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eda-thoughts-digest       Thursday, July 8 1999       Volume 02 : Number 198




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                               Today's Subjects:
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  ET: 1 minute at the late night babble cafe  in courtney's mind  [Courtney ]
  ET: poem and stuff                    [Seth Fulmer <kaosking@voicenet.com>]
  ET: drugs, other things..                                 [DPS8315@aol.com]
  ET: song                           [Courtney M Gordon <cmgordon2@juno.com>]
  Re: ET: Re: Re: Police Want Steve?                     [BRONCOBAND@aol.com]
  ET: Re:  oh my, Riz...                                 [Angeljlr98@aol.com]

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:16:27 -0500
From: Courtney M Gordon <cmgordon2@juno.com>
Subject: ET: 1 minute at the late night babble cafe  in courtney's mind

<<infatuation>> (oh God, I'm turning into Rod Stewart!)
we just kind of sat there
in that cafe off the outskirts of Dallas
you were the brooding
misanthropic
poetic teddy bear
sitting in the corner
of the short order restaraunt 
reading 
Bram Stoker
or something equally abstruse
drinking your double latte with one ice cube
and two creams
staring at nothing in particular.
I'm sure you had something going on in your head
that was worth pondering.
I would've asked. 
But that would have been like trying to figure you out.
And I'm sure that concept scares you, as does
everyone else.
And if I understood 
any more about you
I might love you.
If you knew that I know 
that you are actually very loquacious
And you have a history of being slightly naive
that could ruin the both of us.
~~~~~~~~~~~
that was unfinished, but that's okay. (I got my fill of big words and
that's all that matters)
:-)
questions and comments are greatly appreciated!
love and luck always
Courtney
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Seth Fulmer <kaosking@voicenet.com>
Subject: ET: poem and stuff

Hi :)  How are you doing? :o)  *ducks tomatoes as people yell to go away*
The past day or 2 I've been sorta in a good mood..but it seems like a
small ledge of happiness cuz last night I started feeling worse.  I
dunno..it was all pretty small things.  I ordered food from the pizza
restaurant and their refridgerator broke so they didn't have my favorite
soda.  Then, like...you probably know how I have this thing where my
perfect woman is Deana.  Well, I met this girl on ICQ who lives sorta near
Philly and who uses a form of that name as her ICQ nick.  I don't know if
it was that or if I was just feeling generous and gave the new person
adding me to their ICQ list a chance...but I talked to her and added her
to my list.  She's pagan and wican sort of stuff which I've always been
interested in since about middle school but never could get into it(no
resources) and she invited me to one of the rituals too.  But like last
night I saw her online so I sent her a message and almost immediately I
got the same sensation that I get when I want a girl to like me...like I'm
heading towards a goal and if I screw up even once...it's the end.  I
guess my friend Gayle's right that it doesn't matter..if she likes me, she
likes me..if she doesn't, she doesn't.  But then I got depressed a little
and this other friend of mine that added me like maybe 2 hours before this
girl...messaged me and I couldn't be mean so I talked to her and she asked
me why I wasn't in bed(it was after midnight) and I explained to her why
and she's like "Don't worry...it's alright..I'm still your friend".  I
then asked how she could be my friend if she doesn't know anything about
me.  Well, she ended up saying that she's everyone's friend, but I wrote
this poem then about people who say they love me or are my friend(I get a
lot of both) that have just met me.
- ---------------------------------------
"You don't know what you're getting into"
by Seth D. Fulmer
7/8/99

You don't know 
what I look like, 
or what I sound like, 
or what I feel like.  

You have no idea 
if I smell when I stand up 
or stand up when I smell, 
or even if my smell makes 
those standing up fall down.  

When I wake up, do I smile?  
Do I wink?  for a while?  
Do I ever take my shirt off 
when I'm hot in the public eye?

When I dream, does it show?
Do I grin from ear to ear?
When I think about a girl
Do I talk about her hair?

Does it rain when I come close?
Does it pour for hours on end?
