From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #166 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, September 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ET: tainted love [genben@usa.net] ET: hehehe ~ some poems [Naomi Vaughn ] ET: the beginning..... [CloudWingz@aol.com] re: ET: Re: Atittude / Sex taboo ["Naomi Vaughn" ] ET: oops.. ["Naomi Vaughn" ] ET: This whole sex thang. [Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Sep 98 00:48:57 EDT From: genben@usa.net Subject: ET: tainted love Hey, Kevin, let me tell you, I hear that song relatively frequently (considering how old it is), and it is even more annoying when typed out for my eyes and not my ears to behold. AND, you bad man you, it got stuck in my head, which DOESN"T happen when I hear it. I curse thee: Billie Jean is not my lover She's just a girl who says that I am the one But the kid is not my son HA-HA-HA-HA! Deal with that, as the 80s song-lyrics-that-stick-in-your-head war continues! Anyway, now that I got that out, I wanted to say something else. I think that an important topic has sprung up from another one. The idea of taboos, especially regarding sex. Now, I am, just like Doc, completely crass on occasion, as a few of you can vouch for in the jokes I have told. However, I also know when to fold 'em, walk away, and run as well as hold 'em when it comes to sexual comment/jokes/ideas (acts) etc. What interests me the most, though, is the situations in which certain things are tolerated and situations in which they are not. George Carlin (funniest man on the planet) had one interesting statement: 'Why aren't you supposed to talk about sex in mixed company when that's exactly where you're supposed to perform it?' This is a good point. When is the right time to talk about things, and how specific & explicit can you get in any given situation? Most importantly, who makes these rules? Does anyone really reserve the right to set our standards for us? Personally, I ahve many feelings on this subject, but I am curious here not about WHAT we can talk about, but really the question is: Why are there rules in the first place? Is sex not a natural thing that we all are entitled to have feelings about? In fact, is there any other thing that we should have STRONGER feelings on that sex? I agree with Holly in a way, that sex is life (not entirely, but there is truth there), and do you not think that we should all discuss it when WE feel we're ready, not when the school board and our parents think so? I am NOT saying that this list is an appropriate place for explicit sex discussion. On the contrary, I don't think that it is appropriate at all, and I will answer one of my own questions by saying that I reserve the right to feel that way based upon my participation in the list itself. As a member, I feel I have the right to say that I don't want to read about someone's graphic experiences on my computer. If you do, go to one of the site that already specializes in it. I'll furnish some URLs if you like (that's a joke). But I think we have a list that is really cool the way it is, and I would hate to see our EveryDay Thoughts become Everyone's Dirty Thoughts. I would, however, like to see a discussion on the concept of taboos and censorship, because these are threats to our survival, and if you don't see that, you are blind, plain and simple. Sorry about the length. sincerely (how about that, theresa, no peanut butter) Ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:13:43 -0500 From: Naomi Vaughn Subject: ET: hehehe ~ some poems well angels...I'm sorry I haven't had poetry for you guys in awhile. can you believe I used to post something *every* day? :) I'm tryin to find my groove, heh, or maybe I should just create a new one, hmmm? ;) anyway, what the heck am I talking about? lol...you poor unsuspecting angels, victims to more of my mindless babble! so...for now, i'll send one I wrote almost a month ago that I don't think I shared with you all. I hope everyone's doing well. I am in ecstasy right now...sheer euphoria. :) I'm just totally thrilled. I feel that I am *exactly* who and where I want to be right now! it's like, there was this next step I never could seem to reach, but on my good days I could make it look like I was there. and now...I am so there baby!! whoohoo! yea, I know, I'm strange...sooo what? ;) hehe...and nooo, I haven't been hitting the NyQuil bottle! lol :) jeez...I better stop before I terrify you all. "all I wanna do...is have some fun.." ;) humm..I may thow in a few I just wrote, if I like 'em enough. aw heck, i'll send them anyway. enjoy! comments and all dat stuff is mucho appreciated. and yes, I *am* insane. :) rock on with yer bad selfs...!! ;) love y'all, Naomi the unknown, and quite insane, angel hehe..just remembered a line from "Broken Arrow": Slater: Are you out of your mind? Travolta: Yeah, ain't it cool? I think that's purty close anyway... :P okay, okay..I know, I know ~ the poems! - --- you tell me you tell me not to look, before I fall; well, i'm not that strong. you tell me not to close my eyes, when I flip on the lightswitch; i'm sorry, i'm not that sure. you tell me time knows nothing, the heart hasn't already discovered; maybe i'm a little scared to know. you tell me love can wait. it'll either fade away, or stand against time; maybe i'm not that patient. you tell me to listen to your words, for you are wise from your years. you may be wise, but can you tell me that laying under the stars in the arms of the one I love, is something worth missing? can you honestly say, that love isn't worth it? cause I know, it is. 8-5-98 - --- #37 pages and pages of flowery words may still fail to penetrate her shell but one simple, honest, line can make her yours, forever. 9.1.98 12:25a.m. - --- paint I painted myself a dream using only the boldest, and the brightest, of colors. I spread my love so perfectly, across the sky blending you into every blue, and every green. looking at my finished painting, I lack satisfaction. for this lavish act has brought me no more closer to these dreams, to this love, then if I'd simply closed my eyes and dreamt it up. how can I have satisfaction in that which is beyond my grasp? do I further my reach, or lessen my goal? or perhaps, in finding joy in my surroundings, in where I am, now maybe that, is true happiness. 