From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #197 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, July 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 197 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Sad love poems [Karen Miller ] Re: ET: 2 [Angeljlr98@aol.com] Re: ET: 2 [nicole irene kline ] ET: Re: * My first Jewel Concert [ICURMINE@aol.com] Re: ET: 2 ["C. C. & S." ] ET: Song of David [~* cymbaline *~ ] ET: Re: Police Want Steve? ["Rizioule" ] ET: Re: Re: Police Want Steve? ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:01:38 -0700 From: Karen Miller Subject: ET: Sad love poems here are some poems i wrote about a guy who hurt me very badly "How he broke my heart" you were my first love I would have died for you....... killed.. done anything the world.... then you did it.. you broke my heart... but I didn't know you broke it I thought it me just be crazy...... little did I know those names were meant to hurt me but I didn't notice....... when slowly those names were destroying me bit by bit then once you found out I loved you those names became worse and I became more in love until.........now...... I finally told some one and it turns out what you were saying was harassment...... sexual harassment.... so the words you were saying were wrong mean cruel wrong hurtful battering so my dreams were crushed..... and now I am alone I am alone and wanting some one to fill this empty heart when ever I see you my ex love I want to make you feel hurt bleed in pain for what you did to me "Phil" Life is so very hard and so very rough but you have to stay with it you have to stick it out Or else you might never meet your true love . For an instant I was happy thrilled excited with the thought of him when she said that we unconsciously always sit across from each other then I remember how much he hurt so I turned away was I foolish? I damn myself for loving him yet I yearn to feel his touch am I mad or just obsessed? Does he even know that I still think of him even though he hurt me so much? Does he realize that? Does he even know that when he says those cruel words to me it hurts? That when he speaks it like an angel's voice yet also it is like the devils. I damn myself to hell for this, I will never for give myself for loving him. NEVER!!!! For I am not one to remain hopeless but that is too late I am stupid and I am obsessed with him. "Rape" I wish he would have instead of me being crazy i wish he would have raped me instead of the names i would have mor elikely been able to get over that easier but instead he called me names and broke my heart..... i wish he would have raped me.. holly questions comments wanted My love is cruel as the night, she steals the sun and shuts out the light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:48:49 EDT From: Angeljlr98@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: 2 I just wanted to say hello to some people... Sam, my god, your poetry just gets better and better...you can really see how much you've grown in it =) Also, hello to Naomi, Jon of course, Doc (what the hell happened to you?), James (you, too...you guys alive?), and everyone else out there. =) jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:07:53 -0700 From: nicole irene kline Subject: Re: ET: 2 hey guys...for those of you who dont know, naomi wont be online all summer...im sending her some snail mail soon though, so if anyone wants a message included, feel free to email me or the list and ill print it up and add it to my letter. she'd love that :) nicole At 02:48 AM 7/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >I just wanted to say hello to some people... > >Sam, my god, your poetry just gets better and better...you can really see how >much you've grown in it =) >Also, hello to Naomi, Jon of course, Doc (what the hell happened to you?), >James (you, too...you guys alive?), and everyone else out there. =) > >jamie > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:53:11 EDT From: ICURMINE@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: * My first Jewel Concert In a message dated 7/7/99 3:07:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, LilAngeI3@aol.com writes: << Hey EDAs! I dont really write much, but I figured I would give it a try. I have tickets to the Jewel concert in Chicago (anyone else going?). >> well now I know at least one other EDA is goin to Chicago, besides myself and one other. The question is though "Is anyone else goin??" I asked myself the other week, but got no responses so this is attempt #2. Tim the paper angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:54:45 -0700 From: "C. C. & S." Subject: Re: ET: 2 > Sam, my god, your poetry just gets better and better...you can really see how > much you've grown in it =) wow jamie...thank you so much! now let's see some of yours, eh? > > Also, hello to Naomi, Jon of course, Doc (what the hell happened to you?), > James (you, too...you guys alive?), and everyone else out there. =) i'll second that! doc, where the hell did you go? naomi's on vacation