From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #180 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, June 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 180 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Re: the supposed "EDA concert" ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ET: FINALLY the Facts ["Rizioule" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:39:31 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: the supposed "EDA concert" Caution: A long, opinionated letter follows. (So what else is new, from me? :) If you don't want to read it, delete it now. If you do want to read it, great, be my guest. I'm not writing this for my health. :) - -- Jamie (angeljlr98@aol.com) writes: > Due to all of the special guests coming Saturday (Elizabeth Hummell, Jason > Mraz, Nedra, the EDAFs and the HGH peeps), I was informed that after a > previous confirmation that I was, I won't be singing Saturday...only 2 EDAs > will. This is just complete b.s. [...] As somebody who isn't going to be there, regardless of who's playing, since I'm in sunny Massachusetts, I'd say I qualify as a fairly impartial observer, and I have to say, I think Jamie has a very legitimate complaint here... It's been interesting watching this concert evolve from a (and I'm quoting here from the first email sent out to the public about it...) "San Diego EDA concert and gathering", with "a number of performers including myself ( Rizioule ) and a handful of EDA musicians." At the beginning, there was mention of one "performance by a very special guest." Now it sounds to me like we've got an awful lot of special guests, and very few people in that "handful" of EDA musicians... last time I checked, 2 doesn't really constitute a handful... The only constant theme I've seen throughout all of the emails about these concerts has been the notification that "Rizioule will be playing." While I'm sure this wasn't a "plot" to get a bunch of people to show up just for himself, the arrangements just sound like they're becoming more and more self-serving, to me. If I were a struggling artist, rather than a software engineer, I know I'd jump at the chance to play with "bigger" names, too... but I think that, if you're going to bill it as an "EDA concert," that it should actually *be* an "EDA Concert" - not three "headlining" special guests and 2 "get-on-sing-get-off" performances by EDAs... Bumping people who have already been confirmed as having slots to perform is just plain bad form, regardless of who the "special guests" are. I don't care if *Jewel* decides to show up at the last minute and wants to sing, you don't bump people who have already been told they have performance time. Extend the length of the event if you want, or tell the "special guests", "Sorry, we're booked solid, maybe next time..." To do anything else (like what has already been done, apparently...) is, to me, remarkably unprofessional, disrespectful, and just plain rude. I don't know who "owns" this concert, in terms of organizing it & scheduling it (although I suspect it's Rizioule...), but, whoever you are, you could stand to learn a few lessons about common courtesy. If you'd be pissed off that someone did it to you, don't do it to someone else - simple as that. If I had been planning to go to this show, I think that, after hearing how somebody's treating the musical lineup, I'd probably decide to do something more constructive with my time, like stay home, sleep late, and wax my toes. (An exaggeration... but I think you get the point.) But, I guess on the bright side for the "special guests," they'll probably have a good sized audience, courtesy of the various EDA lists... is that self-serving? You betcha. Probably not intentionally... but I think somebody's thinking about number one at the expense of things like common courtesy. That's it, my 2 cents. If you don't like it, feel free to yell at me... I have thick skin, and I'm always open to differing opinions. If you do like it, you can yell at me, too, but I don't think I really see the point in doing that. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease/ "... no I don't need a miracle / but I could use a push in the right direction..." ---(The Refreshments, "Interstate")--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Vierling Subject: ET: NJC:Gathering of Angels Weekend...EXPOSED!!!!!!!! Hi. I'm Jason. You've all heard from me before. It was a crazy idea I bounced off Riz that started this whole mess so I accept whatever blame people need satisfied. Cast your stones now..I have been thru (am going thru) worse. It has not been well established, but there are in fact 2 (two) concerts on Saturday. One day of music... 2 (two) shows...back to back...creating one near seamless experience. One show is ALL EDA talent. Period. Not fillers or by products...just one hundred percent (100%) pure EDA entertainment. The second is a showcase of the fabulous local talent pool that spawned the likes of Jewel and Steve Poltz amongst others. One great day of musical wonderment right on the beach and then we see Jewel...what could be simpler? I wouldn't be writing this email if things were that simple I suppose. In fact, it was these complications (overabundance of performers,events,fun,etc) that led to the creation of the second Irvine show. (That and we didn't have a Gathering thing goin for that day due to my current legal entanglements surrounding my house nuff said bout that!). I am not in agreement with the original material stipulation, but the point was made that it would eliminate haggling over covered material and eliminate kareoke performances. This concert since it's inception was about giving EDAs a first look at the emerging talent within our own group. Since it has been like pulling teeth to get anyone (with a few notable exceptions) to come forward with any real/clear presentaion of their abilities or intended setlists, I can't help but feel that this is a convenient way for those who might have been roped into performing against their will to get out of performing. I