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Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: TCMafia [Fervent Spirit ] [none] [Mandabear four ] ET: hello everyone [nicole irene kline ] ET: Fwd: I tend to disagree [Trexd5@aol.com] Fwd: ET: Fwd: I tend to disagree [Trexd5@aol.com] ET: Re: what Amanda said ["Chris Sylvester" ] ET: hmmm..... ["Seimese" ] ET: Suicide Machine ["a poet on 'Bleeker Street'" ] ET: *excuse* me [Mandabear four ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:56:25 -0500 From: Fervent Spirit Subject: ET: TCMafia The "Trench Coat Mafia" has become a household name in the last few days. What were the members of this Columbine social clique really like? FNC's Carol McKinley questioned a senior member of the group: FNC: "What is the Trench Coat Mafia?" TCM: "Just a group of friends...We didn't actually call ourselves the Trench Coat Mafia. That was just a name put upon us by the rest of the school." FNC: "Who were you?" TCM: "Just average high school students who didn't quite fit in with the rest of the groups--nothing unusual." FNC: "How did folks treat you?" TCM: "Every day for four years that I had to walk home, people threw rocks and bottles and things at me and my friends. They'd taunt us and call us names. They'd threaten us." FNC: "Do you think that is why they [Klebold and Harris] did it?" TCM: "I can't say exactly why they did it...but I would say that's a large part of it." ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:59:12 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: [none] Dan, You ask why punish those who want protection? If people weren't corrupt we wouldn't need protection. By buying guns and other such weapons "just in case" you are saying that you want to contribute to the problem. What if someone gets ahold of your gun and uses it to kill another person? Are you going to take responsiblity for having the gun in the first place? You can't go around living in a bubble all your life. Why do a lot of people want to promote harmony and give others ways of solving problems besides violence, the ones who walk around with guns for protection "just in case" I mean, your house could burn down at any time, are you going to have the fire dept at your house 24-7? You could get hurt driving in a car, are you going to not drive your whole life? You can't live in a bubble and you can't constantly go areound protecting yourself from things "just in case" <3 always ~Mandabear~ The Forever Seeking Teen Angel ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:19:04 -0700 From: nicole irene kline Subject: ET: hello everyone hey! just wanted to drop you all a line...my computer got that virus last week and she's just back in commision now. but i lost all my addresses and everything else i had on my hard drive, including poetry i was saving to use for the next section 8. SO, if anyone has any poetry they want included in the next one (which will be out as soon as i retrive all that lost poetry) please email it to me at nik22@drexel.edu. oh yeah, and as for the whole columbine high school thing...i gotta agree, that guns are for our own good. people are the problem, the weapons they use are their own choice. get rid of guns, and what next? knives? if you get rid of guns, people will just think of different ways to kill people. and in my opinion, those two kids meant business. they wanted to kill everyone in that whole school...i thought that was pretty obvious when they mentioned the propane tanks. those kids could have done it all without guns. im glad (and please dont think im a jerk for saying this) that they ONLY killed 15 people and didnt make it to those tanks. what if they hadnt brought guns and just blew up the tanks, killing everyone in the school and not giving any warning whatsoever? the fact that they used those guns alerted the police and prevented those kids from killing everyone. i just sounded like a really big jerk. im not saying, thank god they killed 15 kids! im saying thank god that was all they did. they could have done a lot more damage. and i believe we as humans are desensitized to all this crap becausae we see it on tv every day and we think nothing of it. so i dont think guns should be banned. that will just lead us down a spiral of losing our freedoms. so, that's all i have to say on the matter, and that's the first, and i hope the last, time i will speak of this matter. thank you, and have a nice weekend, everyone. nicole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:58:00 EDT From: Trexd5@aol.com Subject: ET: Fwd: I tend to disagree - --part1_64e97b37.245c8c98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_64e97b37.245c8c98_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Trexd5@aol.com From: Trexd5@aol.com Full-name: Trexd5 Message-ID: <64e97b37.245c8c84@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:57:40 EDT Subject: Re: I tend to disagree To: NoWay345@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 I think people will find any way that they can to kill ..... You'll never get rid of guns... they have made drugs illegal ... people still abuse drugs... If you take away guns you only take away a form of protection... - --part1_64e97b37.245c8c98_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:03:29 EDT From: Trexd5@aol.com Subject: Fwd: ET: Fwd: I tend to disagree - --part1_df67138.245c8de1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_df67138.245c8de1_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Trexd5@aol.com From: Trexd5@aol.com Full-name: Trexd5 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:03:03 