From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #117 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, August 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: beauty [Angeljlb96@aol.com] ET: re: realization [Cris Eichler ] Re: ET: beauty [Summer Burton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:01:14 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: beauty In a message dated 98-08-16 17:41:23 EDT, you write: << I tend to agree with you, however in today's society, someone who has those true qualities of beauty but not the prescribed qualities of beauty and just is not physically attractive won't be seen through the public's eye. I am physically unattractive, but I have many of the attributes you've listed above in the 2nd list. I can pretty much guarantee that I won't be seen in public. On the other hand however, when I'm bored once in a while I start thinking how it's a shame that I can't find, go out with, and marry a girl with all the prescribed qualities of beauty and the true qualities as well....a true angel. >> I agree. Society is getting better at looking on the inside, but I met a guy named Billy once off the internet, and I went to the movies with him and Laura...well...he told Jon "let's just say that's a really good picture of her", so I got really upset about it. Now I never really considered myself ugly...but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm pretty. I have my flaws...pimples, crooked teeth (that I'm REALLY sensitive about), way too skinny...ya know...but when I got upset and I was talking to a few friends (Jon, Justin, Ryan) in a chat room...they all kinda went off on me about how great I was...and it really helped. I can tell I'm maturing in that way because looks don't seem to matter to me anymore, whether it's a guys, or my own! When I first started talking to Seth on ICQ...I asked him if he had a pic...and he warned me about it...and I thought, God...how horrible...to feel you have to do that! I don't really know what I'm getting at...I guess...just saying you gotta meet the right people, bc there's always bound to be assholes who can't look past a pretty face. Love, Jamie ...I was gonna do a quote here that fit the situation, but I decided I wanted to put the whole song...so Child by Tara Maclean Dry your eyes, child, What are you frightened of? You miss the beauty here If you've forgotten love. Look for truth in your heart, child, Though the light may blind Seen with more than your eyes. Take a deep breath For breathing can be a shallow thing, And hearts break easily. I know. There are no happy endings For nothing ever ends, And I know that you feel like you've fallen, But you'll find your feet again. I know. Dry your eyes, child, You need all the strength. I know it's been hard so far, But that's the path of sums you overcome And find a star in every blackened sky, And I have seen you shine. Look for the good in every soul No matter what they do To try to swallow you. Let you faith be your sword, child, And it will fight for you In everything you do. I know. Cause there are no happy endings For nothing ever ends, And I know you feel like you've lost it all, But you'll find yourself again. And there are no happy endings For nothing ever ends, And I know, I know, You feel like your torn apart, But you'll fall in love again. I know. Hope you guys liked it =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:06:44 +0200 From: Cris Eichler Subject: ET: re: realization Kat wrote: > this also goes along with smarts. i'm smart, but i get lousy grades. i > hate raising my hand and i hate it once that english or history teacher > realizes that i know what i'm talking about on something. because then > they always expect you to know what you are thinking and talking about. > i think basicaly i have a strange fear of expectations. does this make > any sense at all??? that sounds frightfully familiar.......... I think I do know what you are talking about. There was a time in my life when it was kind of a policy of mine to do the exact opposite of what I was expected to do. Probably in effort to gain some sort of freedom, I don't really know. Well, it worked for quite some time, but then I realized that more and more often I didn't live up to my potential, only for the sake of following this policy. So, what I'm trying to do nowadays is to look carefully at what I'm doing to see why I am doing that. I still try not to do things only to fulfill other people's expectations, but I don't care if things that I want to to for my own sake just happen to match other people's expectations... Now did THAT make any sense.... ??? Cheers ! Cris mailto:cris@okay.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:56:14 -0500 From: Summer Burton Subject: Re: ET: beauty I thought I'd add my two cents to the beauty discussion. I'm one of those people who isn't ugly, but I'm not at all a knockout either. Most people will tell you I have a very "pretty face", which I always take as a little bit of a backhanded insult about my body which is, although I'm not at all overweight, built athletically and somewhat short and square. I realize all the problems with the way I think of myself sometimes, but it's hard not to, because of the guys I know and the friends I hae. My friends are wonderful, but all the guys are in love with my other friends (one in particular who is blond and has a barbie-like figure) and my other friends can only meekly tell me that THEY think I'm pretty, and they don't know why guys don't. My guy friends never compliment me, except for one who did and made me feel a lot better about myself until he got more serious with his girlfriend and decided he and I were too flirty or.. something. Now he treats me like one of his guy friends, as do all the other guys. To them, I'm not even... a girl. So it's hard for me to think of myslef as being pretty in that fashion. I have great respect for myself in other areas - intelligence, personality and style (I get clothes and hair style compliments all the time)... If I had a guy or two to really compliment me looks-wise I think I would have a lot healthier outlook on my looks, because right now I look at myself as being cute enough but not attractive to guys. The only thing that's helped is having my picture up on my web page and getting a few positive responses about that. That's been fairly helpful, although I never respond to guys who send me an e-mail to tell me I'm cute - seems to me that my picture's all they cared about and although I like looks compliments I certianly don't want that to be the only kind I get. :-) Anyway, I've been rambling.. I'm gonna post a poem I wrote too: capture me, brillant boy and take me away in your arms i wanna be loved i wanna be beautiful and the only time i feel that is in your arms kidnap me, take me away hold me tight and never let me go i'll be your prisoner for life. Love, Summer http://www.bga.com/~melissab ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #117 **********************************