME!!!! >whore....er, I mean slut. Jump me! Jump me! I've been a bad - err... sorry. :) I guess now I'll just have to make a special trip to New Orleans. :) In my own defense, though... I was sort of a few hours from New Orleans, being up in Shreveport, and I didn't have a car at my disposal. :) I'm sorry, mea culpa, my bad, I'm a horrible, rotten person. :) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:54:52 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #182 >> Sam writes: >>Jamie wrote: >>1) Kevin dear, I think you should write a poem for us. >Hey! YEAAAAH! Kevin! Why don't ya!!!!!!!! Erm... "I suck at it" strikes me as a good reason to not write a poem. :) I will give it the old college try, though, if it will make you two feel better. And then we can put to rest this foolish notion of me *actually* being able to write poetry. :) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:27:39 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... In a message dated 98-09-09 02:54:59 EDT, you write: << Jump me! Jump me! I've been a bad - err... sorry. :) I guess now I'll just have to make a special trip to New Orleans. :) In my own defense, though... I was sort of a few hours from New Orleans, being up in Shreveport, and I didn't have a car at my disposal. :) I'm sorry, mea culpa, my bad, I'm a horrible, rotten person. :) >> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH! anyway...it's okay, Kev....I SUPPOSE I can forgive you. Nest time you come all the way down from freaking Massachusetts, I'll remember to kick your ass for it. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:47:14 PDT From: "Sarai Ambert" Subject: ET: I want out I want to get out of the eda list. Sarai ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:05:27 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: love kara garbe wrote: > ah, i have to defend myself! ok, here goes. ;-) Glad you did!!! ;)) > the feeling itself is meaningful of course; but the word alone does > little to describe that feeling, since everyone feels something > different when they say "love"... i gave those examples because i > was trying to illustrate how those are all different feelings but > may all be called love. of course if someone says "i love you" to > me i don't blow it off; but i know that each person i've heard > those words from has meant a different thing, so in that respect, > those three words alone don't tell me how they feel. that's what i > meant by "meaningless." We don't use word love to describe somebody how we feelbecause it really isn't a describing word... but with the word love we can tell others that they mean a lot to us, that they are important... it may not say in what way or to what extent, but the word itself is powerful enough to have a big meaning! No matter who uses it (assuming that they are being honest), it still means something important. That's all I have to say on that, if you still disagree so be it, we look at it differently and it's OK... it's just about presenting our opinion and backing it up the best we can. > sorry, i phrased that badly, i really just meant that just becuase > you've loved once already, that doesn't make your second, third, or > fiftieth "love" more true, or less strong, by virtue of the fact > that you've had other loves. If you put it that way... duh! :)) > you will remember, yes, but i know that i wouldn't say i was "in > love" with an ex boyfriend. in that respect, i think you fall out of > love... if i say i'm in love with someone, then it means that he's > the one person in the world i want to be with... i don't think that > at one moment i could be in love with more than one person, which > follows that i fall out of love. but again it's just the word > choice... maybe we mean different things by being in love... I didn't just mean you'll remember... feelings also remain... but Ihave to agree with this anyway... it was just an expression misunderstanding... yes the difference between "love" and "in love"... yes I also have no reason to believe that you can actually be "in love" with two people at the same time... however you can love numerous people regardless of what they are (were) to you. > and, also being young and eternally optimistic and idealistic, i > would say that yes, it is definitely happy togetherness!! Yes... so I would love to believe... and there's nothing in theworld that I wish more for than that if you're "made" for somebody and you meet them that everything will be happiness from then on... but unfortunately I belive that destiny is bendable. Meaning that our choices can shift it from left to right... and maybe I could mention Ernest Hemingway... did you see the movie Love & War with Sandra Bullock and Chris O'Donnel. I think that is after a true story of Ernest's young life... and it is such a beautiful movie and yet a movie that delivered so much pain into me... that kinda puts a questionmark beside the "fact" that you are to be together with the one who was meant for you, no matter what happens... I recommend it... although I doubt everybody would find this movie nearly as good as I did. Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You look so fine I wanna break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:17:49 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... >> Jamie writes: >AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH! anyway...it's okay, Kev....I SUPPOSE I can forgive >you. Nest time you come all the way down from freaking Massachusetts, I'll >remember to kick your ass for it. Oh yeah? Why don't you come up here and kick my ass? Bring the noise, baby. :) (Actually, I feel really secure, knowing that there's about 1500 miles separating us. Nothing brings out courage like distance. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:29:52 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: Re: thee gooddancer/baddancer HEY YALL! About all this dancing stuff... Kevin you and I are too much alike it's scarry - I'm only judging from the things you said... and this dancing thing is (well was) one of them... there was a period (teenage years) where there was absolutely no way one could drag me on the dance floor... cause I hadn't got a clue about dancing... until one day I looked at the dancefloor half full with people I know and who were mostly drunk and were just like whatever-that-was-it-had-little-to-do-with-dancing on the there... and I say well i can do that sober!!! So i went there and really had fun... I was about 17... since then I so loosened up - if I get a chance I'll go dancing... or whatever one would call that... I simply don't care what one would think of me... it's just for fun... the problem is getting me off the floor - I usually leave after 1-3 hours cause I'm thirsty... if it's sooner then it's cause I stepped on too many toes!!! *LOL* And Kevin really... like Sue said... lose the funky chicken on the back thing... and you might feel a little bit better!!! *LMAO* - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You look so fine I wanna break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:17:10 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: more on the love thing kara garbe wrote: > So I'm 19 and consider myself something of a liberal but apparently > i'm incredibly old fashioned... i firmly believe that the > "meaningful kind of love" should come before the "passionate > stuff". I don't understand how anyone could ever make love to > someone with whom they didn't share a deep and meaningful bond... > and i don't think you can gamble on the fact that the hot romance > you have going on now will one day mature into something > meaningful, although i'm not trying to say that it can't. > > i was reading parts of "reviving ophelia" the other day and the > author spoke of girls who had been in such bad relationships that > their ideal qualities in a boyfriend were things like, "he spends > money on me, taking me to nice places like mcdonald's" and "he > tells me that he likes me". while i hope that the experiences of > people on here haven't been so bad that they'd think that, i > think that still the same message is needed: that you can find > something meaningful at a young age. i'm 19 and i talk to my > boyfriend about everything... deaths i've experienced, self-hatred, > self-destructiveness, and all the other things that eat at my > soul... i've cried to him and he's cried to me, he's seen me at my > worst and at my best... and he knew me inside out before we ever > even kissed. he gives me comfort even as i'm just starting to > realize that i need it, because he realizes what i'm feeling even > as i am. you don't have to have a relationship that lacks a deep > emotional connection; you don't have to settle for less than what > you want for forever. you don't have to think "i'm too young to > have that kind of relationship, the kind that has the potential to > last forever" and you don't have to be with someone who gives you > less than what you need. > > Kara As religious people like to say: AMEN TO THAT!!!! That's about what I wanted to say!! *lol* Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You look so fine I wanna break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:33:12 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: i just might get the hang of writing songs Charlie, Cob & the GoA wrote: > Angels, > > Well, it's not much, but it's something. (I swear though that I stole one > of the lines from someone...someone's poem, from Jewel, maybe even myself!) > > Sam > the ? angel > > The La-La Song > sm Sept 8 98 > > Yesterday I was was walking down the street > La La La > Thinking about flowers & onion rings > da-da-da-do-da > Today's sunshine, yesterday was rain > le-la-la-na-na > There's an o-so-chic in a belly chain > > Well all the trees are talking > about the trees that are gone > da-da-da da-la-da > This is the la-la song > > A cop yells out, do what's true > na-na-na-da a-do-ie > You were there, living, breathing and dying too > a-do-a-do-da > The days are all one of a kind > le-li-le-li-la-la > and you're still in my mind > you're still in my mind > > Well all the trees are talking > about the trees that are gone > da-da-da da-la-da > This is the la-la song > This is the la-la song > > moonsong@ix.netcom.com *LMAO* Well bite me in the ass and call me perverted but this is the most excellent piece of Song Writing I have read in a loooong time... last minute or so!!! Keep it up Sam!! Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You look so fine I wanna break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:31:17 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: thee gooddancer/baddancer >> Dr. RomeAntic writes: >About all this dancing stuff... Kevin you and I are too much alike it's scary - I'm >only judging from the things you said... and this dancing thing is (well was) one of >them... there was a period (teenage years) where there was absolutely no way one could >[...] >fun... the problem is getting me off the floor - I usually leave after 1-3 hours cause >I'm thirsty... if it's sooner then it's cause I stepped on too many toes!!! *LOL* Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it, and I'll get out there and do it... I just know I'm no good at it, and probably look remarkably foolish. :) Lessons may, with time, ease the pain, though. :) >And Kevin really... like Sue said... lose the funky chicken on the back thing... and >you might feel a little bit better!!! *LMAO* Hey, that's the only thing I do well... I like to think it's my specialty. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:53:38 PDT From: "ws r" Subject: ET:Re:my two cents on Re: thee question HEy people, > I'm not saying they won't, but... well, the best way I can think of to>describe it is that I think it tends to be a sort of "rebound" effect... a>lot of people that get into relationships (normal or otherwise) fresh out of>another relationship (normal or otherwise) end up being very unhappy with>the new relationship at some point, because their emotions are confused &>mixed up. Yes, it's possible that they could handle it... and it's entirely>possible that they'd even welcome it. I think it would be a better idea to>help a battered woman become more independent, though, rather than encourage>her to get straight into another "love" relationship... she definitely needs>friends, but I think getting into another relationship straightaway is>probably not the best thing, in the long run, for the woman. Oh, well I guess if you put it that way, then I totally agree with you, "rebound" relationships can be bad, no matter who you are. > I know I could, and I know anybody else is capable of it, as well... and>I'm sorry if I made it sound like I believed that battered women were>psychos, that truly wasn't what I meant. However, I would say that people>who get into relationships like these *are* imbalanced in a mental way, and>*do* need some time "alone" (i.e., not in a relationship), to learn to be>independent, and to learn to adjust to having things the way they want to>have them. (Note - I'm not saying "imbalanced" in a "they're sick" sense...>I'm saying that, their minds have been messed with for so long, to expect>that they'd adjust overnight I think is an unrealistic expectation... their>minds are off-balance, and need some time to get things under control.) I >wouldn't expect anybody to adjust to a change like that in a short period of>time, and that's basically the reason I say forcing someone into a new>relationship right away isn't such a hot idea. I could be wrong, but I>really think that friendship & support is more important at that point. WEll, basically, I agree. See, when I said you should just smile at them and show them there are good people out there, I didn't mean go out and try to pick 'em up for yourself. I think when you smile at them it's kinda like giving support, and showing you care. Not showing them how cute you look when you smile! "Look, support and happiness is yonder approaching." Ah, basically I think were agreeing anyway... > This is my point... to approach someone that you really like, who's in>an abusive relationship, and say, "Hey, he's all wrong for you, I'd be much>better... dump the jerk..." this is really what I'm talking about. That,>to me, is approaching it with selfish motivations, and will lead to a lot of>frustration, and probably pain. Of course! But remember, I'm not saying go out and find them a new boyfriend, just show them that there are better people out there... Besides, just cuz you might be cute when you smile doesn't mean that the abused lady's gonna jump right for you anyway, she's already learned that what's going on behind someone's cheery grin may not be what it seems anyway...She'd probably be cautious, especially if she just finished freeing herself and is now single again. > > Don't expect me to yell at you for "continuous blabbing..." that's my>trademark here... :) I like hearing what you (and everybody else) have to>say, and I'm certainly not going to get mad because you want to say>something. Keep it up, and don't be sorry! :) Heheh, now you'll be sorry....you just opened the door, remember folks, this was the invitation right here...(Joke) But thanks, It's nice to know people are listening... Sue "...If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche Beyond good and evil "And I don't want the world to see me, cuz I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "The meeting of twopersonalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: If there is any interaction, both are transformed." -C.G. Jung ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #184 **********************************