From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #149 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, August 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Re: "perfect" ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: a poem ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: A friend's poem [Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie)] Re: ET: Re: haiku/80s [Angeljlb96@aol.com] Re: ET: a couple things to cover [Angeljlb96@aol.com] Re: ET: and now for something completely different [Angeljlb96@aol.com] ET: Part 1 of a story!! [Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie)] Re: ET: Re: and now for something completely different [Angeljlb96@aol.co] Re: ET: Re: haiku/80s [Angeljlb96@aol.com] RE: ET: songs that make you go grrrrrrr... [Karen Miller Subject: Re: ET: Re: "perfect" >> Seth D. Fulmer writes: >They would try to stop me and when they were unsuccessful, I can only >imagine what else they would try. Giving up, or changing their opinion of you as the most love-worthy thing in the world both come to mind as potential alternatives. Some people seem to go out of their way to make themselves un-loveable... Even a person with nothing but love to give can only give so much love. Why anybody would sit there and say to themselves, "I really think I want to hurt myself today," is well beyond my capabilities to understand. And then keep on trying when somebody who loves them is trying desperately to stop them... well, I just don't get that. But I'd say that setting out with the knowledge & intent of hurting yourself would certainly be a strange way to go about your day, and showing other people that you're loveable. >Oh, I know they couldn't stop me...unless they pointed out that I was >missing something that I valued more than getting >through to their weakness. Why is getting through to peoples' weaknesses such a big deal with you? And WHY do you seem to think that lacking the capacity for anger & hatred is a weakness? I guess what I really don't get is your competitive view of other people merely as "objects" to be bested and pushed aside. There's way more to life than getting your rocks off pointing out what you perceive to be someone's "weaknesses". >I'm not saying he has to control his entire environment...but he has to be >able to prevent others from subverting himself. ?? Sounds to me like, if he's trying to prevent others from "subverting" him, he needs a whole heck of a lot of control and mastery over his environment. What will he do to prevent others from subverting him? Either keep others out of his own little environment, or destroy them? >I see your point, however, taken the law of probabilities, he more than >likely will end up landing on you or hitting you sometime. To be hit by a >500 lb. anything...That has got to hurt(by the laws of physics - Momentum) (Actually, if you want to bring physics into it... one of the laws of physics states that Force = Mass times Acceleration. Since I would expect a sumo wrestler's acceleration to be much lower than mine, I would expect that he would probably not hit with a much harder force than I was capable of hitting. I may have a smaller mass, but I can move faster. And you might be surprised at the hits you learn how to take when you play hockey of any sort. :) >Because I hate when people say stuff like "Men, you can't live with >them...you can't shoot them" You do realize that's a joke? I actually think stuff like that is pretty funny most of the time. Same thing as I think that the little fat kid on South Park was pretty funny when he said something along the lines of, "Hey missy, why don't you go knit me a sweater!?" That stuff is said in jest, why should it bother you? >and the fact that females are more caring and >cry more often and are more open about their personalities. Also, during >that time every 28 days, they're a real #@#$% to guys without a logical >reasoning. Wow... these generalizations are HUGE. I don't know that all females are more caring and cry more often and are more open about their personalities... I know plenty of girls who are very guarded when it comes to talking to people... I know plenty of guys who will sit there, and weep and wail over their whole life story if you ask them. Sounds to me like you're buying into gender stereotypes in a big way. As far as girls being real "#@#$%" to guys just before & during their periods... this is also a tremendously variable thing. My sister can be a real pain in the ass (no offense, I love her, but she can be... :) one month, and the next month, she's 'business as usual.' I've known plenty of girls who are like this. And really... is it all that illogical? When they get like that, they're obviously not feeling well... when I'm in pain, or feeling sick, I get very irritable with people, as well. It's not illogical, it's human nature. (And besides, if we weren't doing annoying stuff most of the time, anyway, they wouldn't get so irritated. :) >I think guys need a way to come back against that.... I'll tell you what, once a month, you have somebody kick you in the crotch... that'll make you feel rotten and irritable once a month, so then you can come back against it. Myself, I'm going to just be nice to the girls when they get irritable, and hope I don't get kicked in the jimmies. I don't feel any need to turn the tables on them, I'll just take human nature into account, and not overreact when I say something stupid and get yelled at for it. :) >Admittedly, I've neutralized the differences like caring, cry more >often and more open about personalities and emotions. I am those >characteristics...I've incorporated them in my personality. However, it >pains me so when my friend Becki has abdominal pains every now and then(I >don't keep track of time so I don't know if it's once a month but I >wouldn't