From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #67 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Saturday, March 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 067 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this [scott e sykes ] ET: to kevin - SORRY EDA's [Miles and Prystowsky ] ET: more [Miles and Prystowsky ] ET: This list is shutting down Sunday...... [Mike Connell ] ET: the list is closing tomorrow so... ["Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:38:16 EST Tlcathome@aol.com writes: >Well, glad to hear I'm not the only EDA who feels the way Alan does. >I have >to admit, I always said if the list got too moderated, I'd leave it, >yet I >never did - although I rarely read it anymore, and that's just as >bad. > >The main reason I think I never at least went to news-only is more >for >sentimental reasons than anything else - I'd hate to lose all >connection with >this list - It has meant much to me (us). I don't get the same >feeling when I >do actually read list mail, unless maybe there is actually something >from a >list vet that seems to be in the spirit of the old list, and that >saddens me. > >While I too appreciate and respect Mike and all the work he puts into >this >list, I have to agree that some of the changes seem to have done more >to hurt >the list spirit. I always felt that those who didn't want to get the >NJC mail >and that mail which has now been relegated to other lists had the >option to >switch to news-only - Isn't that what it was set up for? > >Anyway, just thought I'd put my nose in and let anyone who cares know >how I >feel about the issue - even if I'm not as eloquent as Alan :-) >Hoping to see many of you at Bearsville or sooner :-) > >Love and Huggles, > >Tammy :-) >(The Edamommy :-) I'd have to agree with Tammy for the most part! All i see is NJC and people talking about blah blah blah. But i do think the list needs to be moderated! I've had several discussions with Mike about why the list is moderated and it seems the blame should be layed upon the EDA's and not the moderator! We love to talk to caring people and that is excatly what the EDA's are, caring! Possibly, we need to restrict it to Jewel content and Jewel related content and leave the other stuff on the thoughts list! I remember when i first came here, it was so beautiful! Scott S. Big Sexy Angel ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:24:00 -0800 From: Miles and Prystowsky Subject: ET: Re: lah hey, i know...you probably are thinking i write too much...oh well. first i just want to say...marge, GREAT poems! i really liked them. woo hoo. now i can be inspired. so, you know i'm quitting ballet; besides i decided other dances are my "true calling". hehe. no doubt i'll still look at ballerinas and watch performances of The Nutcracker that i could have auditioned for, and wish and dream about it...but my good friend jenn brought up a good point -- no reason to screw up my bod if i'm not even going to become a dancer (in ballet). and i'm already messing up my ankles. people say "it'll stop hurting" and i'm like, "thanks, but i don't want to have to get to that point." anyway, i REALLY love my hip hop class...i've got this horrible feeling of deja vu so if i'm repeating, forgive my tired but happy mind. plus, my hip hop teacher is 16 years old and yes girls, he's hot. i don't think he really likes me (like that) but it's cool anyway. it's something i've wanted to learn for sooo long and i'm just sad i can't be in the recital, b/c i'll be at camp. (but hey, trade something good for something better.) hip hop though, it's FUN, it's aerobics, it's something i can take elsewhere to parties and everything... it's just great. i also am going to take some more swing. there's another everywhere dance. so basically...i decided...more fun and realistic. this time i think it'll be better. anyway...what's my point in all of this? i should share a poem now, huh. but this is a thoughts list. okay, so since everyone is supposed to care about everyone else's thoughts, and if we don't we can delete it... i just finished watching sister act. that's a pretty cute movie. i'd seen it before. i love singing, too. there's another one of my dreams: most likely i'll never be famous, but i think it'd be cool to sing in a chorus or something, and more than that (way more) i want to write my own songs. i play guitar and i'd love to write songs on piano too. someday, someday. you never know, you just might be talking to a to-be-famous girl here! i was reading in the preface for jewel's "a night without armour" that she began with poems and journals, and she had such awesome influences as leonard cohen, joni mitchell and bob dylan (well of course, the influence is tangible and obvious). i know so many talented people who are small time performers, and so many famous people are awful musicians. amazing how this stuff fans out. does anyone ever feel like really creative, like you'r bursting with possibilities in your MIND, and when you get to that little notebook or hold a pen and think about your handwriting, it just doesn't click and suddenly you feel like it's all washing away? and now i'm going to put in a poem. but it's going to be a poem in spanish, and it's by pablo neruda. for everyone who can't speak spanish, just enjoy the sounds. i don't know spanish well yet but i think it's beautiful. Me Gustas Cuando Callas - -Pablo Neruda Me gustas cuando callas porque estas como ausente, y me oyes desde lejos, y mi voz no te toca. Parece que, los ojos se te hubieran volado y parece que un beso te cerrara la boca. Como todas las cosas estan llenas de mi alma emerges de las