Would you kiss me in that rain
in the thunder while we're naked?

Can you stand the utter sight
of my face while perfectly sober?
If I show you my inner self
would that scare you out of mind?

If you can do these things to me
and do them without fainting
Then love me all you want
and I'll love you till you drop

Any comments/suggestions are appreciated :o)

Seth D. Fulmer
mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:53:07 EDT
From: DPS8315@aol.com
Subject: ET: drugs, other things..

In a message dated 7/7/99 9:59:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes:

> > The 70's and 80's saw many bands that built their image out of being
>  drunks
>  > and drug addicts.  ( Lynard Skynard, Molly Hatchet, Motley Crew, Guns and
>  > Roses, the list goes on) While this Image may appeal to bikers and rebel
>  flag
>  > waving  white trash, I hardly think that it has any place in Jewels
>  personal life
>  > or her professional career.
>  
>      Considering some of those bands you named were some of the biggest 
bands
>  of their time, I think the appeal was to more than bikers &
>  rebel-flag-waving white trash... I also don't think it's necessarily fair 
to
>  characterize any of them as having built their whole image out of being
>  drunks & drug addicts... I think it comes down to a cause & effect, and I'd
>  say it's probably a lot more likely that the drug use is a result of the
>  image, rather than the image being built out of drug use.  It's kind of 
hard
>  to support a $5000-a-day coke habit when you make 500 dollars a month as a
>  member of an unknown bar band...  once you get big, drugs are real easy to
>  find... when you're not so big, drugs can be pretty expensive, in quantity.
>  
>      And, speaking of white trash, let's not forget that the young woman 
this
>  discussion is centering around lived out of her van for a while at one 
point
>  in her life... so then, who you callin' white trash, Willis?  :)  Just
>  because they ride a Harley, or live in a trailer park with a Confederate
>  flag on the wall, doesn't mean they're incapable of liking Jewel's music, 
or
>  that they're fans of people with drug addict images...  let's not
>  over-generalize here.

First of all, hi sam :)  and kevin, thanx for replying to rizzolues message 
cause i got blown last night and even though i've showered and bathed I can 
still smell the vodka and I can still see the blood in the toliet..the point 
being someone needed to rip boy-wonder out of his dream world and into the 
reality that it's still all about money...  speaking of life, of course.  If 
you could simplify life, it would all come down to a fat wad of 
benjamins..simply because money is the best thing that mankind could come up 
with to measure the success of his life.   Case in point: Big Tobacco pays 
Big Dollars to hand out their free cigarettes at JEWELS concerts and theres 
not a damned thing that you or I or Jewel can do about it, because the money 
that is there is too tempting, I'm talking big time, big dollars, where Jewel 
is right now, not where she was 6 years ago, or where you say that you are 
now.  

If you want to say that the cigarettes comprimise the 'art' of her music, 
then I'll support you 100%    Of course its a sick ideaology....  esp given 
your situation!  Take their money, use it and abuse it, and if it get 10 
people or 100 people addicted to smoking, it really wont matter because the 
money that you took from them can very simply be used for one good thing: 
you.  your success..call it egocentrical, call it self-whatever, because it 
is, but that's not to say that there's anything wrong with that.  Take their 
money become a success story and THEN people might listen to what you have to 
say, but as it stands now, all you do is irritate people on my end of the 
'information super highway', because you're too stubbornly stuck on your 
'principles' and preserving the 'art' of the music you create...  but if you 
wont "take their money and run say its been swell sweetheart but it was just 
one of those things those things you've got to call so get out on the streets 
girls and bust your butts.."

hahahaha I just started rambling didn't I?  the point of that last paragraph 
was simple: Rizioule, you made a mistake in chosing preservation of art and 
principles over money.  Its all about money, and unless you're willing to 
accept and ABUSE that fact, then your art will never triumph.

