From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #68 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Saturday, March 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 068 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: the list is closing tomorrow...NOT!! :-) [Mike Connell ] ET: I appreciate this list immensly! [Rachel ] ET: a common goal/high horses [ABershaw@aol.com] ET: All this HOOPLA! ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ET: gone? [Miles and Prystowsky ] ET: Re: gone? ["Kevin B. Pease" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:37:23 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: ET: the list is closing tomorrow...NOT!! :-) OK...so I spoke too soon. Things have changed quite dramatically...... I was dealing with a lot of heavy sh*t, and then some new baggage came along yesterday that seemingly dictated a need/reason for this list to shut down. That is no longer the case. This list will stay put as is :-) Sorry for the false alarm. Carry on :-) Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:38:41 -0000 From: msinghaus@msmisp.com (Melissa Singhaus) Subject: ET: Re: This list is shutting down Sunday...... So how do I join the Jewel list then? This Eda was the only jewel related list I was on. Missy - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Connell To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 6:37 AM Subject: ET: This list is shutting down Sunday...... Hi ETers :-) Just wanted you to know that I will be shutting down the ET list Sunday morning simply because it's not needed anymore, as nearly all of the stuff here can again be posted on the Jewel list....and that list will keep me busy enough that I won't have any time to own this list or many of the other ones I own that I will be shutting down. Mike : \ / : -- o -- : / \ : .---. .---. : / \ @ / \ : / / / \( ) / \ \ \ : ////// / ' ` --\\\\ : / / / / : : --\ \ \ \ : // / / / /` \ --\\ \ \\ : / / / / / / . . . \ \ \ \ \ \ We are everyday angels. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:33:03 -0500 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: This list is shutting down Sunday...... Mike, Simple question - is there any way to save this list, or is the decision made & the axe poised already? I know I certainly enjoy the content & people on the list, and honestly, the jewel list is just too damned busy for me (but, I can't speak for the rest of the folks here...) to keep up with it. I don't know how the rest of the folks on ET feel, but I'm disappointed that the list is being axed... so... is there anything any of us can do to prevent the list from being killed tomorrow, or is this a completely unilateral decision? Kevin - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Connell To: Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 12:54 AM Subject: ET: This list is shutting down Sunday...... >Hi ETers :-) > >Just wanted you to know that I will be shutting down the ET list Sunday >morning simply because it's not needed anymore, as nearly all of the stuff >here can again be posted on the Jewel list....and that list will keep me >busy enough that I won't have any time to own this list or many of the >other ones I own that I will be shutting down. > >Mike > > > : \ / >: -- o -- >: / \ >: .---. .---. >: / \ @ / \ >: / / / \( ) / \ \ \ >: ////// / ' ` --\\\\ >: / / / / : : --\ \ \ \ >: // / / / /` \ --\\ \ \\ >: / / / / / / . . . \ \ \ \ \ \ > > We are everyday angels. :) > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:19:50 -0800 From: Tom Morales Subject: ET: Re: What this list has become. Alan's post. Mike. Censorship. Jewel. Etc. First off, hi to all the familiar names. Second, does this mean Liz and Shelly will be the cutest bookends on the north american continent. And third I just wanted to ask Sean how he came to the conclusion that a letter written saturated with opinion and his own distorted observations could be described as honest. Honest is truth and fact based and until Jewel tells us about how she feels we can make our own summations. We don't need Sean to do it for us. I do recall her writing to the list and telling people that we were important to her. Lastly, Sean obviously has grandiose view of himself if he feels any of his posts are important. > Now, this has not been a negative post, just an honest one. I still > respect most of Jewel's music even as she slips away from us, > It's really a hell of a lot more important than this one. I too would like to see some type of change. It doesn't necessarily have to go back to a completely unmoderated state. Maybe it can continue to evolve. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:43:50 -0500 From: Rachel Subject: ET: The list can't shut down! @~Angels and everyone to whom this may concern~@, I didn't realize that this list was closing down tomorrow! I am very saddened by this. I mean, I realize that it might be because of all of the talk from some EDA's saying how they want all of the lists to tie into one definite Jewel list, but this list meant something to a lot of us I am almost positive. I mean, please we can't have this list shut down! I think it is a good idea to have a seperate list for thoughts and it makes me feel more comfortable sending my thoughts to this thoughts list not just the Jewel-digest. Please speak up if you feel the same way. I would hate to see this list go. It means a lot to me! :-( @~Rachel~@ The sad angel :-( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:09:32 -0500 From: Rachel Subject: ET: I appreciate this list immensly! @~Dear All of my thoughtful Angels~@ (This is a thought list isn't it?! lol! :), Hi! I am very happy to hear that this