From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #199 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, July 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 199 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] ["Kevin B.Pease" ] ET: i'm back.. [Naomi Vaughn ] Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] [DPS8315@aol.com] Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] [nicole irene kline ] Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] ["Kevin B. Pease" Subject: Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] DPS8315@aol.com wrote: > First of all, hi sam :) and kevin, thanx for replying to rizzolues > message cause i got blown last night and even though i've showered and > bathed I can still smell the vodka and I can still see the blood in the > toliet.. That sounds just a bit excessive... :) Hope it was worth it. > the point being someone needed to rip boy-wonder out of his dream world > and into the reality that it's still all about money... speaking of > life, of course. If you could simplify life, it would all come down to > a fat wad of benjamins..simply because money is the best thing that > mankind could come up with to measure the success of his life. And I thought I could be pretty cynical. :) I'd say your last statement is a pretty strong indictment of mankind, and I don't know that I'm willing to settle for money being the best measure of success in life... > Case in > point: Big Tobacco pays Big Dollars to hand out their free cigarettes at > JEWELS concerts and theres not a damned thing that you or I or Jewel can > do about it, because the money that is there is too tempting, I'm > talking big time, big dollars, where Jewel is right now, not where she > was 6 years ago, or where you say that you are now. Well, more than that, there's the simple fact that the venue owners are the ones who dictate what goes on "offstage"... Jewel can make demands, but the venue can quite easily laugh in her face and book the Guns 'N' Roses reunion tour. :) > Rizioule, you made a mistake in chosing preservation of art and > principles over money. Its all about money, and unless you're willing > to accept and ABUSE that fact, then your art will never triumph. I don't know if I'd go that far... the choice of principles over money is admirable, if not necessarily the best thing for Rizioule's plans for touring. I'm sure though, that there's creative, and useful, ways to use cigarette money... given the choice between putting it to good use for your own ends, or seeing yet another cigarette billboard on the highway, which is the lesser of two evils? I'd call it a dead heat. > I'm not white trash. I'm not even white. Hey, then we've got a points of views from both ends of the spectrum. I'm white, and if listening to (and actually enjoying) some country music is enough to qualify me as white trash, then you can call me Jethro. :) (Unrelated, but semi-applicable to Rizioule's point (or at least, what I understood his point to be) that the so-called "white trash" music isn't as pure a form of art as Jewel's music... I'm listening right now to a remake of an old Merle Haggard song, named "Sing Me Back Home", by Richard Shindell. To borrow a phrase from James Taylor, "it's so sad it makes you weep. It'll make your dog weep. It'll make your roof leak..." I'd easily put this up against Jewel's music, and it would quite easily hold it's own, in my opinion...) > !and! cigarettes dont degrade from > it... drugs are as american as apple pie.. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, you know. :) > and while i'm rambling on about things, underage drinking is american > too. It is breaking the law, and I wholeheartedly accept the moto that > civil disobeidience doesn't change anything, but at the same time, "A > man has the right..the duty..to do at anytime what he thinks right." > MLK Jr broke laws... and if you want to give me BS about these being > two different things, you're wrong. civil rights were denied to > women...and women got their rights...and they were denied to blacks..and > blacks have their rights, but children will never have their rights. You're probably right, and the real reason for this is primarily financial. Children can't vote, they have very little money... they're deemed to be in need of protection by those who can vote, and who have money... so, laws are passed, and rules are made. However, I don't truly think telling children not to drink is about oppression, and I don't necessarily think that a ban on underage drinking is a bad thing (I'll go so far as to say that I agree with it... maybe the definition of "underage" could be revised downwards a bit, but there is a point at which you have to impose *some* discipline & order, or you're going to have a whole generation of 15-year-olds with cirrhosis & brain damage.) But, all of that's neither here nor there, I really don't care so long as nobody goes out and hurts other people because of their habit. Drive drunk on the same road as me, and it becomes my business... But, sit at home and drink a bottle of everclear, and while I may not agree with the choice, ain't none of my business -- that's your brain cells & your liver, not mine -- your choice, your life. I may not agree, but so long as you don't try to make me pay for the liver transplant when you're 35... :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@netscape.