From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #137 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Re: "perfect" [zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki)] ET: question [ICURMINE@aol.com] Re: ET: Re: good things ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: Re: "perfect" ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: Re: The horror! ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: The horror! [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] ET: Re: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #126 ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: more lyrics [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:01:57 -0500 From: zerocool@sunlink.net (Niki) Subject: Re: ET: Re: "perfect" <> But who is to say what imperfections are? Like with looks...there is no way, even if people were created perfect, that someone can have the perfect looks...because what is perfect? In America most people who are overweight are looked down on and pressured to loose weight...but in other societies, what we consider fat, they consider beautiful, and these other societies think that what we define as beautiful (tall, thin, etc) is ugly. So I guess 'perfect' depends on who are you, how you were raised, what you think of yourself, and where you live. *^*NIKI*^* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:07:57 EDT From: ICURMINE@aol.com Subject: ET: question Hey angels~ Just wondering... I was talking to a friend of mine who is also subbed to this list. We came up with a question... Does anyone remember a poem on here called "Bitch"??? If you do, or you know who wrote it would you mind contacting me or Theresa at Hotbod2472@aol.com? Thanks Tim the paper angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:56 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: good things Hey all... Okay, I sort of kind of promised I'd send something out along these lines last night, but then my mail server apparently crashed, and I'm trying to catch up with this massive flood of mail I just received when it came back up. Forgive me? :) Let's see... Things I like about myself (All the good stuff that is me. :), and things I see as being my good points. Seeing as I really don't have the ability to make a poem out of this, I'm going for a nice little list of things. If somebody decides they want to write a poem about me, well, feel free. I'm not going to try though, because the results would be laughable at best. :) - I like my height. Being tall is nice. (Except in small cars. Try riding in the back of an Eagle Talon when you're 6'1. :) - I like my eyes. - I like my shoulders. - I think I'm reasonably strong. Sure, I'm not going to win a Mr. Universe contest, but then, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a Speedo on a stage, anyway. :) - I like my smile. - I like my sense of humor. (Not everybody else does, but that's THEIR problem, not mine. :) - I can make people laugh. ("And he's quick with a joke, or to light up your smoke, but there's someplace that he'd rather be..." :) - I'm a pretty good defensive soccer & hockey player. (And I have the scars to prove it. :) - (I mentioned this before) - I remember lots of music trivia... lyrics nobody ever wanted to know, band names nobody ever wanted to know. A blessing, if I ever find myself in the middle of a guerilla-style Jeopardy game; A curse if I ever think of a song I really used to hate because it's going to be running through my head day all long. "At the Copa, Copacabana, the hottest spot north of Havana!" :) - I'm good at planning & organizing things. - I'm a good listener, and a better talker. (sometimes not a good thing :) - I'm loyal, trustworthy, and responsible. (Goddamn, somebody was a boy scout. :) - I can write prose well. (Meaning, I can get my point across... not necessarily in a pretty or flowery way, but I can make my intentions clear). - I can play the saxophone pretty well. - I'm a pretty good leader. - I have good friends, and I think I am a good friend. (Maybe debatable, but this is what *I* think. :) - I'm reasonably intelligent, and more importantly, I realize how much more there is to learn. - I'm kind to people. (Unless you cut me off when I'm driving... then it's the old atomic land torpedo for you. :) - I can say things like "If love was sweat, I'd smell like a gym sock.", and actually think they're funny, even if nobody else in the world does. :) - I'm a pretty mean software test-plan writer. - I'm able to make myself comfortable just about anywhere. (And did I mention I'm comfortable walking around in my underwear? Go ahead, NOW invite me to your house. :) - I try to take very little (especially myself) seriously. - Above all, I have good intentions. Even if the result isn't what I intended, I meant well, and I learn from my mistakes. Okay, now that I've looked into that deep dark truthful mirror, that's about all I'm going to say on this subject. I think it's been real interesting hearing what other people have to say about themselves that's good... if you haven't posted in this thread yet, YOU'RE WRONG! :) Let's hear from everybody, eh? Don't think you have to post a poem... look at me, I'm probably the most un-poetic person you're ever going to meet, and *I* posted. Don't leave me hanging here. Please? :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:52:14 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: "perfect" >>Niki writes: >But who is to say what