regret that the day on Saturday isn't the small little intimate flop that most know Gatherings to be, but this idea became an event of its own violition. No one was meant to be excluded or insulted, the only intent was to add more as the ability and opportunity arose. If anything, we stand before you guilty of no more than poor communication. We wanted this day to be a gift for all EDAs both in attendance and far away. That's all. Lori has been a marvel and Riz a dynamo trying to mold and contain into some workable design this beast that nearly slipped free its reins. And on their first try this line up is what they managed. This has been a learning experience for all and only better things will come. I will be the first to say this isn't what I originally hoped it would be. However, for what it is I couldn't be more excited. Whether you assemble to cast stones or hear great music, I hope to see you all in San Diego or another Gathering soon. === Take Care Angels, Jason "Damn proud to be the MC at this Gathering of Angels" V Arunsun on IRC & ICQ Arnsun on AOL IM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:38:55 -0700 From: "C. C. & S." Subject: ET: peace part II some more for the hungry angels... *smile* ~~~~~~~ she closes her eyes to things she doesn't want to see she seals her lips, not to tell, maybe from feeling guilty guilty why? from believing, from recieving, from letting herself go before she could really know the price. the price, the game, the pain that grabbed her as even in its sharp grasp she smiled, and even as it sank its teeth she knew, would know, had always known the price of love, had always known that fain should she cease to fall before she stands, churl the cruel hold that torture had on her soul, choke the broken glance that always sensed, yet would not believe until it was too late its fate, kill the unwept desire to grip her grace, and rip her from the shreds of her unknowing, the pangs of her blindness, the depth of her aching mind. believing in her lonely silence to pay a price far above diamonds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ things that were not meant to be should not have taken place, as you have left me, here, in this empty room, alone on a trashed flor. The lampshades hang crooked in confusion, but they are bullshit compared to me. I'm the wreck now in your daydream, and I never felt a blaming singe in all my untamed life. When you use my name in a line, you only remove yourself from it. Drunk all my faith, my trust, my longing to be heard. and I never would be one to blame, I was always the joyful girl of the rundown mile. I want to kill this desire to slice myself, to open the pale skin of my mentality and reveal the pulsing dying pain that echoes there in its untainted, unending torture. This crazy wanting to be heard, to feel if only to be missed. I always was, will always be an angel, your angel, the contained songwriter who organizes her jealousy into unlocked shelves of purified clean perfume. No matter that I screamed "hoe!", disregard that she has gone where I would never go. It's just the melodies, playing around in my head, messing with my reasoning. I hate it that I can't really claim to be free from fury. You see I am quite the bitch, if I let myself, but am also an aching woman, a premature goddess in disguise if you will, and I am no ttrying to flatter myself. I have flaws, I'm too dramatic. But if I'm a drama, it's what I am, and so fuck its not being real, because it is. Honesty never killed anyone, confusion almost did, and love always does, always has, always will continue to do so. They're just the realities we face in this hazy world. ~~~~~~~~~~ === so i pull my collar up and face the cold, on my own. the earth laughs beneath my heavy feet -smashing pumpkins === ~~~~~~~~~ Peace (in a yellowed state of mind) sm 6/23/99 until tonight I never dared to dream I thought that nothingness was a state of kind and I wandered down its empty streets to find darkness and unending pain, it seemed and I longed, I discovered peace in a yellowed state of mind I walked to the only open door and within the unfolding shadows I could see a figure that was soon right next to me across a blank and screaming floor I thought this was who I came to find and so earnestly I began to speak and soon my eyes and legs grew weak in the hollow sense of being blind it was now they spoke slowly and with strength this is not what you're looking for, they said I too came here, I have wound up dead if here you remain it swallows you at length and so I turned and ran with all my might across the empty shadowed lane and as I ran I finally felt my pain and melting black slowly gave back my sight until tonight I had yet to dream and it's rushed upon me unblocked and free somehow in this sweet sadness now on me I saw nothingness kills more than it seemed and what I came to find, here I found it was peace in a yellowed state of mind ~~~~~~ and out of the haze she comes to you, an angel with lost dreams and in her teary eyes she gives to you, the angel tells you things you say I never thought an angel could feel so hurt & alone I always thought that lovliness meant you felt at home her smile radiates she melts through she seems a part of you how much you have to learn, she says, she sees through she came to you sighs because she's an angel with lost dreams and she wants someone else to fill her lonliness, she says please all I want is a little tenderness and you don't know how to give this tragic angel love and so you turn your back saying go back to above if you've never seen before a loving angel die then you've never truly known what it is to cry around you seems a bursting pain and too late you see the one last tear a deep dying light of an angel with lost dreams ~~~~~ kill the doubt now I know what's real in this world nothing is worth the pretentious glare I have recieved till now I lost my soul lost my way, I lost my mind till now I'd never seen the truth of pain the life of love the death of hate faded the remorse resent no altar I had not known I'd never seen