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ". . . no I don't need a miracle, but I could use a push in the right direction . . . " ---(The Refreshments, Interstate)--- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 99 17:23:59 CDT From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: ET: i'm back.. hey angels...just thought i'd say "hey"...let y'all know i'm back...as of just a few hours ago. i'm kinda bumming around right now...so, my big catch up post will have to be later...anyway...talk to you later then...bye. ever me, Naomi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:34:11 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] In a message dated 7/8/99 3:16:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, kbpease@netscape.net writes: > DPS8315@aol.com wrote: > > First of all, hi sam :) and kevin, thanx for replying to rizzolues > > message cause i got blown last night and even though i've showered and > > bathed I can still smell the vodka and I can still see the blood in the > > toliet.. > > That sounds just a bit excessive... :) Hope it was worth it. interesting thing abou that..and I'm curious to know what other of you think about this.. but after my first true experience with a complete lack of control (physically) over my body..I've got some things to say about all of it. I'm not sure that I want to do it again, that's not to say that I wont ever drink again..it'll be a few months but I'm ok.. I'm wondering how many people out there ...have been truly drunk. As far as it being worth it....yes, actually.. My personal philosophy is to experience everything...to not "when I come to die find that I have not lived at all"...to suck the very marrow out of life..but I can rip Thoreau all day and it doesn't mean anything.. so in the smaller picture of things, it was an experience in my summer, one that I can recall and learn from later.. and I was just curious to know what other people ..think. >And I thought I could be pretty cynical. :) I'd say your last >statement is a pretty strong indictment of mankind, and I don't know that I'm >willing to settle for money being the best measure of success in life... I agree completely...like I was saying..or trying to say earlier, is that the measure of a man's life isn't his bank account...or how many women he slept with... the unit which we each measure our lives with is unique.. mine, will be a combination of things, most predominately whether or not I spoke what was on my mind, whether or not I did that which I sought to do, ..likewise things.. Money..the dollar, is the most universal measuring tool that man could come up with to compare his life to his neighbors. agreed? > I don't know if I'd go that far... the choice of principles over money > is admirable, if not necessarily the best thing for Rizioule's plans for > touring. "sell we bargain with the devil we'll be ok for today" chosing principles over money is always admirable..and well, I'm not quite sure that I am so strong...but when you _sacrifice_ yourself for your principles..well you *might* be making a foolish choice > Hey, then we've got a points of views from both ends of the spectrum. > I'm white, and if listening to (and actually enjoying) some country music is > enough to qualify me as white trash, then you can call me Jethro. :) > (Unrelated, but semi-applicable to Rizioule's point (or at least, what I > understood his point to be) that the so-called "white trash" music isn't as > pure a form of art as Jewel's music... I'm listening right now to a remake > of an old Merle Haggard song, named "Sing Me Back Home", by Richard Shindell. > To borrow a phrase from James Taylor, "it's so sad it makes you weep. It'll > make your dog weep. It'll make your roof leak..." I'd easily put this up > against Jewel's music, and it would quite easily hold it's own, in my opinion...) music is universal..and IMO..for the most part, you cant say that one artist or genre's music is more of an 'art' than any other.. the measure of music is really how well the listeners respond and identify with it.. every song has a message, you just have to be willing to -listen- for it > > !and! cigarettes dont degrade from > > it... drugs are as american as apple pie.. > Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, you know. :) oh I agree.. it's just a given fact, so what's there to say about it? ..seriously > However, I don't truly think telling children not to drink is about > oppression, and I don't necessarily think that a ban on underage drinking is > a bad thing (I'll go so far as to say that I agree with it... maybe the > definition of "underage" could be revised downwards a bit, but there is a > point at which you have to impose *some* discipline & order, or you're going > to have a whole generation of 15-year-olds with cirrhosis & brain damage.) I meant in general..children are oppressed, and to an extent it's nature's way... not that nature is always right.. I'm a 15 year old. honestly, I'm more concerned with the nation's lack of crisis control and disaster prevention (on a terrorism scale) than I am with what tequilla does to my brain.. > Kevin - -James hey ..seriously now.. I haven't been doing this myself, and I'm making a challenge: post poetry. go above and beyond that and critique your friends' poetry. be a better writer. y'all up for it? :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:41:21 -0700 From: nicole irene kline Subject: Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] i've been drunk, i've been stoned for at least a week straight, and i've done worse drugs. i dont think that drugs are as bad as a lot of people think, i think that marijuana could actually be beneficial for the world but the government (esp the american government) wants nothing to do with it, not even to help people who are ill. that's my 2 cents, and i have nothing more to say, unless you want to ask me specific stuff. :) At 09:34 PM 7/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/8/99 3:16:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >kbpease@netscape.net writes: > >> DPS8315@aol.com wrote: >> > First of all, hi sam :) and kevin, thanx for replying to rizzolues >> > message cause i got blown last night and even though i've showered and >> > bathed I can still smell the vodka and I can still see the blood in the >> > toliet.. >> >> That sounds just a bit excessive... :) Hope it was worth it. > >interesting thing abou that..and I'm curious to know what other of you think >about this.. but after my first true experience with a complete lack of >control (physically) over my body..I've got some things to say about all of >it. I'm not sure that I want to do it again, that's not to say that I wont >ever drink again..it'll be a few months but I'm ok.. I'm wondering how many >people out there ...have been truly drunk. As far as it being worth >it....yes, actually.. My personal philosophy is to experience >everything...to not "when I come to die find that I have not lived at >all"...to suck the very marrow out of life..but I can rip Thoreau all day and >it doesn't mean anything.. so in the smaller picture of things, it was an >experience in my summer, one that I can recall and learn from later.. and I >was just curious to know what other people ..think. > >>And I thought