EDT Subject: Re: ET: Fwd: I tend to disagree To: erin_benoit@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Guns arnt a hoby of mine ..... But they still protect us from a lot of things... All of you people have something seriously wrong with you if you dont think that if guns are gone people wont find someting else to use..... Becasue they will !!!!!!! Guns are just something they use.. if guns are gone they'll use knives... or bats .. or something else.... It doesnt matter if guns are here or not !!!!!! If you take away guns the people who want them will find away to get the... just like underage people find away to get beer... or people find away to get drugs !!! Are you people all blind ?!?!?!??! The guns arent doing the killing ... its the people !!!!! ~Dan - --part1_df67138.245c8de1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:49:38 PDT From: "Chris Sylvester" Subject: ET: Re: what Amanda said Dan, You ask why punish those who want protection? If people weren't corrupt we wouldn't need protection. <><><><><>this, i agree with. but they are, so we do. By buying guns and other such weapons "just in case" you are saying that you want to contribute to the problem. <><><><><>I'll adress this in a moment. What if someone gets ahold of your gun and uses it to kill another person? <><><><><>then it happened. Are you going to take responsiblity for having the gun in the first place? <><><><><>yes. i would take full responsability for my having the weapon and letting it fall into the wrong hands. i carry a pocket knife around with me too. are you going to tell me that i shouldn't have that b/c it could be used to kill someone? it starts with guns, but then i'll lose my pellet rifle (i'm a target shooter), my pocket knife (i get bored, i whittle. i cut bamboo to work on my Guidon skills for my NJROTC platoon), my baseball bat (gee, i hit a ball around for the dog sometimes, but someone could kill me with it), plastic bags... nono, we can't have those, you could suffocate someone with those. see what i'm saying? if we give up one liberty under the guise of protection, then we'll eventually loose others. that's why the media is making such a big deal out of this now! they want us to willingly give it up. You can't go around living in a bubble all your life. <><><><><>true. i leave my bubble with protection (i don't carry a gun, i'm only 15, i DO carry my pocket knife in case i get mugged or something though. we live in a frightening world) Why do a lot of people want to promote harmony and give others ways of solving problems besides violence, the ones who walk around with guns for protection "just in case" I mean, your house could burn down at any time, are you going to have the fire dept at your house 24-7? <><><><><>that's not possible, but we DO stay near the toaster when it's in use, keep flames out of the house if possible, and live in a concrete block house that won't burn. You could get hurt driving in a car, are you going to not drive your whole life? <><><><><>no, we drive a large vehicle with steel reinforced sides, and drivers side/passenger side air bags, ABS, working seatbelts... just in case. You can't live in a bubble and you can't constantly go areound protecting yourself from things "just in case" <><><><><>bubbles suffocate, protection defends. also, someone said something about the NRA being bad. the NRA (National Rifle Association) stands for people like me: target shooters, and people like the guy across the street: hunters. they don't advocate carrying a gun in order to kill anything except paper targets, and animals wich people eat. i wont kill anything unless it A: attacks me, or B: i plan to eat it for dinner. THE NRA IS NOT BAD. what more do you ppl want? should we do away with US Shooting? (a TARGET SHOOTER'S club) guns are not the problem. yes, poor respect for the devestation a gun can cause is PART of the problem, but the object itself is not. teach people what death really is. they think it's a game. they don't realize that you can't just hit "reset" and start the level over. this is life. there are no cheat codes, and you only get one chance. people need to learn that. the killers know that now, as they're burning in hell (that's an assumption and a religious belief on my part. please refrain from flaming me for being Catholic, and believing that suicide is a 1 way ticket to hell. especially with that many murders before it) well, that's it for now. just think about what i said before you attack me. ~Chris, the angel who'se just learning to fly "Be nice to me. I'm your future." _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:04:45 -0400 From: "Seimese" Subject: ET: hmmm..... Hi all! I have been looking in my mail everyday and watching you all go back and forth about this whole gun thing, so I thought I would go ahead and voice my OPINION! See....Guns are a damn good form of protection and my family has plenty around the house, because society today makes it that way, we need a form of protection(we use them for other things as well! hunting and what not).With weapons or not people will still kill each other so if yall are saying guns are killing they are not, people are. I just can't even begin to tell anyone how sad and dissapointed that I am because of the way things are. I want to sleep with my window open, and drive in my car with the doors unlocked, hell I want to walk out of my house without wondering if I am ganna get killled, beat or raped today but I can't. So I have a form of protection always (in my purse). If we take it away how would that leave me or even my