From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #181 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: poems [Jan Winters ] Re: ET: abuse topic [sesykes@juno.com (Scott - E Sykes)] ET: just a poem! ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #174 ["Dr. RomeAntic" ] ET: RE: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #174 [Karen Miller ] ET: Re: more on the love thing [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cob & th] ET: My first contribution here.... [Jason Vierling ] ET: Re: thee gooddancer/baddancer ["ws r" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:17:19 -0700 From: Jan Winters Subject: ET: poems I WANNA MELT INTO YOU feeding me sushi and teaching me to use chopsticks god your every move so far has been so unbarably smooth talking slowly onto the phone and always listenning to my every word god, i wanna melt into you your casual hellos and long goodbyes always break me up and make me wanna cry but i've come to the conclusion that the heartbreaker you are can't change anything i feel now, i wanna melt into you. swing dancing into the night giving me lots of wine everything has been so right but i know it's about time, i wanna melt into you WISHING ON THE WRONG STAR so here i am, at the pathetic age of 18, still wishing on stars i'm not real sure what time it is anymore, could be around 4 i can feel the gin, wine, beer and other mixes running down my spine and right around me there is a group of girls puking into someones lawn i see this stranger who keeps staring at me, always putting his arm around my waist of course tonight i wanna feel cute and be a tease, so i let him hold on my eyes aren't even red yet, and i've played mother half the night scraping girls off the wrong guys, taking keys and stopping the bar. so here i am, still at that pathetic age of 18, just a few minutes older then before wishing on all the wrong stars i've been trying to get out of here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:35 -0500 From: sesykes@juno.com (Scott - E Sykes) Subject: Re: ET: abuse topic On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:03:29 -0700 moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cob & the GoA) writes: >>>>I'm sorry, i have to disagree! I am 100% equal any given woman. I >may >be stronger but that's not the case. Knowledge is power. If i was a >little weakling with 0.9995% muscle i could still win a fight! It's >as >simple as taking a couple classes to defend yourself! I totally agree >that it is hard for a woman in a committed relationship to say no or >get >out but it is very possible! If you can say See ya then you can get >out. > I truly believe as well that a guy can't understand the female point >of >view but it's hard for us to see that you just can't get up and leave. > I think that a guy can never be put in a girl's and vice >versa. But if >you have the power in your mind to make your own decisions rather than >them be made for you, then anything is possible! > > Can we put an ending on this discussion? I think it's going a >little >deep!<<< > >Fine if you want to give it up, that's your choice. > >However, first, it isn't just about "winning a fight". You don't seem >to >understand how much more is at stake. Yes knowledge is power but >there is >so much MORE. Anything is possible, yes, but just try being in that >situation. > > > >moonsong@ix.netcom.com > > > I wanted to end this because it is a Jewel list and we've kinda veered of course of the list. ** Scott S.** -Big Sexy Angel "MISPLACED HATE MAKES DISGRACED RACES!" -Tupac Shakur R.I.P _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 01:48:42 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: ET: just a poem! PAPER BOAT Nothing but a few lights and rain drops Loudly crashing against all that's hard Soothing pain when I take you by the hand Into my own drowned world of subconsciousness You play with dolphins for a while I laugh just for the fun of it Seeing you tire down and drift... ......... like a feather... this calm surface Wouldn't harm a paper boat You're safe here on this wide seas of mine Never fear of being hurt Tell you what - I'll leave my smile here To convince you of the pleasant intentions The rainy reality won't miss it I go through days drowning Everything pouring down my throat And I breathe at night as I watch you glide... ....... Towards the sunset.... and I follow In a little paper boat - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You look so fine I wanna break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 01:48:22 +0200 From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #174 alie campbell wrote: > none seem to want to go out with me, i am often considered annoying > because i am very energetic, i like to do goofy things, i go to the > mall and dance in the stores with my mom, thats the kind of person i > am, and it seems to me that the "nice guys" seem to be turned off by > this, i may be wrong but thats how it seems to me, i have tons of nice > guy friends, but they never want to be something more, why is that? Dancing in the public... I consider that a spontaneous behaviour... andpersonally(with that specific thing included) that is a huge turn-on for this guy here... and I'd say I'm one of the "good guys"... so I don't know what's with all the nice guys over there... or maybe it's just me... you just be yourself... there's nothing wrong with that! - -- Have fun and stay beautiful Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worst stroke of luck "You look so fine I wanna break your heart And give you mine" Garbage/You Look So Fine/Version 2.0 Catch Dr. RomeAntic's cyber image @ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/2009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:18:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: love ah, i have to defend myself! ok, here goes. ;-) of course i'm deleting all the parts where you agreed, doc, but i swear they were there, so if anybody actually reads this then you'll know that i did say some other stuff in this email that made sense, at least to him... > > personally i think the word "love" is fairly meaningless because > > there are so many shades and distinctions. love can be a sweet > > feeling that gives you comfort at seeing that person.... it can be > > a need so strong that without them you don't want to live... it > > can be the strength you get from their solid presence at your side. > > it could be all of these or none of these and something else > > entirely. > > Kara would you read again what you just wrote!? Doesn't makesense. > You just said word love is fairly meaningless and after that > states all this possibilites... how bout saying it like you said at > the beginning... since you love differently every time - love rather > has countless meanings... so that makes it very meaningful!!! > And if it was truly meaningless to you... would you be saying that > if somebody tells you that they love you, it wouldn't mean anything > cause word "love" is simply meaningless... I think that is not the > case - so how about rethinking about this one? the feeling itself is meaningful of course; but the word alone does little to describe that feeling, since everyone feels something different when they say "love"... i gave those examples because i was trying to illustrate how those are all different feelings but may all be called love. of course if someone says "i love you" to me i don't blow it off; but i know that each person i've heard those words from has meant a different thing, so in that respect, those three words alone don't tell me how they feel. that's what i meant by "meaningless." > > i think it's possible to "love" more than once, but who's > > to say whether one "love" is more true, more strong, more pure than > > another? > > I'm to say! I can't say I love somebody more than you love the sameperson or somebody > else... but I can say wheather I love somebody > more than another or just as much and in a different way. sorry, i phrased that badly, i really just meant that just becuase you've loved once already, that doesn't make your second, third, or fiftieth "love" more true, or less strong, by virtue of the fact that you've had other loves. > > if you believe that there is one person out there meant > > for you, then i think you have to concede that even if you can fall > > in and out of love, there will be one love that you don't fall out > > > of... and i'd think that that was the purest love of them all. > > ahhhh... now I can't say if you can have that real love more thanonce since I only had > it once, but I believe you can NOT fall > out of love once you fell in love with somebody... no matter > what happens the reason you fell in love will still remain inside > you, and there may be more reasons to hate that person... you > might hate them but that will mostly be because of the love you > felt and feel... of course most of those feelings go into > background... you will always remember how it was to be in > love with them... and all those reasons you had. you will remember, yes, but i know that i wouldn't say i was "in love" with an ex boyfriend. in that respect, i think you fall out of love... if i say i'm in love with someone, then it means that he's the one person in the world i want to be with... i don't think that at one moment i could be in love with more than one person, which follows that i fall out of love. but again it's just the word choice... maybe we mean different things by being in love... > OH I almost forgot... I also agree with Kara... that if there is > somebody who's meant for you - you will be together one way > or another! Unfortunately I can not say if it's necessarily a > happy togetherness... I'm too young to have such knowledge! and, also being young and eternally optimistic and idealistic, i would say that yes, it is definitely happy togetherness!! kara _____________________________________________________ "We are each of us angels, with just one wing, and we can only fly embracing each other." --Liciano de Crescenzo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:50:59 -0700 From: Karen Miller Subject: ET: RE: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #174 ok i can agree with you there alie. For me it is also my brothers best friend he is soooo very cute he smokes talks to me and makes fun of me at lunch like teasing me i have been in love with this boy for so long i cannot remeber when it started. But hey this guy is willing to risk getting in trouble, while he sneaks out ot talk to me and shar a cigarette and i loved him for it.... now telll me thi is that lame or what?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:08 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cob & the GoA) Subject: ET: Re: more on the love thing > Hi Sam... I know what you mean about your parents, my parents are still >together (33 years, I think...), and still very much in love. That *is* the >sort of love you're supposed to find... but I don't think it's necessarily >only *one* person that will be like this for you, or anybody else... I You can have the same kind of love with many people? Kind of a freaky thought for me :) to be "joined at heart" with so many people. Sam the ? angel moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Vierling Subject: ET: My first contribution here.... I would appreciate any thoughts you have on this work...it wouldn't leave me alone till I had it on paper.... - ------ Grandfather Ross I remember his hands Large and weathered As if born of rough hewn rock Strong and aged I remember his grip Never fearing his touch Awed as his hands turned earth Sure and learned I'll never forget that day His hands changed their timeless vitality lost to a tremble Those thin gentle hands making mine seem so Large and weathered === Take Care, Jason V Arunsun on IRC & ICQ Arnsun on AOL IM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:16:19 -0500 From: sesykes@juno.com (Scott - E Sykes) Subject: ET: FW: MTV Video Music Awards From Your Texas MTV affiliate (Scott): Hey guys, don't foget to watch the MTV Video Music awards on Thrusday September 10th, 9/8 C PM. Some feature performers are, Marilyn Manson, Hole, Backstreet Boys, Ol Dirty Bastard (also know as Little Baby Jesus), and many more! So check it out, it won't have Jewel but it will a little space man in a grey suit (sorry, they made me say that). Check it out Thursday, September 10th at 9/8C PM. And only on MTV. ** Scott S.