imperfections are? Like with looks...there is no >way, even if people were created perfect, that someone can have the perfect >looks...because what is perfect? In America most people who are overweight >are looked down on and pressured to loose weight...but in other societies, >what we consider fat, they consider beautiful, and these other societies >think that what we define as beautiful (tall, thin, etc) is ugly. So I >guess 'perfect' depends on who are you, how you were raised, what you think >of yourself, and where you live. I totally and 100% completely agree with you, Niki. The point I was trying to make was this: in a purely theoretical sense, you cannot define perfection to include imperfection, as the two are mutually exclusive, and the presence of one automatically precludes the presence of another. I'm not saying that it's possible to be perfect, or that there is an objective definition of perfection, or that it's even necessarily desireable to be perfect... what I'm addressing is Seth's definition of perfection. I agree completely, though, with what you're saying. As imperfect beings, we are unable to truly define what a perfect person would & should be. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:00:18 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: The horror! >>Maggie writes: >I don't know how to say this, so I'll just type. >[...] So the sheriff comes and takes you away from your home, and tells you >that you can't see your mommy or sister until the court decides who gets to >have you, in a month. Maggie, Having never been through any sort of custody battles, I can't really say I "know" what you're going through... but I can say that my thoughts & prayers are with you, your mother, and your brother, and I can say that I'm sickened thinking of the sheer sadism that would be required to do that to another person, especially your own son. Nobody should have to go through this, and I sincerely hope that he is back home where he belongs soon. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:00:59 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: Re: ET: The horror! Maggie dear, Oh sweetie! I'm deeply sorry. I haven't had that experience in my life. My parents have always been together, but I sat and thought....what if that was me? Of course I don't have a little brother or big sister, but it still made me very upset. I will be praying for you and your family. You are in my thoughts and prayers dear! Hugs and prayers, Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:22:08 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #126 >> Heidi J Andrus writes: >Do you have a web page with pic? Or just a pic you can attach to >e-mails? Just wonderin'. :o) Actually, no I don't... I'm rumored to exist, but no reliable photographs have ever been taken of me. :) Seriously, though, I've never scanned a picture of myself in... I have a web page (actually, the address is, for the time being, http://www.wpi.edu/~kestrel, because I've been lazy, and haven't updated & moved it over to my crosswinds account space yet), but it's got no pictures of me. It does have a neat little picture of a dancing red dot, though. :) I had to write it for a Human-Computer Interactions course I was taking when I was a Computer Science major, as part of a class project, and last updated it nearly a year ago. If you really want to look at it, feel free, but be forewarned - it's ugly, it's unfinished, it's outdated, and it doesn't meet the new HTML 4.0 standard! :) Someday, I'll get smooth on the picture tip, and put one of me and some of my friends up, but I don't have a scanner, and I haven't felt the overpowering urge to spend $30 at Kinko's trying to figure out how their damned scanners work. :) Sorry to disappoint, if I've disappointed. Or, glad to oblige, if you were hoping I didn't have my ugly mug up somewhere polluting the web, and taking up precious bandwidth, and just generally making things run slow on the net. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:30:49 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: food for thought (a clarification) >> Mike Connell writes: >argument. Considering I have seen some rather large posts (10K to 15K or >greater) and larger than normal digests (28K when the norm is 20K), it >tells me there may have been mild arguments..... Ooops. Heheheh. I think the large posts are probably mostly mine. I said it before, and I'll say it again... I get carried away, and I like to ramble. :) But, I don't think we've really been arguing... spirited discussion, maybe. Let me just interject at this point - if I *have* offended anybody here, or anybody feels like I'm being argumentative with them (or with somebody else), I apologize. That was never my intent. I honestly don't understand the rash of unsubscribers, though, because I don't think anything that's been said has really been ugly, mean-spirited, or rude. And, again, I'd like to interject, and say to anybody else out there who may be reading, and contemplating shuffling off this mortal list... please don't. As far as I'm concerned, if you have a problem with something I've written, if you disagree with me, or if you're offended by something I've said, then LET ME KNOW. Send me email privately, and let me know if I've said something to bother you, or if you just want to tell me, "You suck! Shut UP!" I'm a big boy, and I can handle a little criticism... if you don't want to disagree with me on the list in public, then disagree with me via email in private, but either way, let me know you disagree. I'm certainly not here to step on any toes, and if anything I've said has caused people to leave, again, that certainly wasn't my intent. But, I can't know if I'm doing something stupid unless you viewers act now, and email me today. Quantities are limited. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:22:58 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us) Subject: ET: question--moderator Mike~~ Are you the moderator or is Lara? If ya are, aren't moderators supposed to read mail so that they can, uh, cut out bad emails? Suppose we were having an argument....I'm just curious, I don't mean to accuse, it's not like yer paid or something (or are you, eh? hehe j/k). I really know nothing about moderating a list. =) ~~Sam the ? angel moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:51:39 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: Re: question--moderator At 09:22 PM 8/20/98 , Us wrote: >Are you the moderator or is Lara? Me. Lara is the hostess, I'm just doing the dirty-work :-) > If ya are, aren't moderators supposed to >read mail so that they can, uh, cut out bad emails? Suppose we were having >an argument....I'm just curious, I don't mean to accuse, it's not like yer >paid or something (or are you, eh? hehe j/k). I really know nothing about >moderating a list. =) Normally I read each and every post to this list, but I hurt my back on Tuesday night and my "sitting at the computer" time has been limited to approving/reading bounces since then. So, just when the ET list went to warp drive, I had to not read up on it. Mike P.S. Bounces are ALL posts to the Jewel list since it's fully moderated, and emails from other lists that also bounce for a variety of reasons, PLUS all returned emails. Many emails get returned for full inboxes, dead accounts (people killing an account and not unsubscribing) and a host of other reasons. - - * If you are new to the Jewel list and need a helping hand, * or have a burning question about Jewel and/or the list, * The Jewel/EveryDay Angels List Homepage & Guide is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup * Many basic Jewel and list questions can be answered there :-) * * If you can't find the answer on the page have any list related * questions, please feel free to email me at ducksoup@spectra.net * or you can IM me on either of the AOL names below: * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:59:14 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us) Subject: ET: more lyrics Heya angulz, Hehe I'm in a Joni craze. Here are two more songs by her that I really like--her imagery is great. Enjoy. They're the kind I coulda written in a sense. :) Sam the ? angel All I want by Joni Mitchell I am on a lonely road and I am traveling traveling, traveling, traveling Looking for something, what can it be Oh I hate you some, I hate you some I love you some Oh I love you when I forget about me I want to be strong I want to laugh along I want to belong to living Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dive Do you want-do you want-do you want to dance with me baby Do you want to take a chance on maybe finding some sweet romance with me baby Well, come on All ir eally really want our love to do is to bring out the best in me and in you too all I really really want to do is to bring out the best in me and in you I want to talk to you, I want to shampoo you I want to renew you again and again Applause, applause-Life is our cause When I think of your kisses my mind see-saws Do you see-do you see-do you see how you hurt me baby so I hurt you too then we both get so blue. I am on a lonely road and I am traveling looking for the key to set me free Oh the jealousy, the greed is the unraveling It's the unraveling and it undoes all the joy that could be I want to have fun, I want to shine like the sun I want to be the one that you want to see I want to knit you a sweater want to write you a love letter I want to make you feel better I want to make you feel free Hmm, Hmm, Hmm, Hmm, Want to make you feel free I want to make you feel free A Case Of You by Joni Mitchell Just before our love got lost you said, "I am as constant as a northern star." And I said, "Constantly in the darkness Where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar." On the back of a cartoon coaster In the blue T.V. screen light I drew a map of Canada Oh Canada With your face sketched on it twice Oh, you are in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you, darling And I would still be on my feet I would still be on my feet. Oh I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil And I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid I remember that time you told me, you said, "Love is touching souls" Well surely you touched mine 'Cause part of yours poured out of me In these lines from time to time Oh, you are in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you, darling And I would still be on my feet I would still be on my feet I met a woman She had a mouth like yours She knew your life She knew your devils and your deeds And she said, "Go to him, stay with him if you can But be prepared to bleed" But you are in my blood You're my holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh, I could drink a case of you, darling And I would still be on my feet I would still be on my feet. moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #137 **********************************