I could be pretty cynical. :) I'd say your last >>statement is a pretty strong indictment of mankind, and I don't know that I'm >>willing to settle for money being the best measure of success in life... >I agree completely...like I was saying..or trying to say earlier, is that the >measure of a man's life isn't his bank account...or how many women he slept >with... the unit which we each measure our lives with is unique.. mine, >will be a combination of things, most predominately whether or not I spoke >what was on my mind, whether or not I did that which I sought to do, >..likewise things.. Money..the dollar, is the most universal measuring tool >that man could come up with to compare his life to his neighbors. agreed? > >> I don't know if I'd go that far... the choice of principles over >money >> is admirable, if not necessarily the best thing for Rizioule's plans for >> touring. >"sell we bargain with the devil we'll be ok for today" chosing principles >over money is always admirable..and well, I'm not quite sure that I am so >strong...but when you _sacrifice_ yourself for your principles..well you >*might* be making a foolish choice > >> Hey, then we've got a points of views from both ends of the spectrum. >> I'm white, and if listening to (and actually enjoying) some country music >is >> enough to qualify me as white trash, then you can call me Jethro. :) >> (Unrelated, but semi-applicable to Rizioule's point (or at least, what I >> understood his point to be) that the so-called "white trash" music isn't as >> pure a form of art as Jewel's music... I'm listening right now to a remake >> of an old Merle Haggard song, named "Sing Me Back Home", by Richard >Shindell. >> To borrow a phrase from James Taylor, "it's so sad it makes you weep. >It'll >> make your dog weep. It'll make your roof leak..." I'd easily put this up >> against Jewel's music, and it would quite easily hold it's own, in my >opinion...) >music is universal..and IMO..for the most part, you cant say that one artist >or genre's music is more of an 'art' than any other.. the measure of music >is really how well the listeners respond and identify with it.. every song >has a message, you just have to be willing to -listen- for it > >> > !and! cigarettes dont degrade from >> > it... drugs are as american as apple pie.. >> Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, you know. :) >oh I agree.. it's just a given fact, so what's there to say about it? >..seriously > > >> However, I don't truly think telling children not to drink is about >> oppression, and I don't necessarily think that a ban on underage drinking >is >> a bad thing (I'll go so far as to say that I agree with it... maybe the >> definition of "underage" could be revised downwards a bit, but there is a >> point at which you have to impose *some* discipline & order, or you're >going >> to have a whole generation of 15-year-olds with cirrhosis & brain damage.) > >I meant in general..children are oppressed, and to an extent it's nature's >way... not that nature is always right.. > >I'm a 15 year old. honestly, I'm more concerned with the nation's lack of >crisis control and disaster prevention (on a terrorism scale) than I am with >what tequilla does to my brain.. > > >> Kevin >-James > >hey ..seriously now.. I haven't been doing this myself, and I'm making a >challenge: post poetry. go above and beyond that and critique your >friends' poetry. be a better writer. y'all up for it? :) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:17:56 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: Re: [ET: drugs, other things..] > interesting thing abou that..and I'm curious to know what other of you think > about this.. but after my first true experience with a complete lack of > control (physically) over my body..I've got some things to say about all of > it. I'm not sure that I want to do it again, that's not to say that I wont > ever drink again..it'll be a few months but I'm ok.. I'm wondering how many > people out there ...have been truly drunk. I've been pretty far gone a couple times before, and each time, I regret it afterwards. It's one thing to have a couple good beers, but it's an entirely different thing to be unable to walk straight, unable to keep the room from spinning around you, feeling like you're going to puke... those things, I can do without. Enjoying a beer or something now and then is best done in moderation, in my opinion... I'm not big on spending $5 on a pint of Guinness only to puke it back up a couple hours later. Waste of good money, waste of good beer, waste of good time. > "sell we bargain with the devil we'll be ok for today" chosing principles > over money is always admirable..and well, I'm not quite sure that I am so > strong...but when you _sacrifice_ yourself for your principles..well you > *might* be making a foolish choice I don't know... to be principled enough to be willing to sacrifice yourself for those principles... it may be foolish from a purely economic standpoint, but again, I think it's a very admirable thing to be able to do. I don't know if I'm that principled, honestly... > I meant in general..children are oppressed, and to an extent it's nature's > way... not that nature is always right.. > I'm a 15 year old. honestly, I'm more concerned with the nation's lack of > crisis control and disaster prevention (on a terrorism scale) than I am with > what tequilla does to my brain.. Well, those are pretty good things to worry about... but, drink too much tequila, and you won't be worrying much about the nation's preparedness for any crisis much bigger than a quarter inch of rain. :) Although, realistically, in terms of what's more immediately damaging, I'd actually probably be more concerned with the tequila, than with the small chance that somebody's going to start popping nukes or bio/chemical agents in downtown Manhattan... and I think you'd probably be surprised at the contingency plans the military has... you don't hear about them too much, and they're not made available for public record as a matter of course, but they're there... Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "... no I don't need a miracle / but I could use a push in the right direction..." ---(The Refreshments, "Interstate")--- ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #199 **********************************