From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #163 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: To the members of EDA-thoughts [Mike Connell ] Re: ET: attitude ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: two poems (?) [kara garbe ] ET: How old are we? [Karen Miller ] Re: ET: attitude ["Naomi Vaughn" ] ET: On 80's music... ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:40:59 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: To the members of EDA-thoughts After I wrote her *privately* with (about her post with frank sexual questions): >There are many boys and girls as young as 12 on the Jewel list, and I >imagine a few of them are on THIS list too. >Please don't post again asking such things. Holly wrote to the list: >well guess what mike? i dont care. sex is what life is about and if you dont know about at age 12 you are seriously deprived of life!!!!! That's a sad statement in my opinion. (which is all I'll say about that). First of all, it's generally considered poor netiquette to take what was a _private_ email and send it into a forum such as a mailing list. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with this, I'd suggest they read an article published in PC Novice magazine, which gave me permission to post the article on my Jewel/EDA page. It's at http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/aol_netq.htm It's a good article which points out a lot of stuff, including other forms of poor netiquette that has appeared on this list, although I must admit, overall this list has been GOOD with respect to netiquette (especially when compared to what's been happening on the Patty Griffin list I run.....some folks there just don't get it nor care) Now, on to some eda-thoughts list business. The post that was made with frank sexual questions is NOT appropriate matter for this list, simply because it is open to people of all age groups. End of story. Like I said in what was a private email to her, as does the Jewel list THIS list is likely to have some people as young as 12 years old, maybe even younger. I don't care if some of them may hear it in school or playgrounds or in their neighborhood (actually, I do care, but you know what I am driving at). They are NOT going to read it here. In my two years of involvement with the Jewel list, and certainly in the last 14 months of running it, I've had some emails from parents who were concerned with some of the topics that were being brought up on that list. They were legitimate concerns. This is actually ONE of the reasons the Jewel list is now moderated (there are many others) Plain and simple, I simply cannot allow discussion of such a frank manner on this list. There are even legal liabilities issues here where the ramifications are something the list owner would be held accountable for. Talk of love is of course alright (it's a main reason this list is here). Even *mild* talk about sex can be tolerated, but use your noggins. Please don't go too far with it, and for Pete's sake, please don't get as frank (or worse) than the post I am referring to. (If this list was restricted to 18 and over, things would be different) Lastly, I don't want to hear any of the "freedom of speech" or "censorship" baloney. it does not apply here. While this list is open to the public, it IS a private forum. It's no different that a magazine that is free to edit its' articles and "letters to the editor" and accept/refuse advertisements as needed to maintain the scope of its' purpose. I understand the need to ask these frank kind of questions, it's just this isn't the proper place. If you need to ask questions that are not or that you think may not be appropriate for this or any list you belong on, please do privately ask friends you've made on the list. After all, that's what friends are for :-) Mike P.S. I of course am open to rebuttal/discussion about this policy, either in private or on this list. However, again, if onlist please use your noggin :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:32:40 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: attitude >> Seth D. Fulmer writes: >I don't think you should so much as "be" happy...as long as you project a >happy face while you're with your friends. I mean...if they can't do >anything about it...why put them through the sad person routine? Hey, if you can't be a complete wreck around your friends, who CAN you be a complete wreck around? :) I can't do anything about my friends' problems, but I wouldn't want them to sit there and pretend they're all happy and joyful, when they'd really rather be bawling their eyes out... I think part of being a friend is being willing to put up with your friends when they're not 100% fun... granted, I'd rather hang out with my friends when they're happy and ready to have a good time, but I wouldn't want them to pretend they were having fun when, in reality, they'd rather be doing something like jumping off a bridge... I'd rather that they be honest about how they feel, than lie to me and present a happy face. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:53:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: ET: two poems (?) hey guys, thanks to everyone who responded to my reply to "attitude". still sometimes you know one thing intellectually, and another thing emotionally. there's a balance in there somewhere that's eluding me right now, but i'm doing okay. and i am NOT one of those people who mopes around with their friends saying "i hate myself", just to clear that up! when i'm feeling like that, i just don't talk to anyone at all. but sometimes my friends hunt me down and make me talk to them. which is probably good in the long run... but anyway that's not what this post is supposed to be about... okay, anyway, i've been finding it hard to write recently. i wrote these two things two nights ago. if you guys have any suggestions or comments, i'd really appreciate them because i just can't find that groove any more where things come naturally. thanks, kara *~*~*~* 8.29.98 10pm - -extraneous- there is a weight pushing me across the room when i stand in your presence when i feel the awkward lack of balance as my eyes search madly for a place to rest and find that the world is jilted should they fall anywhere my smile hides the reasons that push me out the door forever in flight to a place where my feet can dangle in the freedom of stability can dance in the pattern of normalcy can linger or depart, as they please as the moment demands forgive me as i take my face and voice to lower ground where i do not stand in the path of your life. *~*~*~* 8.29.98 1015pm - -regeneration - vines wrap around the room, a living cocoon promising a soothing shelter to those who come, stumbling, begging, pleading, to fall upon the couch and curl as one newly born or perhaps just seeking the experience. darkness descends- not the darkness which crushes the light of day but the darkness which heralds the sun's arrival, providing the only backdrop to highlight the glory of dawn. the single candle casts shadows on the ceiling, the flowers dancing above me like the huge palm trees i miss so much. i close my eyes feeling life's cocoon around me as music plays softly in the background and i know myself to be in heaven. time has displaced me into a world i never want to leave, and for some time i think that perhaps i will not. burying myself beneath a blanket, the world narrows into my shelter and i wait for sleep to overtake me. but it does not. restless, but at peace i expose myself to the cold air, just to feel the life beneath my skin. i follow the vines' twisting paths above my head feel the glory at life's domination. and when i am ready, i come out of hiding turn the night to day, so that life can continue and slip out the door to leave this haven ready for the next who shall come, ready for a new birth. *~*~*~* _____________________________________________________ "Selfishness and separation have led me to believe that the world is not my problem, the world is not my problem i am the world and you are the world" --live "10,000 years (peace is now)" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:08:00 -0700 From: Karen Miller Subject: ET: How old are we? alright mike i wil lbare you that but how old are the people on the list. if you feel you are the youngest email me and tell me i am 14. holly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:51:36 -0700 From: "Naomi Vaughn" Subject: Re: ET: attitude hey, I come out of lurking to give my line or two right quick. ;) I agree with Kevin. my friends have seen me at my best..and they've seen me at my very worst. most times, it's a comfort to know I don't have to "put on a happy face" in front of them if I just plain feel like crap. that's all...i'm gonna shut back up now. ;) be happy, have fun, and...SMILE~! heheh.. :) love ya's fer eva, Naomi the unknown angel - --- "How many corners do I have to turn? How many times do I have to learn, All the love I have is in my mind?" ~Verve On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:32:40 Kevin Pease wrote: >>> Seth D. Fulmer writes: >>I don't think you should so much as "be" happy...as long as you project a >>happy face while you're with your friends. I mean...if they can't do >>anything about it...why put them through the sad person routine? > > Hey, if you can't be a complete wreck around your friends, who CAN you >be a complete wreck around? :) I can't do anything about my friends' >problems, but I wouldn't want them to sit there and pretend they're all >happy and joyful, when they'd really rather be bawling their eyes out... I >think part of being a friend is being willing to put up with your friends >when they're not 100% fun... granted, I'd rather hang out with my friends >when they're happy and ready to have a good time, but I wouldn't want them >to pretend they were having fun when, in reality, they'd rather be doing >something like jumping off a bridge... I'd rather that they be honest about >how they feel, than lie to me and present a happy face. > > Kevin > >---------- >Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net >(ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) > http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease >"Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, > 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." > ---(Ani DiFranco)--- > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:51:38 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: ET: On 80's music... Kevin said: >I'm guilty of that, too... :) 80's songs in my MP3 collection include: > Ugly Kid Joe - Everything About You > Bon Jovi - Bed Of Roses Actually these two songs are from the 90's: first from 92 and second from 93! I absolutely adore both of the songs!!!! I don't really care about your sister Forget the little bitch cause I already kissed her One thing that I did to your lady Put her on the bed and she didn't say maybe... "Everything about you" WHOOOOO HOOO!!! I always go wild and start screaming at this part... I don't know it just kicks ass and it's not even on the ordinary single /video version... only on album version I think... on video they skip that part and go to Well I know you know everybody knows... etc And Kara listed these (ok she mentioned they might not be 80's): cure - friday i'm in love 92 extreme - more than words 90-91 mr big - to be with you 92 proclaimers - i would walk 500 miles well on this last song I'm puzzled... I know there's a song by THE Proclaimers called "(I'm gonna be) 500 miles"... which is featured in the ever so brilliant movie Benny & Joon (MARY & JOHNNY who played those two main characters were AWESOME... and was a single in 93. Now I don't know if that is the original version... maybe the original was in 80's by like you said proclaimers - i would walk 500 miles *LOL* ok... nough screwing around! As far as music's concerned I'm a 90's boy... I can't help it... I started listening this whole music scene on the very start of the 90's... it was