From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #182 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: i just might get the hang of writing songs [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (C] ET:Re:my two cents on Re: thee question ["ws r" ] ET: just a poem ["Naomi Vaughn" ] Re: ET: abuse topic ["ws r" ] Re: ET:list topic ["ws r" ] ET: apology [sesykes@juno.com (Scott - E Sykes)] Re: ET: rollin' rollin' rollin', keep it rollin' [Angeljlb96@aol.com] Re: ET: rollin' rollin' rollin', keep it rollin' [Angeljlb96@aol.com] Re: ET: Re: stuff [Angeljlb96@aol.com] Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... [Angeljlb96@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:22:42 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cob & the GoA) Subject: ET: i just might get the hang of writing songs Angels, Well, it's not much, but it's something. (I swear though that I stole one of the lines from someone...someone's poem, from Jewel, maybe even myself!) Sam the ? angel The La-La Song sm Sept 8 98 Yesterday I was was walking down the street La La La Thinking about flowers & onion rings da-da-da-do-da Today's sunshine, yesterday was rain le-la-la-na-na There's an o-so-chic in a belly chain Well all the trees are talking about the trees that are gone da-da-da da-la-da This is the la-la song A cop yells out, do what's true na-na-na-da a-do-ie You were there, living, breathing and dying too a-do-a-do-da The days are all one of a kind le-li-le-li-la-la and you're still in my mind you're still in my mind Well all the trees are talking about the trees that are gone da-da-da da-la-da This is the la-la song This is the la-la song moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:58:39 PDT From: "ws r" Subject: ET:Re:my two cents on Re: thee question Hello every one, I geuss I still have some more to say on this topic, if your bored, just delete K? > To try to take someone out of a>relationship like that and immediately thrust them into another>relationship, or try to get them into another relationship... that's just>setting them up for failure and disappointment. They don't know what a>"normal" relationship is like, and they don't know what they want or need in>a relationship, which makes them completely dependent again, but in a>different way. I think that this is the wrong perspective to take on this kind of situation. Just because they aren't in a good relationship doesn't mean they wont be able to handle the transition to one. Personally, I'd see it as more of a breath of freash air. Sanity returned, you know? Like, how wonderful do you think it would be for them to know that there are people out there who will love them and not hurt them? These are battered women, not psychos. They aren't imballenced, they're scared. They've had things working against them for perhaps all their lives, perhaps just recently. But that doesn't mean they couldn't adjust. I think I could. Don't you think you could? >The best way to avoid this is to be a friend, not to try to>steal someone's girlfriend or boyfriend because you'll "treat them better". >Approaching it with that philosophy, you're already slanting the >relationship towards a parental/child dependent sort of relationship, which>isn't all that different from the relationship you're trying to "help" the>person out of. Yes. And no, because you see it as wrong and you want to help does not make you bad. If your using mind control, then yes, your a dirty bastard who only wants something for your own means. BUt if you're in love with them, or even just care, then wouldn't the urge to better that person be almost natural? Not to tell them what to think next, but to bring them to a realisation? Do you think that helping them would just be to justify a good persons needs? I hope not, but perhaps, and in that case, then everyone really IS a manipulitive jerk in the long run eh? > I guess what it boils down to is this: If your motivation is to help>the other person (and not yourself), don't pitch yourself as a "low-fat,>healthy alternative to that jerk!"... pitch yourself as a *friend*, who>cares, and wants to help, period. Now that's what I mean Sorry for continuous blabbing Sue "...If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche Beyond good and evil "And I don't want the world to see me, cuz I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "The meeting of twopersonalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: If there is any interaction, both are transformed." -C.G. Jung ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:06:15 -0700 From: "Naomi Vaughn" Subject: ET: just a poem angels~ just a poem tonight. comments are great. I hope you all are well.. as always, Naomi the unknown angel uin# 10320304 - --- talking in circles if there is no desire in your heart for these things to take form than it serves no purpose for me to wish it so. I can hope in vain, that you love me I can continue to believe you really did care; but nothing would ever come of it. I try and explain it away, to bring some rational reasoning to this, to ease this pain that comes so swiftly; I saw only what I wanted to see, heard only what my ears longed for none of it was real never was, never will be. I tell myself that perhaps, if I'd just been a little better or, a little stronger, this