** -Big Sexy Angel "MISPLACED HATE MAKES DISGRACED RACES!" -Tupac Shakur R.I.P _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:58:06 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cob & the GoA) Subject: Re: ET: abuse topic >I wanted to end this because it is a Jewel list and we've kinda veered of >course of the list. I thought this was a THOUGHTS list???? moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:02:20 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: kara garbe Subject: Re: ET: more on the love thing On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:35:22 -0700 "Charlie, Cob & the GoA" wrote: > Angels, > > I duno, I just always thought....Well my parents love each other. They had > lots of bfs and gfs before each other, but I can tell they genuinely love > each other--they have gone through traumas and illness, deaths, gritty > times, all of it, and they're still together. I just always thought that > was the kind of love you're supposed to find, that maybe it starts out with > the passionate stuff and it gets into this more meaningful kind of love. > But how do you know?! > > Sam > the ? angel So I'm 19 and consider myself something of a liberal but apparently i'm incredibly old fashioned... i firmly believe that the "meaningful kind of love" should come before the "passionate stuff". I don't understand how anyone could ever make love to someone with whom they didn't share a deep and meaningful bond... and i don't think you can gamble on the fact that the hot romance you have going on now will one day mature into something meaningful, although i'm not trying to say that it can't. i was reading parts of "reviving ophelia" the other day and the author spoke of girls who had been in such bad relationships that their ideal qualities in a boyfriend were things like, "he spends money on me, taking me to nice places like mcdonald's" and "he tells me that he likes me". while i hope that the experiences of people on here haven't been so bad that they'd think that, i think that still the same message is needed: that you can find something meaningful at a young age. i'm 19 and i talk to my boyfriend about everything... deaths i've experienced, self-hatred, self-destructiveness, and all the other things that eat at my soul... i've cried to him and he's cried to me, he's seen me at my worst and at my best... and he knew me inside out before we ever even kissed. he gives me comfort even as i'm just starting to realize that i need it, because he realizes what i'm feeling even as i am. you don't have to have a relationship that lacks a deep emotional connection; you don't have to settle for less than what you want for forever. you don't have to think "i'm too young to have that kind of relationship, the kind that has the potential to last forever" and you don't have to be with someone who gives you less than what you need. Sorry, Sam, i hope you don't think that was directed at you, because i'm not trying to say that you have empty relationships! just that your post sparked a thought i had to get out to everyone. Kara _____________________________________________________ "We are each of us angels, with just one wing, and we can only fly embracing each other." --Liciano de Crescenzo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:08:26 PDT From: "ws r" Subject: ET: Re: thee gooddancer/baddancer Heheh, >> I think your exactly on here though. The good ones never seem to want>>to ask you to dance do they? Only the ones who want to do it so they can>>grab your butt when you dance in front of their buddies... > Wait wait wait! Isn't that what dancing is for? :) Cute. No, Kevin Dear, it's not. I didn't mean just dancing though, I mean a lot of other social situations, the jerks always seem to be in your face (As I think Sam put it) but only when their buddies are watching. Ahhh, never mind... > I can't speak for all "nice guys", or guys in general, really... but one>problem I have with the whole dancing thing is... I can't really dance.>It's not that I don't like the music, and it's not that I don't have>rhythm... I just tend to look like a fool when I try to dance. Can I ask a question? How often have you tried? Really? I mean even John Travolta probably looked like a fool when he started too. God knows I did (And in most cases still do...) But I think that if you losen up with yourself, listen to the music, and ignore every other dancer on the floor, (I'm not saying pretend they're not there and flail your arms about-unless your a good sprint/long distance runner that is-so you can get the heck outta there when you hit the big guy behind you.) minus those you know, (I.e. friends on the dance floor, the girl your interested in) you should be fine. Just take a deep breath, and groove... :) Girls>*can't* look bad when they're dancing... I think it's a federal law or>something... it's just physically impossible for them to look bad when they>dance. What? HA! Gimmie a ticket!You obviously haven't seen me. (Lucky you) take back that stereotype!! >But I know a lot of guys (myself included) look like idiots when >they try to dance. If you want a mental image... picture a bug... sprayed>with Raid or Black Flag... dying slowly. You've all seen 'em twitch... :) Ew! You grow four more legs and do the funky chicken on your back?! hmmm, I found your problem! >Of course, the logical thing to do is, take some dance lessons... I'm >working on that... but I've spent my whole life as a dance-challenged >individual, so I think that could be part of the reason that the good ones>never ask you to dance. :) Nice does not mean "can dance." :) I know, I have also been a dance challenged individual for the past 17 years, and then one day, I went to a club, and heard my favorite song, and jumped onto the dance floor (Dragging my friend behind me) I didn't notice anyone there, I just went, and didn't care how I looked. (I really liked the song) I've never done the funky chicken (I got those extra legs removed too...) since. heheh, bye for now, Sue "...If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche Beyond good and evil "And I don't want the world to see me, cuz I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive." -Googoo Dolls "Iris" "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: If there is any interaction, both are transformed." -C.G. Jung ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #181 **********************************