family...Very insecure. I understand that people are upset that guns were used to kill and that your are trying to say that things would be different of they were never made in the first place but they are and its to late to go back. You can try to make them illegal but they will still be used so we are basically S.O.L.! What people need to do is learn RESPONSIBILITY! then things would change. I am trying to understand this from both ends so nobody attack me! ~A Different Angle...Anabanana~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "a poet on 'Bleeker Street'" Subject: ET: Suicide Machine This poem is a continuation to an earlier poem of mine that I wrote last year (called "Kamikaze without wings")... Again...in this poem, I continute the motif of apathy and suicide. Yet unlike the earlier poem, this delves more into suicidal fantasies...There are suicide motifs/ideas everywhere. I even took the time & energies to mold the poem into a form of weapon. Yet I question myself what exactly is the "suicide machine"? Is it me? Or is it what drives the persona into suicide? The poem, however, is better viewed on the Web because of the shape of poem is missing in e-mail format. here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/8132/poetry/kamikaz2.html And if you're interested in the first poem that this poem continues somewhat, here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/8132/poetry/kamikaze.html Anyway tell me what you think, - -John "But the girl in car in the parking lot says "Man you should try to take a shot can't you see my walls are crumbling?" Then she looks up at the building and says she's thinking of jumping She says she's tired of life she must be tired of something"--Counting Crows (Round Here) "Suicide Machine" / "Kamikaze without wings: Chapter Two" by John Khuu The rain falls without ceasing from my eyes - blinding the kamikaze in the sky. Invisibility hides me infinitely through dawn hours or downpours. The beauty of a soul shines from a tree after he hangs himself to be free, But beauty exists not in his soul for apathy reeks taking its toll. The ceaseless pattering of rain lulls me to slumber with the pain, So that apathy surrounds and strangles me - the noose bound. I yell and scratch her - she walks by, back turned. Love is for the blessed, My dreams I lay to rest And pick up the glass shard: I feel deep and slash hard. But the blood is on your hands For I reached out but no hands Reached back or hugged back. I am your suicide So good riddance. . . good-bye. I am done for I'm the gun - yours Load me, Cock me, Twitch But don't Think, SHOOT ME. . . Dead. - --end of poem-- written on April 28, 1998 & April 29, 1999, from 11:41pm to 1:24am @glass-table Listening to "Round Here" by Counting Crows on August And Everything After album. `~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~` | Bleeker Street Cafe | = = http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/8132/ = = | maintained by a poet on 'Bleeker Street' | `~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~``~=-_-=~` ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:56:43 -0400 From: Courtney M Gordon Subject: ET: poem the cool air plays with your long brown hair. I soon find myself enveloped in your dark eyes while the midnight sun casts a beautiful shadow over us. Then I wake up and remember the love letters I send to remind you of us. Small symbols of hope that maybe you still care, and the sudden realization that you don't. comments, questions and suggestions strongly encouraged! love and luck always Courtney ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:03:49 -0400 From: Mandabear four Subject: ET: *excuse* me Dan and others, First of all, there is no need for the name calling. My comments aren't "smartass" Dan. They are my opinion and you needn't be so hostile just because you don't agree. I could be disrespectful and tell you what I think of you but I won't because that is not in my nature. Do not pass judgement like that please. Second of all, you shouldn't have to live your life in a bubble. That's not how God wanted it. He put Adam and Eve in paradis with no clothes. They didn't have weapons to ward off the violence of animals or anything. It's a little different then than it is now because there weren't any other humans around then but I think you all get my point. If God wanted us to live in a bubble He would have put us in one. And no, you shouldn't have to feel unsafe in your house. I don't feel unsafe in my house and I live in the most violent crack filled neighborhood in my town and among the other towns within a 20 mile radius. If I can feel safe in my neighborhood, why can't you? I'm sure you live in better conditions. Correct me if I'm wrong. Chris, I'm glad that you would take responsibility for the misuse of your gun or other weapon if it fell into the wrong hands. That is reasurring. The use of your pocket knife (whittling) is cool. I'm glad you use it responsibly. That's a funny comment..."bubbles suffocate...protection defends...." yes bubble do suffocate but you don't need the type of protecttion we are talking about (guns, knives) to protect. There are other ways of defending yourself. Oh, and you shouldn't apologize for your religious beliefs...they are yours and no on can take them away from you. Also, if people are going to judge by religion then they can go screw themselves becasue you should be proud of your religion no matter what it is and no matter what anyone says about it. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #126 **********************************