From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #306 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 306 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: lots of stuff ["Brian H" ] ET: gay parents ["steve c" <51peg@abts.net>] ET: 3 poems for you... ["Jeremy Hodgins" ] Re: ET: gay parents [BRONCOBAND@aol.com] ET: ~gay parents~ ["angel girl" ] Re: ET: ~gay parents~ ["~* cymbaline *~" ] ET: the gay parent discussion ["Brian H" ] ET: Another poem..... ["Jeremy Hodgins" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:00:40 CDT From: "Brian H" Subject: ET: lots of stuff Ok, I haven't posted poems in a long time. Here a bunch that I've written: Why Why is it that when everything starts getting better it only gets worse? Why is it that when I think I've found love I never had Why is it that the bad always over-rules the good BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- Incase you haven't notice, I wrote some of these when I was having a very negative bad night - ----------------------------------------- You Say You say you think I'm sweet You say you care You say you understand You say you feel cruel You say you want to be If all of this is true Then why is nothing being said at all? BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- Falling Apart My Family is falling apart My brother the furthest away, and longest time away ever living his new life My sister starting her new own family to old for the old one My mom obviously beoming impatient and bored being a mother wanting to move on My dad unaware of wat is going on denying and avoiding Me caught in between it all suffering finding other problems to deal with depressed hopeless.... lost BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- This is a wierd one: - ----------------------------------------- You are no longer Lili Sugarbabe you say You are no longer Lili Sugarbabe you've become better How can you no longer be Lili Sugarbabe Is it an attempt to erase the past? If so, then there isno way for you to comprehend how much pain that brings to me BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- Sleep With it comes many things It is the one time when nothing else matters And I can escape the pain of being awake But still this glorious rest only turns tommorrow into today BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- The Same Mistake Find Love Leave Hurt Hate Repeat BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- Ok, now here comes the super wierd ones: - ----------------------------------------- Who Do You Think You Are? Who do you think you are exactly? Because I know who you are They don't understand I've seen beneath you I've seen your heart THe hollow piece of shit except for a knife to stab me with Who do you think you are? Me? No unfortanatley, I had the pleasure of meeting you So you could ruin me like you did everyone else I hope you're happy Because then at least someone would be BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- god, that one freaks me out yet another wierd one: - ----------------------------------------- Where did you come from? I'd like to go there So I can loose myself and become you. BH Sept '99 - ----------------------------------------- Hollow Box The hollow box starts to eat me I cant save myself this time It approaches and tries to make me as itself NO! I will not let it Stop! but it is to late - ----------------------------------------- The field is green with small dots or red roses red as the bood from my bleeding heart red as the color in your eyes burning me fall fall fall fall help help help help - ----------------------------------------- I look down this bottomless pit and see my future I look behind me and see that I am at the bottom of a mountain with heavan ontop my past and I jump knowing I will end up there anyway why not save the pain of waiting and I fall - ----------------------------------------- oh my god oh my god, that one scares me. I never really thought about it. Those are one of the soul writters one I did. Oh my god, that scares me. How did you guys interpret that? - ----------------------------------------- a single tear runs down my cheak after I print the word help on a piece of paper why? ask someone please it would very much help me - ----------------------------------------- Ok, these are all very negative poems I'm sure you noticed. And I'm a little nervous about sending these because they are so personal to me. So no mokery or anything. =) i know you wouldnt do that, right? well here's some explanation I've been going through so much shit this year. I mean, I go up and down constantly. it's like, for a while I'm good, but then I fall rock bottom. and slowly I make it back up. But the problem is, I'm not the type of person who complains about my problems, or even tells them, so people just assume I'm fine. And then I find myself extremley lonely, and depressed. Right now, I feel like I'm slipping down, because things are just slowly getting bad, and I can sense something bad down the line. Maybe it's just that I'm being negative. I do have faith and hope and everything, I know that it will pass, I just don't like knowing that something bad has to happen for something to get better. Get what I'm saying? Ok, well, feel free to write back with comments. In fact, please do. Thanks! Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:41:01 -0400 From: "steve c" <51peg@abts.net> Subject: ET: gay parents well i just don't know.. i think it just depends.. for one.. if they adopt a gay kid hey that is great.. i just think it depends on so many things.. but i will say this.. sometimes things we do on our own time can hurt other people in some ways.. however, i would much rather a child grow up with gay parents than no parents or parents that fight, or are dysfunctional in some way.. so i think it just depends.. if they are good parents then sure let them adopt.. and you should be able to marry the best friends chiwawa if you want.. notice i'm just being a bit humorous.. (hugs to everyone) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:16:30 PDT From: "Jeremy Hodgins" Subject: ET: 3 poems for you... Hey EDA's, These are just some oldish poems... Untitled 1. Don't worry fat boy, They'll go away now, For they soon grow tired of the old And common. Looking for new 'freaks' to stare at. Don't worry fat boy, They'll go away soon, For their arrogance and pride betray Them, Like a hawk blown into a mountain. But like that same hawk, They'll soon return to their nest, Their comfort - You. It is a way for them to console Themselves About their own pathetic lives A way to shield, to hide their flaws. They'll return soon. ***************************************************************** Hyde beauty. You walk by me, Amongst the trees in Hyde, Capried and Gucchied up, Highells clicking, Unnatural here. I watch, Eddings in hand, And wonder, How long did it take you? To get the natural look? It failed. Injustice looms, As your mobile rings, And your pace quickens, Hurry, Hurry! Lunch date is waiting. But then I see your eyes, Glance over to the lump on the grass, Stiring, moving, The man awakens. Injustice has loomed, You turn your head, And walk on onto your reality Of prawn cocktails and strawberry Dickers. I wonder, How long did it take him? To get the natural look? It works. ***************************************************************** Location, location, location. A patch of ground, The size of a bed, Three blankets, And an empty bottle of beer. Under an overpass, This isn't prime land, Let it be. But I cannot blame you, You play the devil for A greater evil. I cannot reach that evil He cannot see under The overpass That always roars with millions Of four horse powers. To me this is prime land, But I could do better... ***************************************************************** Jeremy :) **The Scorpion, Peace Loving, and Kind & Gentle Angel!** My ICQ number is 42872979. Please visit my homepage and sign my guestbook? http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/9655 Around Yahoo! chatrooms I'm know as scorpius_48 "There are pleanty of people who have prayed for peace, But if praying were enough it would have come to be." Jewel, Life Uncommon. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:50:50 EDT From: BRONCOBAND@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: gay parents Well, I tend to agree with John here...Marriage is just fine. Go for it if you want to make a life with someone, provided that you think you're ready for the commitment. Children is a completely different thing. While I don't think gays should be deprived of anything based on the fact that they are gay (heck - I tend to lean towards both sides of the spectrum myself as far as sexuality goes), I also hold a concern for children put in that type of environment. The two gay parents could have emaculate parenting skills and I would still be concerned. The effects of a child growing up in a single gender home are not well known (at least not to me anyway :o) ), but what we have learned is that the child misses out on the chance to fully develope both his/her masculine and feminine sides. What effects could this have on them later in life? Well, that's what I'm worried about. Also, that age old self-esteem killer "ridicule" comes into play here. All kids are teased to some extent, but it really gets to some kids...and some (with the help of some other miscelaneous factors being thrown on top) end up killing themselves or others for it. Also, if the kid is teased about his fat, he hates his fat...by the same token, if the kid is teased about his gay parents, will the kid not tend to resent the parents a little? I think I wouldn't be able to help a certain amount of anger. This could also do one of those tricks on the kid where they end up (1) having an anger towards all gays that stems from the anger at their parents (2) being gay themselves. #1 is something that America has tried to shy away from--disrimination. And #2 brings up the question, what are the effects on our society going to be if the gay population grows really rapidly? Maybe none, but I tend to think it would bring up issues that we can't really even fathom at this point. So, I guess what I'm saying is, we have no idea what we as a society could be getting ourselves into by having gays adopt children. ***No offense was meant towards gays, heterosexuals, parents, or anyone for that matter. This commentary was put forth in a strictly non-judmental yet questioning manner. :o) Have a good day all!!*** Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:54:11 MDT From: "angel girl" Subject: ET: ~gay parents~ Hey Angels...just my two cents... I think it's sad we live in a world today where you can not folow your heart and do as you please without getting frowned upon and ridiculed. I find nothing wrong with gay marriges or those couples adopting children. You see all these children today getting raised in terrible families full of hatred and drugs and alcohol getting beatin by uncaring people who do not want them around anyway. Who are we to tell two compitent people they are not allowed to raise a child. I think it is a great thing because obviusly if they are looking for a child they are going to treat it well and that should be all that matters. Love is love no matter what sex it is directed to or comes from and any child that grows up in an enviroment based on love and happiness is going to be better off than the kids that get beaten and raped by their parents. Besides...those children who are raised by gay parents will come into this world with an open-mind and that is what this world needs more than anything...people who don't look down on everything becase they are different. I say to all those people who are gay that they are great people because they have the courage to follow their hearts instead of bowing down to an uncaring society. thats all ~kerry*bear~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:36:49 GMT From: "~* cymbaline *~" Subject: Re: ET: ~gay parents~ It was said a few times, that for the children's sake, gays should not be allowed to have children. That the children will be ridiculed and made fun of because their parents are gay lovers. That they'll grow up not having the stimilation of both a male and female parent. But what about this. Seriously. People are allowed to marry and have kids, when they are of diffrent races. Blacks and whites are gfetting married, and having bi-racial children! Don't you think these kids are made fun of for having parents who are of different races? And the children, they can't be classified as either "white" or "black". Its harder for them to fit in w/ a particulat group, than it would be for someone of one race. I think its so hypocritical to say that gays shouldn't have kids because it can affect the kids and how they grow up... yet its okay for a black man and a white woman (or vise versa) to have a kid. Either way the kid may or may not have a "hard time" growing up. But its a part of life. I, in no way, meant to sound racist w/ that interracial marriage thing. To me, skin color is just skin color, and I think people can marry who they want regardless of sex or race. But its a cruel world, and no matter who your parents are, alot of kids will get made fun of. They'll get made fun of because they're poor and on welfare and can't afford nice clothes. Okay, lets not let poor people have kids! Thats not fair, right? I think everyone has the right to have children if they have the mental capability to care for a child, regardless of the situation they're in. Peace, kelly ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:41:48 CDT From: "Brian H" Subject: ET: the gay parent discussion Ok, now it's my turn. Ok, MAYBE it is a bad enviroment for the kids, maybe it's not. But dont you think that something like that should be up to the parents who adopt them? I mean they're the ones who would have to deal with it IF it causes problems. And about it causing problems growing up in that enviroment... huh! that makes no sense. That's just because people are not used to or comfortable with homosexuals. I mean, we just assume the a man and a wife parenting a kid is normal because that's what happens most. Just my opinion. [c: ߮I@N "The Jelly Doughnut of an Angel" halaasb@hotmail.com ICQ: 40694569 AIM: brianh5036 Yahoo: jellydoughnut6 Please visit my site: http://come.to/lifeuncommon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:03:33 PDT From: "Jeremy Hodgins" Subject: ET: Another poem..... EDA's, All comments are welcome... *Tiled floor* I remember being 8 And lying on a tiled Floor Wishing that I could be transparent and one being With the warm ceramic. In a vain attempt to forget That Dad lived three hours That-a-ways From Gavin, Mum, and Me. Jeremy :) **The Scorpion, Peace Loving, and Kind & Gentle Angel!** My ICQ number is 42872979. Please visit my homepage and sign my guestbook? http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/9655 Around Yahoo! chatrooms I'm know as scorpius_48 "There are pleanty of people who have prayed for peace, But if praying were enough it would have come to be." Jewel, Life Uncommon. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #306 **********************************