On the matter of Guns and Roses and big bands of the 70s and 80s, I wanted to 
make one minor comment that has absolutely no relevance:  when I was a kid I 
had a paper route like every other little kid.  i went to the mall and bought 
two tapes with one of my first paychecks: one was a two song single: The 
Beach Boys "Kokomo" and "tuti fruiti" by little richard.  The other tape was 
a Guns N Roses tape...the one with paradise city on it.  I wasn't a normal 
kid,,,didn't have a normal childhood, and I didn't listen to a lot of music 
when I was younger, but I heard that song on the radio one night... u93s top 
nine at nine...the number one song: "Take me down to the paradise city where 
the grass is green and the girls are pretty"       despite my intelligence 
when I was younger, I was quite oblivious to drugs, and I didn't give a damn 
about the band or advertisers I just liked the music and the idea of the 
song...

I'm not white trash.  I'm not even white.  The point is that Guns N Roses is 
as much art as Jewel is, !and! cigarettes dont degrade from it...  drugs are 
as american as apple pie..

and while i'm rambling on about things, underage drinking is american too.    
 it is breaking the law, and I wholeheartedly accept the moto that civil 
disobeidience doesn't change anything, but at the same time, "A man has the 
right..the duty..to do at anytime what he thinks right."  MLK Jr broke 
laws...  and if you want to give me BS about these being two different 
things, you're wrong.  civil rights were denied to women...and women got 
their rights...and they were denied to blacks..and blacks have their rights, 
but children will never have their rights.

hi jon-even though you and I only talked once or twice..  do you remember the 
fish family?
and hi to mike!  where ya been?  I never did understand the duck soup thing..
naomi, even though you're not here, hi :)
Jamie, who i haven't talked to since she moved around.. hi
and lastly to Ben, a man who's poetry and wisdom I admire, hello

i have something else to say, I'm sure, sure as you are, but I'll stop the 
pain here....and supplement a poem for my -humble- opinions :)

"Forgotten"
I remember
how one day I recalled
that not so long ago
I was reviewing the fact
that one week ago
	-to this day,
I was reminiscing
that when I was a young man
I spent my nights
re-tracting the happenings
that I cannot now
recollect.
______
"West of the City"
outside the city
wehre fields run unabashed for their eternities
where the days seem slower,
and where the food is more american, 
outside the city, 
is the air sweeter?
are the rain storms more brilliant?
west of your city
lies country- called America, 
where the neighbors seem more neighborly, 
and where you can see the 
greatness of the times
of the life of this nation,
forged by the back and by the brow
of its people..
make sure that you travel
outside of your city
and find an old farmer sitting on a rocking chair
in his overalls
watching the sun setting, 
and make sure that you sit down with him
and admire the sunset with him
on his porch at night, 
and listen to the sweetness 
of the country
which lies outside the city
_____

Well, first post in a while..first poetry in a while too, not that I'm 
especially proud of it..needs revision, but for inspiration, may I suggest 
Dave Matthew's Band, a rainstorm, and some shallow light..

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:27:00 -0500
From: Courtney M Gordon <cmgordon2@juno.com>
Subject: ET: song

Dear Everyone, 
I didn't write this, it's by the Dixie Chicks, but still I felt this way
a while ago.
just thought I'd post it.

"Once You've Loved Somebody"			Dixie Chicks
I should go out tonight
get on with my life
break these chains of solitude.
With a little luck 
and a little help
I might even find myself
in the arms of someone new.
	Chorus
	Cuz once you've loved somebody
	it ain't that easy to do.
	Once you've loved somebody 
	like I loved you.
Look what you've gone and done.
Ruined everything for anyone
who tries to steal this heart of will.
I can't get you off of my mind
tried to tell myself a million times
"A little time is all it takes"
	chorus
I gave you everything 
that I had to give.
i don't know if I 
can go that far again.
	chorus 2x

love and luck always
Courtney
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:47:20 EDT
From: BRONCOBAND@aol.com
Subject: Re: ET: Re: Re: Police Want Steve?

<< > Jewel sings about God, Truth and things of the spirit.