cosas, llena del alma mia. Mariposa de sueno, te pareces a mi alma, y te pareces a la palabra melancolia. Me gustas cuando callas y estas como distante. Y estas como quejandote, mariposa en arrullo. Y me oyes desde lejos, y mi voz no te alcanza: Dejame que me calle con el silencio tuyo. Dejame que te hable tambien con tu silencio claro como una lampara, simple como un anillo. Eres como la noche, callada y constelada. Tu silencio es de estrella, tan lejano y sencillo. Me gustas cuando callas porque estas como ausente Distante y dolorosa como si hubieras muerto. Una palabra entonces, una sonrisa bastan. Y estoy alegre, alegre de que no sea cierto. love & sunshine, sam the ? angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:27:36 -0800 From: Miles and Prystowsky Subject: ET: to kevin - SORRY EDA's hey, this is a respond to kevin - kevin i tried to write you back but it sent back my message. i don't know if your email is down or what. everyone else, i'm really sorry to send "semi personal" mail to this list, i wouldn't do it if the email wasn't screwy. thanks! Kevin, > > > This one was great. It's nice to see you posting to the list again, > long time, sorta-no-see. :) Keep it up - they were all really good, but > the last one I especially liked. :) Hey, thanks so much! That really means a lot to me. I like hearing people's thoughts. When everyone sends stuff and no one breathes a word about any of it, it's like...well, quiet. :) I believe in reinforcement! Hehe. Anyway...the last one, "she wants to be a poet," is definately about me. Often I can't seem to be creative..like there's a whole other world of words and I can't reach into it. So I just poured out my thoughts on it....y'know, she wants to be a poet. :) > P.S. - Naomi said you might know about it, seeing as you're from "just > about" there - how's the San Francisco area, in terms of "quality of life"? Ahh San Francisco, San Francisco. Frisco is my favorite city! It is AWESOME. Let's see. The mass transportation is wonderful; lots of buses and trains and street cars. Which is good, because the one downside of Frisco is that it's very expensive. Housing prices are high and parking prices are ridiculous, so you'd probably be housing your car for the most part and walking/using public trans. a lot. And that's good because Frisco/that area is small enough that it works out cool. I wouldn't think that that factor would be too big of a deal. Frisco is an all-time great place. It's very beautiful. The bay is lovely and there is a ton of stuff to do. There are endless amounts of interesting and unique people and places. Like all cities, it has bad areas and its homeless people - rips my heart out - but it's quite nice. And it feels semi-small enough not to be a complete confusion like the great yet massive New York. I would think that in terms of "quality of living" as you put it - it's very, very good. The housing is quite lovely, if rather crowded; the famous bay windows are a reality and it makes for some great views. San Francisco is a very good place to live if you can afford it. And living outside the city and commuting in would work too I believe - I think lots of people do it. You might want to do mass trans., again, because parking prices are sky high. Portland, Oregon is GORGEOUS. Just about anywhere you go in Northern California and Oregon is going to be good. I'm a loyal California girl. I think life here in the sunny state is pretty darn good. Southern California has plenty of bad sides, and so does Northern, but I wouldn't leave because of them. It's a cool state. And I think for places like Frisco, quality of life is nice. Portland, ...as I said, I believe it's quite lovely. I went to camp in Eugene, which is about an hour from Portland. And it is stunningly beautiful. I would have no problem moving to Frisco or anywhere around there. I'd move in a quick second. (That is, if I got to uproot my buds and take them along with me.) So I hope that helps a bit. What company did you interview with exactly? Feel free to ask more questions if you have any. - -Sam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:36:40 -0800 From: Miles and Prystowsky Subject: ET: more first one is very blah...sounds too teeny-bopper... coffee shop, crowded tables, always dimly lit. My friend ordered California-style. An "iced mocha," then me - same. "Your name is Jenny too, right?" The laughing cashier joked. A good day - glad to be in, working, out of that biting wind. Move over in line; stare absent-minded at the biscotti jar. Look at the cluttered menu on the back wall. Grinding beans. "You went to Penn State?" Jolted out of a daydream, I stared up at the serving guy in surprise. "Oh, no - my dad." My friend giggled as he grinned & said, "I was wondering cause of..." Oh, right. My sweatshirt. "no..." smile "not even been to college, yet". "yeah, like we've been there," my friend mumbled. oh, well. He still smiled. Gave us our coffee. We drank it outside. That was a sad pick up line - but at least he was friendly. The wind was so cold. We sighed at a ridiculously dressed woman. Lattes, biker stripes. Sure is L.A. 3.12.99 - sm - - - - How is it...you drip a smile onto my jumping stomach. Beautiful...to me, you are, & to others. I miss you...I miss the *chance* of you. White blankets, a warm day - your memory, not so far gone. 3.12.99 - sm love- sam the ? angel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:54:20 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: This list is shutting down Sunday...... Hi ETers :-) Just wanted you to know that I will be shutting down the ET list Sunday morning simply because it's not needed anymore, as nearly all of the stuff here can again be posted on the Jewel list....and that list will keep me busy enough that I won't have any time to own this list or many of the other ones I own that I will be shutting down. Mike  : \    / :                    -- o -- :                      /    \ :                             .