almost like Jan 1st 1990 Let's listen to foregin music... since I'm from central Europe... everything English was foregin... which means practically 99.99% of the popular stuff! :)) However I don't think 80's were bad... after all they gave us U2 (the very best there is) and Bon Jovi who i also consider one of my favorites... and I know that might seem terribly bad to some of you... who say you're ashemed of the music you listen or have listened too... I just don't get why would I be ashemed if I like a song or everything of a certain artist... I like songs for the songs not for the artists - if I like the artist as a person, that has very little to do with music. So if I happen to like a song by the Spice Girls or BakstreetBoys I ain't gonna be any less thrilled about it... I ain't go brag about it (why would I never do anyways), but ain't gonna keep it a secret... I might mention it to somebody who cares just to prove my point that no matter how bad an artist can be there always is a chance they'll make a song you'll love to pieces or just a little bit. Like with this last single Viva Forever by Spice Girls... they didn't exactly win me over with all their previos singles... OK 2 become 1 was far from bad... I just failed to tape it so I have no stringer opinion (heared it about 3 times)... but this song is really amazing... it is so beautiful and I wouldn't be any more thrilled if a group that I like better sang it... who cares... I hate spices for who I think they are (meaning how they present themselves to be), but music has nothing to do with it... in my book that is! On that note... somebody mentioned Saigon Kick (Kevin??) as a part of bad 80's bands and I think Jamie defended them with a couple examples... one of them was Love Is On The Way... and YES you guessed it... it's 90's as well... if I'm not mistaken that is from 93... and yet another very beautiful song! However I admit it - that is all I ever heared form them... I heared many beautiful ballads by FIREHOUSE... and then I bought their album 3... and was disapointed sick! Aside from I Live My Life For You which is all I knew from the album... there are two other good ballads... and the rest is very very boring I might say... the lyrics are just awful - so grrrrrrrrrrrr...unimaginative... and if at least they'd wrap em up in a decent music... ok music ain't that bad... it's far from catchy... and singing is just a disaster... lyric example: Well I'm sick and tired and I'm totally wired Why can't they just leave me alone Just cause the length of my hair and the clothes that I wear And the things that I do don't conform (and then to chorus) Get a life I've got better things to do than to mess Around with you Get out and get your own life Get a life now I do get what they were trying to say... that we should live the way we feel is right... to have our own life style and nobody should interfere or something... but there are so many better ways to say it. generally they are obvious... and too plainly obvious... yes that's it the word PLAIN is good! Like next song: One man is black, one man is white One works by the light of the day and the other one works at night (and I don't feel like typing anymore) The only album I'm sorry I bought... it was between that and Hey Man (I think it's the title) by Mr. Big... and stupid me went for Firehouse since I had 2 Mr. Big albums and none by them... ah... Oh one more thing... KEVIN you are the devil... ever since you mention that "you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round right round" I first needed some time (say 15 minutes) to remember the melody... I kept repeating it in my head... I knew I know the song... and I was getting closer... and then suddenly boom... AND I STILL KEEP SINGING IT!!!! AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! Actually before your post I didn't even know the lyrics... I just mumbled... round round baby round round like a bhbhbhbhb baby round round round round!! Actually the lyrics ain't that lame as they seemed - if I look at it now. There's so much more variety!!! *LMAO* So... to mention Poison... yeah both songs Something To Believe In and especially Every Rose Has It's Thorn are awesome! So don't put doen eaighties... as much as they've sucked in a way... they also brought so much excellent music... like Springsteen's albums and I mentiond U2 - it was the time of Joshua Tree (well actually all their albums before Achtung Baby), but that one is the best of the 80's! There were Def Leppard, R.E.M., Pet Shop Boys etc... and what's wrong with Carma Chameleon... it's the only catchy song by Boy George (well actually it was Culture Club then)... can you compare "Do you really want to hurt me Do you really want to make me cry" to that song... c'mon!!! :)) Ok in the 90's Crying Game wasn't that bad, right! Oh I also loved Cyndi's songs Time After Time being the best... it can still make me cry! Of course you have to realize that all the 80's music I've heared first in the 90's. So I wasn't around when it was big. uh uh uh uh ... how could I forget... Michael Jackson... personally Dangerous is my favorite album by him... but 80's were great too... Although "Can't stop till I Get enough" going to infintiy is SO PATHETIC!!! What he does now is CRAP to the power of X. ENOUGH!!! when it comes to music... I can babble on FOREVER!!! - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "I could be your see of sand, I could be your warmth of desire I could be your prayer of hope, I could be your gift of every day I could be your tide oh heaven, I could be a hint of what's to come I could be your ordinary, I could be the one I could be your blue eyed angel, I could be the storm before the calm I could be your secret plesure, I could be your well-wishing well I could be your breath of life, I could be your European dream I could be your ordinary, I could be the one" Donna Lewis / I Could Be The One / Blue Angel Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #163 **********************************