 > Steve sings about a cigarette burn on a chair and some baseball players
 > gonads while giving beer to little kids. <<

Excuse me, maybe someone can back me up on this, but has someone forgotten 
that Jewel and Steve have written a lot of songs TOGETHER.  Some of them are 
down to earth, I guess, but most that I've heard are silly as all get out 
:o).  And if I'm also not mistaken, if you listen to some of the unreleased 
Jewel material, you'll find that some of her own songs aren't presented with 
a Godly, good natured message.  My mom hears me listen to it all the time on 
the computer, real audio, and she said to me "Jewel talks about cigarettes a 
lot in her music."  

>>but his music and his depth of thought are more suited to a beach bar than
> a Jewel concert.<<

What I'm getting at here is I don't see how his music isn't suited for 
Jewel's concert when their music can actually be a lot alike at times and 
when they've written so many songs together (including a good little bit of 
what I've seen on Steve's setlists in this tour).  So, while I hope I didn't 
upset or offend anyone, I'd just like to say that I'm glad Steve is on board 
for the music aspect of it, anyway.  

Now the alcohol and cigarettes on the other hand...my dad is an alcoholic and 
my parents divorced because of it and / I've grown to hate cigarettes because 
all of my parents (biological and step) smoke and I hate breathing it.  I 
will just try to let those things go because I'm not prepared to make a 
judgment on who's doing some of that is, and I love the music.

Have a good day everyone!  Hope that made sense to you.

Laura

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:02:04 EDT
From: Angeljlr98@aol.com
Subject: ET: Re:  oh my, Riz...

Sorry I just have to comment...Riz, I have to point out a few flaws in this 
little essay you wrote...

In a message dated 7/7/99 6:27:37 PM, you wrote:

<<I cannot figure out what he could possibly be trying to convey through
these actions. Or why Jewel would allow this at her shows.>>

He's trying to convey fun...he's not making her drink them or anything...he 
got somebody over 18 there, remember?  It's just a joke.  Also...Jewel has 
absolutely nothing to do with STEVE's part of HIS show.  Sure, if she really 
felt strongly against it...she could say something...but she probably thought 
it was as funny as the rest of us!

<<As far as him being drunk at the concerts, I do not know if this is true
or not, but if it is true, I fear that the end of Steves tour with Jewel is
close at hand.>>

Then you obviously don't know anything about him.  I don't recall Steve ever 
NOT being drunk at a concert.

<<While this Image may appeal to bikers and rebel flag waving  white trash, I
hardly think that
it has any place in Jewels personal life or her professional career.>>

Well, she's seemed to be okay with it for the past 4 years.

<<(cut whole spiel about cigarettes, and blah blah blah)>>

Rizzy...you smoke.

<<Let's just hope that somewhere in her cute little body, she finds the grit
to stand up to
these oppressors. No matter what the cost.>>

Ya know, there is a chance that she could have allowed this...it's not that 
big a deal Riz...it's not like they were passing them out to 10 year olds or 
anything...it's pretty damn probable that the people who took cigarettes from 
those people either already smoke and are just saving money, or getting them 
for someone else to save them money.

<<( See what kind of crazy crap you think up when you are drunk )>.

Not even gonna comment.

<<It seems that everything he does is a joke, including his music.
As soon as he gets back home he will probably kick my ass for saying so,
but his music and his depth of thought are more suited to a beach bar than
a Jewel concert.>>

That is awfully judgemental of you considering that if you had the guts to 
say it, that means you haven't heard any of Steve's music.  

<<Jewel sings about God, Truth and things of the spirit.>>

Well, dammit...fuck off Jewel, cuz I don't believe in God, I don't care for 
the truth, and the thinkgs of the spirit can kiss my ass.

<<Steve sings about a cigarette burn on a chair and some baseball players
gonads
while giving beer to little kids.>>

LOL...speaking of which...he wrote that song with Jewel

<<Jewel will soon give Steve the boot. Long friendship notwithstanding>>

HA....I don't think so.

Sorry, Riz...your post just gotta rise out of me.

Jamie

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