list is not closing!!!! I would miss it and all of you terribly. Even though I know I do not post much you do not know how much I enjoy reading all of your songs, poetry, journal entries, letters, and thoughts. I do enjoy it very much. It is refreshing to read everyone's creative writings and thoughts, especially after all of the things going on lately with the Jewel digest. There is much confusion in the air. I just think that some are blowing this situation way out of proportion and now we have gotten to angels saying that Jewel does not care about us and that we have too many angels on this list. So, yeah, I really appreciate this list. Don't get me wrong, I love the Jewel digest, also but I like reading what creative things you all write. I just wanted to let everyone know that I appreciate this list immensely and I want you all to know that I have been reading your poetry, songs, writings, and thoughts and I think that all of you angels have a ton of talent so keep those writings flowing! I really do appreciate being an everyday angel and it means much to me. With love and angel kisses, @~Rachel~@ The Angel with Silver Wings and a Golden Harp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:46:59 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: ET: a common goal/high horses Hi all, I hope this discussion continues about how this list can evolve. I obviously touched a nerve! It's good to reflect once in awhile. I'd also like to say that Mike & I are cool with each other & will remain that way. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him & the efforts he always puts in. We been through way too much to ever be anything but good friends. So when discussing the issues of the future of this list, I am NOT encouraging picking sides. There are no sides. We all want to have fun, discuss Jewel & hopefully have a more meaningful experience here. The real question is: How can a group this large better focus toward achieving those goals? Mike, The J-Team & I all have some good ideas, but we want to know what YOU think. I also want to make one other thing perfectly clear about where I'm coming from personally. I have ZERO interest in recapturing the past. That is definitely NOT part of my hopeful vision for The EDAs. I'm only interested in how to improve the future. And in another area: In a message dated 3/13/99 3:35:16 PM, sitara@mbox2.singnet.com.sg writes: <> Sean, I'd only like to add that if you decide to stay on your high horse, now I can rope ya from 30 feet! ;-) Alan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:50:15 +0100 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: ET: All this HOOPLA! Hey you dear angels... I have to say that in a matter of an hour as I this evening checked the enormous amount of mail... I went berserk with the feeling of huge loss and sadness... just so I could write this huge mail in my mind about all this reorganization of J-list and shutting down Thoughts... and then finally be calmed down with a sigh of relief as Mike decided against shutting down... my heart beat's slowed down now.. On the subject of J-list I will only say... I don't care about EVERY SINGLE THING that is posted there... but some may... so I search for what I'm interested in... although I usually end up reading most if not all of it... so even if all the subjects get to be allowed I'll still find what I'm looking for... and skip what bores me... BUT... if that thing gets unmoderated... I'll unsubscribe from digest and remain only on News... at least for the period of time it will take the list to tire itself down... I've seen the results of the experiment... and it sure bring a few laughs to me... but I wouldn't be smiling for much longer if it went on longer than a day... to me Mike made his point... and from that moment on I understand better what that is all about and although it limits me as well sometimes am absolutely for it!!! And if moderation can be done with allowing some of the other content through I don't object to that... but I think it'll die out again soon... because of the non interest of individuals... which brings me to... EDA Thoughts list... the very thought of the list being shut down crushed me... I mean these (YOU) are the people I actually connected with the most... you are that share with me and I with you (although I was passive for a while now... I never cease to admire everything about it)... this is the list that is freed of being held down by Jewel which indeed guided us to meet... but was not the reason we connected on much more sophisticated level. You have become sort of a online family to me... like some distant relatives I have no way of seeing... but i can follow their lives through this list... and this is what I was looking for when immediately embracing Lara's idea for starting this list... which she did and I thank her again... so on the thought of it shutting down... my only thought was how to keep this together... do I start a new list... do I just get all the e-mails and create a group that will send post to all the addresses directly... or what... I just don't feel like THIS could be achieved on J-list... because it would be VERY awkward to post your most personal thoughts onto the huge list consisted of people who don't give a rats ass about what you have to say either through "ramblings" or poetry and stories... and even if they do, (hate) mean mail is destined to happen... and I know how people can take that personally... criticism is one thing (and even that if harsh can cause a pulling back effect), but just trashing for purpose of being mean is something completely different... and like I said above... IMO this would die down soon