and till now I never dreamed I lost my heart I lost my mind lost my way cause I'd never seen the truth of pain the life of love the death of hate the life of love truth of pain the life of love ~~~~~~ with this pen, now cease to believe self hatred is going to drown blind desire will erode away, lonliness & contempt will not stay the insincere will prove a lie the guilt will dissolve till gone the make believe is false and wrong with this pen, now cease to believe ~~~~~~~ love always sam the ? angel ===== in the arms of the angel fly away from here -sarah mclachlan ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:59:48 -0700 From: "Rizioule" Subject: ET: FINALLY the Facts Hello Angels, Since most of you guys really don't know what is going on I will leave you with a few FACTS * No EDA performer was ever bumped from this concert tour. * All performers that have expressed an intrest in playing are ( and have been ) scheduled to perform at one of the concerts. I do not handle musician bookings so I am not exactly sure who is scheduled where *ALL of the musicians scheduled to perform at this event are EDA's ( Jewel fans ). Including the Featured performers So in reality that would be about 7 to 10 EDA's performing Please do not continue to think that only people on these mailing lists are EDA's. It is simply not true. * My Grandmother is an EDA ( Some of you may not think so, as she has no computer) I am truly amazed at how little those, who think they know it all, really know. I have worked night and day on this project for months. Many, many times I have woked 24 hours straight, with my friends shoving food in my face so I did not forget to eat I have spent hundreds of dollars of my own money, And between myself and others literally thousands of hours have gone into making this Dream into a REALITY. These 2 concerts have been through 4 different venues and the effects of a war. Many of you may remember that both events underwent total restructuring : The San Diego Event was originally planned at Java Joe's, and our beloved friend "Wendy" got shipped off to Turkey in support of the War effort in Kosovo. The Irvine concert was originally booked at Sing Sing Piano Bar. They called up later wanting a huge cash deposit that I could not afford, so that concert was also cancelled . The bookings at Newbreak and at Sloppy Joe's ( One of the Nicest resturaunt/concert hall type places in So Cal ) were accomplished by nothing except relentless determination. I have personally sent out more than 1000 emails, made numerous trips to Los Angeles and Irvine and an unknown # of phone calls and meetings I am sorry that I havn't been a more ' Get to know ya' kind of guy with everyone on the list. There are quite a few that I regularly correspond with. I only post to the list when I have someting to say to everyone,. and since I am not really interested in broadcasting details of my personal life to 3000 people, I do not generally post chit chat. I do enjoy reading some of you guys talk, but sadly much of it is very negative. If Jewel heard some of the things you guys say, (and I am sure she has) Her heart would be broken. To say something truly positive you must seek a positive viewpoint. If this was not instilled in you by your family, or even if it was, and you just tend to look at things negatively then you must develop this positive viewpoint the hard way, like I have had to do, through gaining knowledge, and then wisdom. ( I'm still working on that part :) Then at least, even if the picture isn't so pretty, You see the TRUTH. Evil thoughts are easy to spew They fall off the tounge like oil and to the ears of the foolish, they caress like an old friend. But to others they just sound like foolishness I have seen too much darkness and I reject it I have not one moment in my day for a negative thought from any source. I really care about ALL of you, and this whole thing has been planned with you in mind. However, I refuse to be told by members of this list : how to dress, how to cut my hair what or whatnot I am allowed to say or do. Or how to run my own concert tour. I believe this is probably going to be the biggest EDA event ever held outside of a Jewel Concert. I have provided you with some of the best entertainment San Diego has to offer as well as arrainging to have these shows recorded for the benefit of all those who cannot attend, All for only 3 bucks. ( Which I don't get to keep ) So did I do it all for myself ? I really didn't do it for anybody. I saw a path and I simply followed it, thus allowing destiny to lead me. Like following a light. And I never looked into the darkness or I would have surely lost my way. This will be my final correspondance on this matter I will not be drawn into arguments If things continue to deteriorate I will stop reading the list. For those of you who think I'm a "fake" EDA or something , take a look at my paintings and listen to my music. Contrary to what someone posted earlier, There are many sound files on my website. Those who linger long may find many treasures here. " Who is this Rizioule guy anyway ? " All I can tell you about myself is where I've been, and I will do that by and by. What should really be interesting though, is where I'm going... Rizioule World of Rizioule Interactive Adventure http://www.homestead.com/rizioule/ " Gathering of Angels" Concert Tour "Music for the World to Love By" http://www.homestead.com/GatheringofAngels/ These thoughtless words are breaking my heart They're breaking my Heart Life casts its mysteries on me Through the haze, like searching for treasure I seek Wisdom and Knowledge Begins 12:00 noon June 26th at Newbreak Newbreak on the Beach on the Beach 1959 Abbott St 1959 Abbott St. Ocean Beach Ocean Beach San Diego California San Diego California And continues June 27th 12:00 noon at Sloppy Joe's 31 Fortune Drive Irvine California inside the magnificient Irvine Spectrum ( you can WALK to Jewels Concert from here ! ) Reserve you seats now at Rizioule@hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #180 **********************************