i know. jon, don't forget to write me. hi james and all the rest of you. do i have to say something contraversial to get all of you out of your shells??? - -sam the ? angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:02:09 PDT From: ~* cymbaline *~ Subject: ET: Song of David this is my tribute to David Gilmour (of Pink Floyd) "Song of David" Lying in a field of green, staring at the moonlit sky, hypnotized. Stars twinkling, blinking, winking at me, shining down, caressing me. I like it here, all by myself, alone and isolated with my thoughts and the echo of a voice filling the air with a beautiful, melodic sound. He is a god. Indeed, he is. His eyes, his lips, he is an image... a symbol of perfection. His song embraces and captivates me he steals my soul. I will not ask for it back as long as I hear more from his sensuous lips. A child with only a dream, am I, to dance in the starlight, in his arms. He dances in spirit, I dance with air, his melody moves over me swiftly. With closed eyes, I twirl around in circles, My arms, they turn to wings. My feet are lifted off the ground and just like him, I learned to fly. Thank you. Peace, cymbaline _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:09:44 -0700 From: "Rizioule" Subject: ET: Re: Police Want Steve? I saw Steve giving beer to that little girl in Irvine and I must say I found it quite innapropriate. ( along with the free cigarrettes they were passing out) I did not know that he pulled the same stunt in S.D. as well. I cannot figure out what he could possibly be trying to convey through these actions. Or why Jewel would allow this at her shows. As far as him being drunk at the concerts, I do not know if this is true or not, but if it is true, I fear that the end of Steves tour with Jewel is close at hand. The 70's and 80's saw many bands that built their image out of being drunks and drug addicts. ( Lynard Skynard, Molly Hatchet, Motley Crew, Guns and Roses, the list goes on) While this Image may appeal to bikers and rebel flag waving white trash, I hardly think that it has any place in Jewels personal life or her professional career. I am constantly convinced that when good is afoot, evil is close at hand trying to undo everything . This was most recently demonstrated to me while planning the New Orleans Gathering of Angels. It became clear that I would have to cancel the show due to lack of finances, and who came out of the woodwork to save the day ? The cigarette companies ! They discussed with me heafty sums for advertising. All I had to do was add their name to my advertising. I could literally see them licking their tobbacco stained lips in anticipation of getting to all of Jewels fans through my shows. I must admit that I was tempted to take the easy way out and accept their money. I thought of all kinds of ways I could use their own advertising dollars to make fools of them, Like bring my ( and Jewels) friend, Sammy from Java Joes along as a mascot. Sammy recently had most of his throat removed because of cigarettes and now has to breath through a hole in his neck. Boy that would have been a slap in their face eh ? ( You play with Rizzy and you're playing with fire baby : ) Anyway, I thought of you guys and how cute and sweet you are, and I just couldn't do it. Thats the real reason there is no Gathering of Angels Concert in New Orleans this week. Jason Mraz and myself are in basically the same position Jewel was in 6 years ago, broke, and basically homeless if you consider that we are thousands of miles from home and living with generous friends. Now if I can cancel my show to avoid doing what I think is wrong, Why dosen't Jewel remove these negative elements from her shows ? The whole set up at Irvine provides many clues. It appears to me that Jewel has lost control of her own shows. Now before you guys say, "No Way, Jewel is in command," let me let you in on a few facts. The people who promote these shows are very experienced at what they do. They were picking the brown M&Ms out of Led Zeppelins candy bowls before Jewel was born. They have, along the way, learned to kiss ass in a manner that is very benificial to their bottom lines. They are hard core, and they do not give a damn about you, me, God or Jewel. They care about money, and they will do anything to increase the gross of each booking. (Cigarettes were free, beer was $7 a cup, do you really think Jewel had anything to do with this? I don't think so.) Jewel may seem tough when she tells bothersome fans to F*** off, but in reality she is just a girl. Her and Nedra are probably the only ones in her camp that truly share her vision. Even the poeple in her direct employ are there out of mainly self interest. Concert promoters ( A historically shady bunch to begin with,sorry Bill S.) likely see her as an airhead dreamer that can sell tickets this month. Do you really think that after Jewels run on the top is over they will go around touting her philosopies ? No. These are the people that tell Jewel to F*** off . It is basically their way or the hi-way. If Jewel were