enough... I came here cause I wanted to and am ever so glad I did and like many (all) of you I'm sure just don't want to let go of it and lose it... I got so used to it... and I would miss so terribly all the talent, intelligence, thoughtfulness, wit etc. that comprise this list... like to just name the highlights in my selfish and personal taste... all the unbelievable poetry (which I sort of specialized in... which brings me to all my delayed applaudings that I will post ASAP) from Sam & Naomi... the intensity and intimacy that radiates through Seth's posts... thoughtfulness and intelligence of Kat and Kevin... playfulness and wit that Jamie almost can't help but use... and this appreciation goes on through all of the others that ever posted a piece of their mind/heart/soul/life... it means a lot to me even though I forgot about you or didn't specifically mentioned you... (darn I just remembered... Kristin I owe you something on your story as well... I completely forgot... so sorry... will do it soon as well)... and then when discussion strikes everybody's input is valuable... cause we as people although we have some things in common are VERY different and that brings different views that make us see many aspects of the matter and enables us to build a more balanced and solid impression and/or opinion! So in conclusion I hope this will go on for years to come... as much as it is fun for me to notice growth in people artistically or personally it would be so awesome to compare the beginning state to that in 21st century... knowing that there'll be a little bit of US in each and every one of us... cause this lists helps the building process... at least in my case that is! I love you all and am so glad we're going on..... - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "So warm and insightful Were you in my eyes I was sure the rightful Guardian of my life Damn you betrayer how you lied But for seven years you were loved I laid golden orchid crowns around your feet For seven years i bowed down To touch the ground so wholly your devotee You were all I could see" Natalie Merchant / Seven Years / Tigerlily Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:35:43 -0800 From: Miles and Prystowsky Subject: ET: gone? dear angels, i'm so sad to see that this list is being ended. wasn't it lara who began it? why can't one of us take it over? i don't see why it has to be closed. mike, you seem to be a great guy and i know you don't want to have to do extra work, but i don't see why this needs to be. i thought this was lara's list and that you offered to help her with it...i guess she turned it over to you though? i've had so much fun on this list; i think it's important for people to have a group that they can share thoughts, prose and poetry with. it doesn't seem we had any choice in this decision though. so i'm thinking - we have very little time left. i personally also wouldn't want to post poetry to the jewel list. that's quite a general audience. i've loved talking to everyone, though: so i had a thought. (of course.) anyone remember jamie's "quote of the week" list? we *could* do a little list of our own. anyone who's interested in still doing this kind of thing with a group of people, we can get our email addresses together (if you want, you can send an email to me and send it within a day, and then i'll email everyone the list of people). then when we want to share a poem or something, just put the grouping of addresses in there and send it off. it won't be like a digest (i'm too lazy to get messages together and group them off every day) but we can still write to the people who still care as a group. another idea - better, maybe- you know we can make a list pretty easily at onelist.com i know people who have done this. what do you think? there might still have to be someone with the "moderator" title (basically, list creator i think) but i think its more laid back and easygoing. whacha think? write soon about it. anyway if that doesn't fly, i'll miss you guys. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:58:45 -0500 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: ET: Re: gone? >>Sam writes: >so i had a thought. >(of course.) anyone remember jamie's "quote of the week" list? we >*could* do a little list of our own. anyone who's interested in still >doing this kind of thing with a group of people, we can get our email >addresses together (if you want, you can send an email to me and send it >within a day, and then i'll email everyone the list of people). [...] >another idea - better, maybe- you know we can make a list pretty easily >at onelist.com i know people who have done this. what do you think? Mike tells me that it *isn't* going to get axed... much to my relief. :) But, if Mike's decision to let this list stay changes anytime in the future, Sam's idea of a One List type of thing is a pretty good idea. Alternately, Crosswinds (my email service) offers free majordomo mailing lists to all of its members... I don't know much about onelist, but I've screwed around with some mailing list software in the past, and majordomo is the same mailing list software that we're currently running on, so the only difference would be that the list would be hosted from crosswinds.net, rather than smoe.org.... this is always another possibility for us, as well, if eda-thoughts loses it's home on smoe.org at some time in the future. I certainly wouldn't mind creating the list for y'all all (and me) to use, too. Just a contingency plan, in case things don't work out with the apparent "re-org" of the jewel list hierarchy. :) Kevin ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #68 *********************************