From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #164 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: How old are we? [Mike Connell ] ET: poem anyone? [Oblivia15@aol.com] Re: ET: How old are we? ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: Atittude / Sex taboo ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] Re: ET: attitude [kara garbe ] Re: ET: How old are we? ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] Re: ET: Atittude / Sex taboo [Mike Connell ] ET: :( [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: Day one of a new life for Jon [JonBoy911@aol.com] Re: ET: Atittude / Sex taboo ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: Re: On 80's music... ["Kevin Pease" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:57:47 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: ET: How old are we? Holly wrote: >alright mike i wil lbare you that but how old are the people on the list. >if you feel you are the youngest email me and tell me i am 14. I am one of the oldest on the lists. On the Jewel list, we had a survey last winer. Out of the 385 who replied (a GOOD amount of replies), the average age was 16. (which obviously means there are more than a few folks in the 10 to 16 year bracket, and I have to believe the EDA-thoughts average is around the same...certainly under 18) Mike :-)  : \    / :                    -- o -- :                      /    \ :                             .---.           .---. :                           /      \  @    /      \ :                         / / /     \(   ) /    \ \  \ :                       //////  /    '     `       --\\\\ :                     / /   /  / :         :   --\  \  \ \ :                    //  / /   /   /`     \     --\\ \   \\ :                  / /   /  /  / /  . .  . \ \  \    \   \ \                     We are everyday angels. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:12:31 EDT From: Oblivia15@aol.com Subject: ET: poem anyone? Hullo again.... It's me and I just finished a poem... I'm quite proud of it and I decided that I want you all to be the first to hear it... =0) I hope you all like it. Feedback is welcome, but please don't feel obligated... Love you all..... Enjoy! I can't picture us making love We don't have moments like that anymore If I try to think about the way you used to look in my eyes and say "I love you," the memory struggles to form, then gives up and sinks back into the depths of my mind. We used to look like a couple. We used to think as one. Now I think alone.... and wonder what happened to the other half of my fairytale. We used to hang on every word and cling to each other's eyes with our own. Now it's: "Hello, how are you? Yeah, I love you too Gotta run, I'll catch you another time" But what if there wasn't another time? Would we have regrets? Would we take back what we're doing now and change? Or would we accept it as it is? We used to love....... but now I think we like....... Jackie Vaughn August 31, 1998 Thanx for listening/reading....... Love Hugs and Faerie Dust!!! Jackie Stage Angel AOL Screen Name: Oblivia15 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:35:24 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: How old are we? >> Mike Connell writes: >[...] there are more than a few folks in the 10 to 16 year bracket, and I have >to believe the EDA-thoughts average is around the same...certainly under >18) I'd say that sounds pretty accurate... I'm 23 (yeah, I know... and I act like I'm 13... :), and I get the distinct impression that I'm one of the oldest people here... I'd guess the average age on the list to be around 15 or 16 or so, if I had to guess. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 01:55:52 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: ET: Atittude / Sex taboo Ok... so this Atittude thread: Well I'll be brief... I agree we should be ourselves around friends... we should feel comfortable and if we are happy we should share that happiness... if are sad... we shouldn't share the unhappiness... but a true friend will assure you that is OK, that they want to share your ups and downs with you... as one of the greatest men said... "It's no secret that a friend is the one who lets you help" > that's wonderful ideally... but what happens when you lack the will > to do that? when you don't know how to change how you feel? and > what about when circumstances don't warrant that attitude... when > everything is going wrong... isn't it false to just plaster on a > smile and pretend life is grand and perfect? don't you have to go > with both the highs and the lows in order to be true to yourself > and really work through everything that you experience? I agree with this... especially since this is how my life's been going pretty much all the time... and it made me the pesimist I am today... don't get me wrong... I still have big plans and dreams, but I'm not counting on anything until I get a good reason to. And if my life is crumbling down... if I feel like I'm stuck in the hole... I won't go around wearing a jolly face and amuze everybody (well excpet on a good day... sometimes I get inspired by a sun ray or a song that woke me up or little things like that). Granted... I'll live my tears for the comfort and isolation of my room... but we absolutely need to vent a little to somebody... it does feel better... and repressing everything when you're around people is bad in a long run. It's slowly killing you. I've been there too many times... OK that's it... Now to Mike's last post : I completely understand his point