---.           .---. :                           /      \  @    /      \ :                         / / /     \(   ) /    \ \  \ :                       //////  /    '     `       --\\\\ :                     / /   /  / :         :   --\  \  \ \ :                    //  / /   /   /`     \     --\\ \   \\ :                  / /   /  /  / /  . .  . \ \  \    \   \ \                     We are everyday angels. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:04:21 -0500 From: Rachel Subject: ET: Hi! @~Angels~@, Hi! This is the second time I have ever posted to this list. The first time I was asking for help from a big problem I was having and boy did I get response. But, that was awhile ago I believe. So, now I am posting again. I don't really know really know what I am writing, but I guess a thoughts list is for anything, right? I could type you a poem that I have written, but I only have a few. I will anyway, though because I feel like writing my words again. *Out of breathe, okay I just went upstairs to get the one I wanted to share, but no I can't find it. And yes, I am unorganized. lol. So, anyway, I will share with you a kinda' bad song in my view that I wrote. I don't know what it is called. START of the song: Look at us Standing on this Earth Like angels who lost their halos We try and we try to get together the pieces We scream cry and sigh These cries do not siese *Chorus* If you looked in the mirror Would you be proud of what you see Is it the cries of youth your inner fear The outer: Congress and the Presidency Would you be proud of what see For what you fear in actuality is truth So go and start Follow, follow the truth in your heart END of Chorus We see images on the TV screen Of homeless bodies on the street We pass them off with a shrug... But can't you see The images on that screen, they reflect you and me *Chorus* If you looked in the mirror Would you be proud of what you see The cries of youth your inner fear The outer: Congress and the Presidency Would you be proud of what you see For what you fear in actuality is truth So go and start Follow, follow the truth in your heart END of Chorus (you should all know that by now :-) Stand in the snow and kiss the flame The flame of spirit and light For you are the future there's no one to blame What you create might just be right *Chorus* If you looked in the mirror Would you be proud of what you see The cries of youth your inner fear The outer: Congress and the Presidency Would you be proud of what you see For what you fear in actuality is truth So go and start Follow, follow the truth in your heart END of Chorus Voice your opinion Make people hear and comprehend WE make the future WE decide if the human race eeeennnndddddsss (long note there, eh? lol :) The screams of youth will never stop ceasing The only thing to benefit from this deceiving If forgotten long lost dreaming *Chorus* If you looked in the mirror Would you be proud of what you see The cries of youth your inner fear The outer: Congress and the Presidency Would you be proud of what you see For what you fear in actuality is truth So go and start Follow, follow the truth in your heart END of Chorus ....Follow, follow the truth in your heart In actuality what you fear is truth.... And that is our biggest barrier END of song All right, there you have it. A song I wrote in late 98. I was contemplating if I wanted to write it in here or not, because I thought that it wouldn't be good enough to share with all of you. But, yeah, that's silly, isn't it? I just want anyone that thought the same thing to know not to worry about what we think or whomever thinks. Because, I want to read what you have to say and your thoughts. :-) Well, I should close so bye! Have a nice day everyone! @~Rachel~@ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:17:25 -0500 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: ET: the list is closing tomorrow so... Hey everyone :) I've always used this list as more than just a NJC vent machine but a place to share my poetry and this has become MY clique of friends so to speak..my community, what the Jewel list used to be when I first joined a year and 8 months ago. I am saddened by this, but I sorta see it as a necessary fork in the road. C'est la vie. Anyhow, though...I've been posting poetry and I've been sending it to friends of mine as well as this list. I send it to friends mostly because I've been sending it to the list but now it's sorta useless. I also don't really feel comfortable sending my poems to the jewel list(think of the volume of the list if every EDA who wrote poetry sent it in) either. So, I was thinking that if any of you wanted to continue sending poetry, or basically just keep in touch, we could do it privately. You all have my email address. If you wish to continue to receive my poems, lemme know and I'll send'em. If you wanna send yours to me, feel totally free to do so :) I love to hear from all of you. Well, take care and Have a Great Day/Weekeend/whatever :o) Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Quotes/Song Lyrics that describe my feelings :) "It's nothing, it's so normal you just stand there, I could say so much but I don't go there cuz I don't want to" - -Matchbox 20, "Back 2 Good" ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V2 #67 *********************************