to say, "Hey you can't give away cigarettes at my concert" they would say, " Shut up and do what you are told," Jewels only recourse would be to refuse the booking. Think about it . What other leverage does she have ? So, we are witnessing an artist, who's art is compromised by the very fact that she is successful. Let's just hope that somewhere in her cute little body, she finds the grit to stand up to these oppressors. No matter what the cost. As far as Steve is concerned, I hope that if he is having problems with alchohol addiction, (A very ugly thing indeed) he will somehow find his way back into the light. His giving beer to a little girl is a horrible message to all who witnessed it. Some of you have said, "It was just a joke " Yes, a joke born out of ignorance. What could he possibly be thinking. ( See what kind of crazy crap you think up when you are drunk ) It seems that everything he does is a joke, including his music. As soon as he gets back home he will probably kick my ass for saying so, but his music and his depth of thought are more suited to a beach bar than a Jewel concert. Jewel sings about God, Truth and things of the spirit. Steve sings about a cigarette burn on a chair and some baseball players gonads while giving beer to little kids. ( I don't care who's kid it was or if the bottles were empty, that does not make one bit of difference, it was wrong ) My prediction ? Jewel will soon give Steve the boot. Long friendship notwithstanding. She has probably lain awake many nights wondering how to do it tactfully. He is her friend, and from all the people I know, that know him, he is a nice guy. But he does not belong performing at Jewels concert. Perhaps if he spent a little time as a listener rather than a performer he would understand Jewels message more clearly and realize that through his irresponsible actions, he is undermining everything she stands for. Rizioule World of Rizioule http://www.homestead.com/rizioule/ http://www.homestead.com/GatheringofAngels/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:46:56 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: Police Want Steve? > I saw Steve giving beer to that little girl in Irvine and I must say > I found it quite innapropriate. ( along with the free cigarrettes they were > passing out) I'll agree with that... it is inappropriate, if for no other reason than because it's illegal. I don't know that I necessarily agree with the legal drinking age we have, but as long as it's the law, it's the law... civil disobedience in this case isn't going to do much to change it -- (and if you don't believe me, try calling your Senator when you're drunk, see if you can convince him to fight for lowering the legal drinking age. :) > The 70's and 80's saw many bands that built their image out of being drunks > and drug addicts. ( Lynard Skynard, Molly Hatchet, Motley Crew, Guns and > Roses, the list goes on) While this Image may appeal to bikers and rebel flag > waving white trash, I hardly think that it has any place in Jewels personal life > or her professional career. Considering some of those bands you named were some of the biggest bands of their time, I think the appeal was to more than bikers & rebel-flag-waving white trash... I also don't think it's necessarily fair to characterize any of them as having built their whole image out of being drunks & drug addicts... I think it comes down to a cause & effect, and I'd say it's probably a lot more likely that the drug use is a result of the image, rather than the image being built out of drug use. It's kind of hard to support a $5000-a-day coke habit when you make 500 dollars a month as a member of an unknown bar band... once you get big, drugs are real easy to find... when you're not so big, drugs can be pretty expensive, in quantity. And, speaking of white trash, let's not forget that the young woman this discussion is centering around lived out of her van for a while at one point in her life... so then, who you callin' white trash, Willis? :) Just because they ride a Harley, or live in a trailer park with a Confederate flag on the wall, doesn't mean they're incapable of liking Jewel's music, or that they're fans of people with drug addict images... let's not over-generalize here. > Now if I can cancel my show to avoid doing what I think is wrong, > Why dosen't Jewel remove these negative elements from her shows ? Well... I would say the most obvious answer would be that she really doesn't care enough to say anything about it, or to try to put a stop to it... it may well be that it just doesn't bother her that much (or at all...). > It appears to me that Jewel has lost control of her own shows. > Now before you guys say, "No Way, Jewel is in command," let me let you in on > a few facts. [....] (Cigarettes were free, beer was $7 a cup, > do you really think Jewel had anything to do with this? I don't think so.) I think the real question is, did she ever have any "control of her shows" to lose?? > Jewel may seem tough when she tells bothersome fans to F*** off, but in > reality she is just a girl. Heh.... "just a girl"? :) > If Jewel were to say, "Hey you can't give away cigarettes at my concert" > they would say, " Shut up and do what you are told," > Jewels only recourse would be to refuse the booking. > Think about it . What other leverage does she have ? Jewel could say that, and the venue would more likely say, "Oh yeah? Go take a flying leap, kid. We'll cancel YOUR show, and book someone else who doesn't care about whether or not we give away cigarettes." (How many bands out there would kill for the chance to play a good-sized venue? There's plenty that can draw in enough folks to fill the venue, I'm sure...) > So, we are witnessing an artist, who's art is compromised by the very fact > that she is successful. I don't know that I'd really say her art is being compromised... if she feels strongly about these issues, and isn't saying anything about it, well... I'd say that's more a matter of personal beliefs being compromised... on the other hand, she may not care about the issues, like I said before. > Let's just hope that somewhere in her cute little body, she finds the grit > to stand up to these oppressors. No matter what the cost. Do you *really* think she's going to go back to living in her van and playing coffee shops over the issue of free cigarettes at her concert? :) > His giving beer to a little girl is a horrible message to all who witnessed > it. Some of you have said, "It was just a joke " > Yes, a joke born out of ignorance. What could he possibly be thinking. > ( See what kind of crazy crap you think up when you are drunk ) You must know as well as I do, though, that most of the time, a lot of the stupid stuff you do when you're drunk is PERFECTLY logical & sane at the time... :) > It seems that everything he does is a joke, including his music. > As soon as he gets back home he will probably kick my ass for saying so, > but his music and his depth of thought are more suited to a beach bar than > a Jewel concert. I have a couple different thoughts on this -- Jewel's music & philosophy are nice, but I don't know that I'd particularly call them "deep", as you seem to be implying. Her basic message of "Be nice to other people, help other people out" isn't quite the most novel & deep idea in the world... don't get me wrong, it's a good message, one that bears repeating in this day & age... but I'd tend to think of that as a fairly common philosophy. Now, that said... there's nothing wrong with music being written & performed just for the sake of fun, or as a joke... I'd get pretty bored with music if was always preaching to me with some "message" or another... sometimes a message is nice, and sometimes, you just want to hear Weird Al sing about living in an Amish Paradise. :) > Jewel sings about God, Truth and things of the spirit. > Steve sings about a cigarette burn on a chair and some baseball players > gonads while giving beer to little kids. ( I don't care who's kid it was or if the > bottles were empty, that does not make one bit of difference, it was wrong ) Again, I'd say both types of music are just as valid and enjoyable... sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. :) > My prediction ? > Jewel will soon give Steve the boot. Long friendship notwithstanding. > She has probably lain awake many nights wondering how to do it tactfully. > He is her friend, and from all the people I know, that know him, he is a > nice guy. I think you're sanctifying Jewel a little too much, here... seeing as she's the headliner, I'd imagine that if she's that afraid of saying something to Steve, she could have just about anybody on the tour management team boot Steve, and play innocent, saying, "Well, they said you were doing illegal stuff on stage, and we shouldn't risk the potential legal damage... I'm so sorry, I didn't know they were going to do this." Problem solved, and she doesn't have to give him the boot personally. I'd say this is symptomatic of Jewel just not caring about Steve giving a beer to a 14 year old girl... if she's been agonizing over it for months, I think she would've found a way to do it by now. > But he does not belong performing at Jewels concert. And I'd say that's a pretty harsh judgement call... crucifying Steve isn't going to make him any more receptive to changing his ways, I don't think. Yes, it is and was a bad call on Steve's part to be handing out beer to minors... but I don't think he should be drawn & quartered over it, either. :) If any one of us went out and bought a case of beer for a minor, we'd be fined, and probably put on probation for a couple months, first offense... I'd be really surprised at much worse than that... why should we hang him up by his thumbs for doing something that I see people do for underage drinkers all the time? Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease "... no I don't need a miracle / but I could use a push in the right direction..." ---(The Refreshments, "Interstate")--- ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #197 **********************************