of view... though I can't say it's OK the things are like this... I didn't have a chance to read that article yet... will do later... Anyways... I know this may seem selfish... but since this list is about everyday people and everyday thoughts... we should be able to discuss everything that goes through us everyday... if it takes sending e-mails DIRECTLY to people you'd like to see the post that is "unsuitable" for the public posting that so it should be... BUT shouldn't we rather make this list open to all topics and rather restrict the subscribtion... like every one who want's to subscribe would be "warned" that anything goes here. Now I'm not saying that this should turn into some porn-posting forum or anything... I SINCERELY HOPE THIS AIN'T HAPPENING EVER CAUSE THEN I'D GET OFF... but since sex is an everyday topic there is no reason to ban it, apart from being too young or being uncomfortable with the topic or something... now even Mike didn't say sex is forbidden as long as it is wrapped up in good taste... hmmm... well I ain't smart here... Personally of course I'm comfortable with sex topic on any level (I can be as bold or descreet as the next), but if somebody doesn't like it and is offended by it should have long ago said something. I can respect everyone's views thoughts and conserns!!! Although I guess Mike is to be their spokesman and he took action, and like I said I appreciate what he did and understand. But through all I STRONGLY disagree only on 1 thing that Mike mentioned > (or worse) than the post I am referring to. (If this list was > restricted to 18 and over, things would be different) WHAT'S with this 18 and over... to me that is simply sick! I'm sorry... I don't see why somebody of 16 or 17 and 11 months is less fit to discuss sex... for god's sake... I know it's still like a totall law issue to be over 18 to be exposed to sex through media... but we ain't gonna post pics or movies or anything... ACTUALLY I doubt that even this post that Holly posted would ever make it as a huge thread, but that is beside the point. If someone can as much as type and has internet access can get to all kinds of porn... and believe me nobody would come to this list to for it.... oh but I missed the point right, we need to protect those who came here to escape from it... well... hmmmmmmmm... I suggested two options... I mean I CAN live without discussing sex with you guys publicly - I won't really feel deprived. What do you think??? P.S. One more thing... Holly I also have to agree with Mike... it is totally rude to quote a private post to you in your public posts, without consent that is... no matter what the topic... ... maybe that's OK for Jamie and Jon since they seem to have no secrets from us *LOL* - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You Look so fine I want to break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/ You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 -> THIS ALBUM KICKS ASS!!! Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:57:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: attitude On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:51:36 -0700 Naomi Vaughn wrote: > hey, I come out of lurking to give my line or two right quick. NAOMI!!!!! i miss you and your poetry! come back for more than a little line right quick and spew out some more of your beautiful lines for us!! (well, perhaps "spew" isn't the best word to pick for beautiful poetry, but you know what i mean ;-) love, Kara _____________________________________________________ "Selfishness and separation have led me to believe that the world is not my problem, the world is not my problem i am the world and you are the world" --live "10,000 years (peace is now)" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 02:03:13 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: How old are we? Kevin Pease wrote: > I'd say that sounds pretty accurate... I'm 23 (yeah, I know... and I act > like I'm 13... :), and I get the distinct impression that I'm one of the > oldest people here... I'd guess the average age on the list to be around 15 > or 16 or so, if I had to guess. > Uhmmmmmm... yeah... who'd guess I was 20... sometimes I act like I'm 35... and then like I'm Thleee... all Thlteeen... :)) But I think the averege is a bit higher than 16... of course I only got this feeling just from the people that posted... I don't know how many lurkers there are aged 5-10 going... cooy... they finayi stayted abouyt sess I've been waytin foy this foy monyths!-- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "I could be your see of sand, I could be your warmth of desire I could be your prayer of hope, I could be your gift of every day I could be your tide oh heaven, I could be a hint of what's to come I could be your ordinary, I could be the one I could be your blue eyed angel, I could be the storm before the calm I could be your secret plesure, I could be your well-wishing well I could be your breath of life, I could be your European dream I could be your ordinary, I could be the one" Donna Lewis / I Could Be The One / Blue Angel Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:04:32 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: ET: Atittude / Sex taboo Dr. RomeAntic wrote: >But through all I STRONGLY disagree only on 1 thing that Mike mentioned > >> (or worse) than the post I am referring to. (If this list was >> restricted to 18 and over, things would be different) > >WHAT'S with this 18 and over... to me that is simply sick! I'm sorry... >I don't see why somebody of 16 or 17 and 11 months is less fit to >discuss sex... for god's sake... Plain and simple. The laws of almost every state in the United States. Let's say we wanted to turn this list onto an open discussion of sex in addition to what we have now...a list where anything goes. It would be in my and Jeff W's best legal interest to not allow folks under 18 to subscribe. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying there ARE legal boundaries here, although they are patrolled as much as jaywalking and going 5mph over the speed limit are. But if this list became partially an open advice column for sex, I'd have to restrict membership by age, or I'd have to shut it down just to protect mine and Jeff's a**. Yeah, maybe lists that are wide open are in existence, but the owners would be just asking for trouble if they didn't keep a real close eye on it, or limity it somehow. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:39:28 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: ET: :( Today was my first day of school.....and guess what I was told 1st period? That one of my bestfriend's boyfriend was dead...car accident...Oh God...put a damper on the whole day...I was friend's with him too...he always used to tease me an' stuff...I still can't believe he's gone...It's gonna take awhile to sink in...it just isn't fair-he was only 18...just graduated this year...who would've ever thought...this sucks so much...I can't stop thinking about it...I mean him and I weren't bestfriends but I knew him enough so that I miss him...he has a younger sister that I am friends with...she's gone through a lot already and now this?? Damn...it's really not fair. I just called his g/f...she sounds really bad...she loved/loves him sooo much...I don't even want to think about this anymore right now :( Niki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:04:34 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: ET: Day one of a new life for Jon Hello all, I come to you without poem in hand, but to share my experiences of today....the first day of my new life. Last year (my Sophomore year) was a very hard year for me emotionally, and I was very distraught. So, I applied to a really, REALLY cool school, called Crossroads. And I was accepted. Today was my first day there. It's (as my dad calls it, "a hippies school") a very open-minded school. Everyone is on a first name basis, I don't even know my teachers last names. It is such a loving environment. I keep saying, "It's the oddest thing...it seems as if people REALLY care." My classes are fun, the people are great, and not only is my locker right across the hall from the drinking fountain, but this really beautiful girl's locker is next to mine, so I can't complain. :) Check ya later, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:05:49 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Atittude / Sex taboo Listen everyone :) I don't see what the big deal is. I personally don't want to read about it and I'm 12 days, 9 hours and 13 minutes from being 21. If you want to know about it, can't we just try to comply with Mike's request? It's Jeff's(I think) gratiousness that is allowing us/this list to reside on Smoe.org. He could very well kick us off to use Yahoo or some other service, as I believe we were once on Yahoo(but it may very well have been a different poetry list). Ok, I'm done my spiel...time to go onto some studying for a final tomorrow. Good night everyone! :) Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Cool Quotes and stuff :) "I come tonight I come to know The way we are The way we'll go." - "Thick As Thieves", Natalie Merchant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:39:48 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: On 80's music... >> Dr. RomeAntic writes: >Oh one more thing... KEVIN you are the devil... ever since you mention I've got the cloven hooves to prove it, and I'm hungry like the wolf. :) (Duran Duran reference, for those of you who haven't had the exquisite pleasure of hearing their song, "Hungry Like The Wolf". :) >"you spin me right round baby right round >like a record baby right round right round" >I first needed some time (say 15 minutes) to remember the melody... I >kept repeating it in my head... I knew I know the song... and I was >getting closer... and then suddenly boom... >AND I STILL KEEP SINGING IT!!!! AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! I'll help you get that song out of your head. Let's replace it with another fun, 80's-ish song! :) This particular selection goes a little like this: "She drives me crazy (ooh! ooh!) Like no one else (ooh! ooh!) She drives me crazy, and I can't help myself (ooh! ooh!)" Now tell me, who's the coolest 80's relic this side of the Mississippi? :) And if that didn't do it for you... how about this most excellent song about hearts, and the women who break them: "Sometimes I feel I've got to (duh duh) run away, I've got to (duh duh) get away, From the pain you drive into the heart of me, The love we share seems to go nowhere And I've lost my light, for I toss and turn, I can't sleep at night... Once I ran to you (I ran...) Now I run from you This tainted love you've given I give you all a boy can give you, Take my tears and that's not nearly- OOOOHH! Tainted love (oooooohhh) tainted love..." Soft Cell, ladies and gentlemen. If that song didn't kick butt, no song from the 80's did. :) Thank you, good night. Please tip the bartenders and waitresses. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #164 **********************************