doubt it). So then be sympathetic and use those "caring, open" qualities to try to help her feel a little better. You're not going to change her physiology, and I doubt your physiology is going to change, either. So just be nice about it, and step lightly. >Plus, I have no clue how to curtsey(sp.?), or >NOT to lead in ball room dancing. I only know how to lead(whether that's a >good thing or not I don't know), ?? These are biological differences? I was under the impression that curtseying went out of style a hundred or two hundred years ago, and that it was strictly a societal thing. I can just imagine Jacques Cousteau... "We've tracked the pregnant female for hours... she is about to give birth. It appears to be a female child, and... yes, it's a female, and as you can see, she's trying to curtsy. Female babies instinctually begin curtsying soon after their first breath. In contrast, the males begin bowing." Ladies, WHY didn't anybody tell me that you all knew how to curtsy, and that you instinctively know how to follow in ballroom dancing? I wish someone had told me... :) >or why the freak they go to the restroom >in groups or why they go there more times in an hour than there are stars >in the sky. I could go on for hours on this issue. Please don't, you've already bought into enough gender stereotypes to keep me laughing for the next hour. :) And besides, are we talking differences in learned behavior, or differences in biology? You had originally stated differences in biology... there's a big difference between learned societal & group behaviors, and biological differences between men & women. >I would want to go through the hardships just to understand. I have a >skill(I don't know for how long) that I can copy someone's emotions but I >can't take it away from them. If someone's mad, it's copied into me(then I >do other things with that anger). If someone's sad, frustrated, I am that >way and I try to solve the problem and make them happy again. If someone's >in pain, I'd do anything to take the pain away from them. The more important question is, why are you like this? If someone's mad, or in pain, or sad, or frustrated, I can be very sympathetic, but to say that I "feel" what they are feeling, I don't think that's accurate, and really, I think it's a little bit presumptuous & arrogant to think that I can "know" what that other person feels. I think I'm going to stick with listening, giving advice when it's asked, and being sympathetic... if I've been in a similar situation before, I can use my own past experience to guide me, but I still can't "know" what that person is feeling. Different things affect people different ways. Why not just feel *your own* emotions when somebody around you is upset in some way? That's much harder than trying to mirror back what you think they're feeling. >Once I'd get there, I'd make everyone else perfect as well...Then we'd all >be equal. I won't ever get there...but I'm aiming in that general direction. No, we wouldn't be equal, because you'd be the one who "discovered" it, and in a Promethean gesture, bestowed upon us all your perfection. And really, from what you've described as your idea of what perfection is, I think I'd prefer to stay imperfect, have a little fun & enjoy life. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:41:09 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: a poem At 09:59 AM 8/24/98 -0700, lil.goalie31@juno.com wrote: >Hey angels. Here is just another poem that I wrote so I just thought I'd >share it with you all..... >>>>... > As you can see, I am not much of a poet but oh well. Talk to you >soon! Tara, You are so an excellent poet, as was that poem. Personally, I prefer a lot of imagery in poetry and metaphors. They rock! and you had them in your poem. Good Job! :) Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Cool Quotes and stuff :) "So don't tell me why he's never been good to you So don't tell me why he's never been there for you Don't you know that why is simply not good enough Oh...So, just let me try and I will be good to you Just let me try and I will be there for you I'll show you why is so much more than good enough" - "Good enough", Sarah McLachlan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:04:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: ET: A friend's poem My best friend's poem (I'm doing this without her knowledge [she's way too self-concious about her incessant writings], but I'm telling her ALL your comments, so gimmme alot!!) Why can't I fly The sky is newly rising as I say goodbye. I do not feel like crying my eyes have turned so dry. The land is slowly fading as I'm driving by. The stars are dissipating. Why can't I fly? I feel all alone now, because I've had to leave. Lord- please tell me how anyone could do this to me I want to be high as a cloud - -through the sky to weave So tell me -why- Why can't I fly? I'd like to fly like an eagle - -fly like a hawk through the trees and clouds so high. I'd never want to stop. life is so slowly passing by so why can't I? Why can't I fly? Alexa Johnson, 5-98 Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:13:21 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: haiku/80s In a message dated 8/23/98 9:05:21 PM Central Daylight Time, JonBoy911@aol.com writes: << It" was pretty high up on the kick-ass list. >> My all-time fave 80's song would have to be "Don't You Forget About Me" from the Breakfast Club. How canyou not love the song and the movie!?!? :) >> When you said that on the phone last night, it reminded me of "Pretty in Pink" and that love song...If you Leave-OMD ~I touch you once I touch you twice..I won't let go at any price. I need you now like I needed you then...You always said we'd still be friends someday~ hehe...sorry, just thinking. BUT you're right...how can anyone not love that movie????? Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:18:57 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: a couple things to cover In a message dated 8/23/98 10:10:17 PM Central Daylight Time, genben@usa.net writes: << ps- Corey Feldman and Corey Haim. Come on! the 80s RULED!!! >> YEA!!!!!!!!!! This reminded me of something funny I thought I should tell you guys. You all know I took a recent trip to South Dakota...well, while I was there, we were in some Indian pawn shop, and I was bored and going through the books...well, amongst a bunch of crappy romance novels was LICENSE TO DRIVE!!! THE NOVEL!!! FOR A BUCK!!! SO I don't think I'll ever read it, but I had to get it =) Love, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:20:45 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: and now for something completely different In a message dated 8/23/98 10:28:14 PM Central Daylight Time, genben@usa.net writes: << ps-anyone who can tell me where I stole that subject line from gets... well, it can be discussed >> Laura says it's from Monty Python...so I'll go with her =) She my ho...and I figure we'll split the prize fifty-fifty =) So yea...right??? Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:23:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: ET: Part 1 of a story!! "Ugh!" Reesa exclaimed, watching Einstein run off into Central Park. She ran afrter him, but she knew exactly where he was going. This was the second time this week that he had run off, and it was only Wednesday!! At least it was spring, so she didn't have to woory about him getting heatstroke. As she jogged up to the hot dog stand, she saw Einstien sitting on the grass begging the stand's owner for a hot dog. "I'll have 1 hot dog, please, Jim. Just the way he likes it!!" "Alrighty Reesa...I see he got away from you again!" Jim said. "Yeah, I've got to get him a new leash. He broke the clasp. This is the sixth time in a month!" "Try the steel ones at Pet's Palace and a leather leash. That's what I use for Roofus." She glanced at Einstein, and saw him begging her for the hot dog with his big brown puppy dog eyes. "Here you go, Einstein." Reesa said, and handed him a peice of hot dog. "Reesa, the Pet Palace is just a block that-a-way. I'll hold onto Einstein while yo run and get a new leash, if you'd like." "Really? Would you?" She asked gratefully. "Sure, you just hurry up." "Thanks!! She exclaimed, jogging off and waving. "Einstien, you be good!!" To be continued, tommorrow. Comments welcome!! Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:39:11 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: and now for something completely different In a message dated 8/24/98 9:24:55 AM Central Daylight Time, kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net writes: << I know where it's from... Monty Python... I'm just not sure I want to know what I get. :) >> DAMMIT!!! BASTARD!!! Mine...was....late =( Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:46:30 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: haiku/80s In a message dated 8/24/98 10:55:34 AM Central Daylight Time, kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net writes: << I've never quite managed to actually see that movie. :) (I did mention that I was out if it, didn't I? :) I've heard plenty of good things about the movie, but I've never actually sat down and watched it. Is this something I "absolutely just have to go out and see tonight," or what? :) >> *grabs at heart* KEVIN!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TO ME?!?!?! Go out righ now and rent that movie. It's the best =) Love, jamie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:03:00 -0700 From: Karen Miller Subject: RE: ET: songs that make you go grrrrrrr... I LOVE THAT MOVIE it is so very very very cool. Did you know that Val kilmer has perfect lips? heheheh ok I had to say that. Chris knight [Val kilmer] : "was it that dream where you're standing naken on a pyramid in sun god robes and a thousand naked women are screaming and throwing little pickles at you?" mitch: "no." chris knight:"why am i the only one who has that dream?" and oh ya she don't wanna got to church she don't wanna got school she laugh with anger when you take her for a fool celind dion I'm give you up I'm gonna let you down I'm gonna turn around and desert you I love that song sisters using root and clear complexing soap brothers wearing beads he smokes a lot of dope mom is out os touch with reality and daddies got a girlfrined ina nother town sorry i just love and clear complexing soap. (daria)theres not sadder siite on this earth thena football player trying to think (jane)who said that? (daria)i belive it was jefferson i love that show i've been saving myslef for you my whole life for some mother fucker like you to come along I am so deprserit I'm writting you this song and your so vain you probably think this song it about you gods gift to woman . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:09:58 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: ET: Hey everyone Guys, Well I started my Junior year of high school today and I'm thinking about quiting the list because I have so many things i have to do this year and there are so very many posts I just can't keep up! I don't know what to do. I really don't want to not get them, but I don't want to constantly be thinking about checking my mail. I dunno thought. I had a craving to write a poem about something when I was in the car this afternoon but I became so busy I never go to it and now it's time for me to go to bed and I also fogot what I was craving to write about! Oh well I dunno. I don't wanna leave you precious angels but I'm at a loss! Talk to you later. Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #149 **********************************