never would have happened. I wonder, how I could have misunderstood, 2 full months of my life; how I could have seen something, that was never really there. I try to understand, why I let this happen. but I understand now, that the fault is not mine nor is it totally in your possession for though you did make this out to be something more than it was I never would have got wrapped up in it if I hadn't wanted it to some extent. so, after talking myself back to my feet, one question still remains to be answered: what now? 9.6.98 - --- "Did you know when you go it's the perfect ending, to the bad day I was just beginning. When you go all I know, is you're my favorite mistake." ~Sheryl Crow Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:06:48 PDT From: "ws r" Subject: Re: ET: abuse topic Hi there, Just incase anyone missed Sams post, here's some of the parts here again, if they could be considered notes from a text on the subject, this is the part I would have hi-lighted, blown up and stuck up on my wall. Wow Sam. Sometimes you really got a hold on things...I don't think it could really be said better! Sue ">I don't think that anyone has any right to judge a battered woman. You>don't know the emotional states involved. Self defense is a great idea,>but other things are often involved with these women here. I mean, if they>have kids, they often don't want to fight in front of the wide-eyed>innocent little two year old. With the emotional issues involved and things at stake, these>women feel trapped, and they are, at least from their standpoint. >I believe that "just say no" bullshit is exactly that--bullshit--and so is>"don't let it happen to you." >Precautions and taking self-defense is a very good idea but seriously, how>many girls take karate because they think they'll marry an abuser? I agree>that abused women SHOULD call friends, police, FBI, but it's the emotional>ties and the threats that he will find her that keep her scared. We really>have no place to say what they should and shouldn't do until we are in >exactly their position. " -Sam the ? angel "...If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche Beyond good and evil "And I don't want the world to see me, cuz I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "The meeting of twopersonalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: If there is any interaction, both are transformed." -C.G. Jung ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:33:15 PDT From: "ws r" Subject: Re: ET:list topic My 2 cents: >>I wanted to end this because it is a Jewel list and we've kinda veered of>>course of the list. > >I thought this was a THOUGHTS list???? me too... Sue "...If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche Beyond good and evil "And I don't want the world to see me, cuz I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "The meeting of twopersonalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: If there is any interaction, both are transformed." -C.G. Jung ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:34:45 -0500 From: sesykes@juno.com (Scott - E Sykes) Subject: ET: apology I just wanted to apologize to the list. I inquired to Mike about a list that was to be made and i miss understood his words and thought it was thoughts in the Jewel topic. And so i shall say... Let the words fly, make the hate die, and the thoughts kiss the sky! ** Scott S.** -Big Sexy Angel "MISPLACED HATE MAKES DISGRACED RACES!" -Tupac Shakur R.I.P _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:41:37 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: rollin' rollin' rollin', keep it rollin' In a message dated 9/7/98 4:02:59 PM Central Daylight Time, moonsong@ix.netcom.com writes: << Woke up today to find you'd changed your mind >> I lost my Emily.... Jamie =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:43:59 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: rollin' rollin' rollin', keep it rollin' In a message dated 9/7/98 4:02:59 PM Central Daylight Time, moonsong@ix.netcom.com writes: << i think i imagined that you might miss me >> I really liked the imagery in this one Sam =) Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:54:50 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: stuff In a message dated 9/7/98 7:49:00 PM Central Daylight Time, kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net writes: << (Land of heat, etouffe, and alligators... :) >> I RESENT THAT!!!!! It's more like liquid heat, gumbo, and nutrea rats... :) Love, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:58:17 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: A couple poems (not mine)... In a message dated 9/7/98 9:18:09 PM Central Daylight Time, kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net writes: << Anyway, being poetically dis-inclined, I didn't write these poems. But I picked up a little monthly poetry magazine on the way to the airport last week, so I'd have something to read on the flight to Louisiana. >> 1) Kevin dear, I think you should write a poem for us. 2) I think we should all jump Kevin for coming all the way to Looziana and NOT MENTIONING TO ME HE WAS COMING....and NOT COMING TO SEE ME!!!! whore....er, I mean slut. Love, Jamie ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #182 **********************************