From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #313 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 313 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * eda-thoughts-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY * the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: Jewel Haters ["Nina" ] ET: question about vonnegut among other pointless shtuff... [CLEARVVATR@a] ET: enter from the east??? [CLEARVVATR@aol.com] ET: Re: A Disturbing Story [CLEARVVATR@aol.com] Starcraft and Re: ET: question about vonnegut among other pointless [Une] [none] [mandabear4@juno.com (Mandabear four)] ET: This is what I've learned this past week [mandabear4@juno.com (Mandab] ET: how how how tell me tell me [CLEARVVATR@aol.com] ET: 2 poems [winters ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:20:16 -0500 From: "Nina" Subject: ET: Jewel Haters On the Jewel list, several "wannabe" EDA's are trashing Jewel and her music. What do you think about this? Do you think they should be booted? Well, what's the defintion of 'trashing Jewel'? Unadulterated, seething hate which just pours out from the black-pit of one's soul? Or does merely expressing an opinion which deviates in anyway from 'Jewel is Good, Jewel does No Wrong' fall into this category as well? Although I am reluctant to start this thread over here, I find that I am bothered by level of fanaticism I've witnessed on the EDA list, just as I am bothered by the depth of hate. I like Jewel. She has a great voice and a wealth of talent that just cannot be fathomed. However, she is still accountable for her actions. What she did in that interview /was/ wrong. It /was/ rude. I am not saying there is not reason behind it, nor am I saying that her reasons for acting that way were frivolous. However, those reasons serve as an explaination, not an excuse. Just because she makes beautiful music and thinks deep thoughts does not elevate her above common-decency. If a friend of mine--or a lover, or a family-member--did something along the same lines, I would be offended. I would be disappointed in them. However, it wouldn't make me stop caring for them or love them less. I wouldn't hold it against them forever. But they /would/ be responsible for their actions. And I would expect them to apologize for, and learn from, their mistakes. Whether it is by her own hands, the record company or the fans, she's been converted into a 'Virginal Icon of Purity and Innocence'. This is something as implausible as perfection. Something which never can be attained. People do good things; people do bad things. Jewel is no exception. She does not hold the key to the universe or has some special recipe for happiness. The answers to all your questions must be found within. Concentrate on the person you are instead of the person others /should/ be. We are all accountable for our own actions; In the end, the only person Jewel has to own up to is herself. When you go to bed at night, are you happy with the person you were during the day? Under the quiet press of the stars Pale beams like the kiss of a lover I listen to the whisperings of my heart And answer back It is within those soft shadows I apologize to my soul And race the moon To the light of Dawn. - -N. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:12:45 EST From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: ET: question about vonnegut among other pointless shtuff... my parents decided to build a deck. we finished it on turkey day. i think it's useless especially 'cause at our old house we built a lovely deck in the backyard and no one ever used it except for me and i didn't even use it often. the difference b/w this deck and our old deck is that this deck is in the front of our house. it's kinda weird 'cause we dont really have a front window anymore. it's like we have two front doors. and my dad decided not to put steps going up to the deck (the only way in is through the doors that we're placing in the place of our front window...which lemme add, isn't even there yet so there's no way of gettin on the deck!). everyone told him that he should put steps there and normally he would listen to them, especially 'cause my mom wanted him to put the steps there, but he decided that he was sick of everyone telling him what to do so now, we only have one entrance to the deck. it's kind of ridiculous. it's kind of funny. my dad is a jerk but in a funny, ridiculous way....he's cool y'know. it's weird 'cause im proud that my dad didn't do what everyone wanted him to do but then again i think he's an idiot 'cause steps are the only logical thing... STEPS! DAMMIT! STEPS! i'm currently readin slaughterhouse five and it's uh quite interesting. it took me a bit to get used to vonnegut and i'm actually still in the process of gettin used to him but it's better. i've been highlighting and making notes in the book (i'm readin it for school not pleasure, but i think it may be for both reasons soon) and i've been highlighting each time he says "so it goes" which is after he talks about someone's death. does anyone know if there's any significance to it? i haven't figured it out yet 'cause i'm only about half way done. this is supposed to be an anti-war book right? well, with all these horrible things that have happened to billy pilgrim (disliking life, uh among other things which i cannot think of right now), is that supposed to represent the result of war. meaning that because of war all this shit happens to billy and others? ok, what's with the tralfamadorians? i guess i'll find out more about them later as i read on. thanks, jen maggie, you're funny. i have a tennis buddy named maggie and since she's the only maggie that i've ever known in person i always imagine every maggie that i hear of to be like her. since tennis season is over i dont see her much except every mondays for about ten minutes. yeah, as i said in the subject line, ".........among other pointless shtuff." thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:16:33 EST From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: ET: enter from the east??? i would absolutely, positively love to hear all of your interpretations of enter from the east. i've heard so many different things (including one very insightful, cool interpretation from jason ;) so whatcha think ya guys? anything?... me? nah, i dont think. i just stuff my hands in my pockets and nod my head yes or no. - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:27:12 EST From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: A Disturbing Story In a message dated 98-12-13 00:01:59 EST, you write: << Then...200 monkeys to 1 human....Am I the only one who sees the problem with this? >> yeah, and i see a problem with there being so many bugs in the world. i read somewhere that it takes a million, gazillion ants to make up the mass of one human. scary! i cant stand bugs! i try to avoid opening gifts in front of ppl as much as i can. i'm a horrible actress so when i hate the gift they know i hate the gift...unless of course i use the line, "ohmigod! how did you know that i wanted this for my birthday! you're ingenious." speaking of ingenious...does that mean the same thing as genious? does flammable mean the same thing as imflammable? how does that work out? i mean why are there duplicates? and on a final note...racecar spelled backwards is still......racecar! - -jen ohmigosh, this is too adorable. the comp is in my li'l sister's room so obviously i'm in her room right now. she's sleeping in her pink pajamas with a santa hat on. she's too cute when she's not awake! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:11:24 -0800 (PST) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: Starcraft and Re: ET: question about vonnegut among other pointless ok...I'm laughing. That was pointless. Yet kinda funny. Oh yeah, your dad sounds cool. If anyone on this list is into Starcraft, let me know. Over the weekend I've become addicted. *S* I'm KillerSquid{GK}, proud membr of the Godly Knights. I'm also Terran for now..that's how far I've otten on the tutorial! *S* Killer Squid is what my ICQ Knight friends know me as, and I'm also uneaq1 on ICQ for my EDT and EDA friends. Maggie, aka uneaq1 aka Killer Squid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:17:56 -0500 From: mandabear4@juno.com (Mandabear four) Subject: [none] This is a short little poem that I wrote. It's half in Latin and English. It's translated below. The word "promitabas" means "you promised" as does "spondeabas" ~Promitabas~ Spondeabas to always be there. Tu credebam. Spondeabamus nothing would tear us apart. Mentiebamus. Tamen, tu amo in perptuum. ~You Promised~ You promised to always be there. I believed you. We promised nothing would tear us apart. We lied. However, I love you forever. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:43:24 -0500 From: mandabear4@juno.com (Mandabear four) Subject: ET: This is what I've learned this past week I've learned a lot this past week. There's aren't exactly my own thoughts but they are how I feel. Tell me what you think. ***I've learned that we don't have to change friends if we understand that friends change. **I've learned that two people can look at the exact same thing and see something totally different. **I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is be someone who can be loved. The rest is up to them. ***I've learned that you can do something in an instant that will give you heartache for life. **I've learned that we are responsible for what we do, no matter how we feel. *I've learned that learning to forgive takes practice. ***I've learned that my best friend and I can do anything or nothing and have the best time. ****I've learned that just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to doesn't mean they don't love you with all they have. **I've learned that no matter how good a friend is, they're going to hurt you every once in a while and you must forgive them for that. **I've learned that it isn't always enough to be forgiven by others. Sometimes you have to learn to forgive yourself. ***I've learned that it's hard to determine where to draw the line between being nice and not hurting people's feelings and standing up for what you believe. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:11:35 EST From: CLEARVVATR@aol.com Subject: ET: how how how tell me tell me how do i change from digest to loose mail for the thoughts list? how how how tell me tell me tell me - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:05:42 -0800 From: winters Subject: ET: 2 poems angels,thought it would share these with you. thanks for reading em'! kat MR PERFECTION so now i plug my ears....i was wrong, all fucking wrong you were right, how does that feel mr perfection? to be the man in the bright lights? i was one of the few left, who gave my heart to someone as lost and lonely as you how does it feel to know that someone gave you their love, but you didn't need it because you have it all already, don't you, mr perfection? floss those teeth boy, i'm coming down to visit days have turned to months, my hair is growing long and yours is going grey...mr perfection, what do you say? hold my hand tight dear, the scary scene has arrived when the girl walks away from the guy and there isn't anything to do, except say, how does it feel to know, you aren't always gonna get your way mr perfection? TUPPERWARE PARTIES blue, green, yellow and pink lets throw a tupperware party, what does everyone think? good lord, look at us now, a few years back girls with ribbons and bows. now we are nothing but lonely house wives who have forgotten how to put on lipstick, but never ask why. why they care so much about getting the cheaper deal, when it's their husbands (who they barely know) money they are about to kill. and why do they care if it's microwavable, or if it can keep fresh for weeks at a time. when they live at olive gardens. yah, yah, lets go away. to the next tupperware party. ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #313 **********************************