9.1.98 1:27a.m. - --- "How many corners do I have to turn? How many times do I have to learn, All the love I have is in my mind?" ~Verve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:50:04 EDT From: CloudWingz@aol.com Subject: ET: the beginning..... Hi Angels, Well, I was gonna be big. I was gonna write a whole poetry book for everyone to read, and it was all gonna rule. But it never happened. See, I was up until 3 in the morning every night writing poetry, because I get inspired the most at nighttime. But I didn't know how to get it published, then after reading it all, I decided I should wait until I'm better at writing to publish a whole book. Because some things take time and experience, and writing good poetry is one of them. So I put all the best poems on disk and I am ready to share them with the world....or at least with my angels. So here are 2 of them. It's pretty hard for me to share this stuff with other human beings, because it was written on such a personal level, but if I was gonna publish it for the world, well, lets just say this is less stressful than it would be if I had gone through with it! So....enjoy! Feel free to tell me what you think! *THE MEANING OF LIFE LOST They used to be the earth The epitome of life Until our narrow opinion of life Decided to dominate With machismo unknown to her Disgusting displays To impress the air Who turned out to breathe Life as well So we impressed our own Short attention spans And superficial noses With a reversal Still glazed with fraudulence Sticky with sugar-coated Apathy We forged our prudence And believed ourselves Because lies are discreet When we are blindsided By our delight In our frosted omissions So now we preserve their life With blankets of them To garnish our skyscrapers Like tasteless parsley As a diversion to avert our eyes From a milky sky And we compliment ourselves for our cleverness But they stand exploited Their true meaning lost Along with memories Of what life was Only a promotion now To bedeck our obsession With futility *SELF-PITY I rest my cheek unconsciously On my insensate hand Forgetting where I sit Allowing my entirety to be lifted Away into the deepest blackness Where my eyes need not close For dreams come in awakening And a darker atmosphere does not exist I stare straight forward Apathetic in my exhaustion I disregard your face Swimming circles around my chair Taunting my depletion With contrasting colors And moods But I do not wish to smile today I do not wish to take joy in the animation of the day I call on my curtains To encircle around me And wave away your jubilation With a wispy billow And a bow of my vexatious head P.S. these aren't my *absolute* favorites...I'll save them for a better time...when I don't feel so crappy...well, anywayz....Mike, I totally agree with you on everything that you said. BTW, if people are keeping track of the ages of the list, I am 15. Talk to you all later!!!! ~Jenny Sugar High Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:56:53 -0700 From: "Naomi Vaughn" Subject: re: ET: Re: Atittude / Sex taboo just thought i'd put my lil bit into this. i'm just 14 myself...and my mom is quite strict. I'm pretty certain that if she went looking thru backissues of this list, she'd probably pull me off...just because of how she feels. soo...I think it's not totally appropriate to talk bluntly about sex on here, simply because of the range of ages and such. but I suppose I don't really know what i'm talking about...I rarely do. ;) so i'll hush up...later. love, Naomi the unknown angel - --- "How many corners do I have to turn? How many times do I have to learn, All the love I have is in my mind?" ~Verve Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:11:14 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Cob & the GoA) Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #163 Hey Angulz~ >alright mike i wil lbare you that but how old are the people on the list. >if you feel you are the youngest email me and tell me i am 14. As a fellow 14 year old I think I can definately answer this on a good level. I gotta say Holly I'm finding your attitude totally disappointing. It's ok to make a slip, how were you to know if that might have been inappropriate, maybe it's how you brought it up that bothered people (I personally didn't pay much attention to the post) but I would be humble instead of keeping on. Yeah I'm 14 too, talking about sex doesn't bother me but you gotta handle the issue with respect, you gotta watch your words (and especially with mouthing off to Mike, who has done nothing but help us and who has been quite flexable with our huge posts and range of topics). Talking like a whore DOES bug me. And 12 year olds are not all at the same emotional level, I know plenty of 14 year olds who would be not at all comfortable with this, and plenty of people up into their 20s and beyond (and I'm not talking about my parents here). Yeah, this is a thoughts list, but it's how one presents it that matters, and how they respond that really proves a person's maturity in handling issues. You have to remember that there is a grand range of people on this list, from religious to athiest, from experienced to very innocent. So let's watch our mouths. A mistake is understandable, but being rude is totally wrong. Sam the ? angel moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:20:18 -0700 From: "Naomi Vaughn" Subject: ET: this whole sex thing well, my lil bit on this subject ~ I'm just 14 myself (I know, surprising, isn't it? lol ;)...and I agree that it's not totally appropriate to talking bluntly about sex. simply for the reasons that have already been stated. there are young one's on here..and we wouldn't want to get any of them in trouble. heh, but I don't really know anything...so i'm gonna hush up now. ta ta angels... love ya, Naomi the unknown angel Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:42:01 -0700 From: "Naomi Vaughn" Subject: ET: oops.. sorry...I accidentally sent basically the same post twice. sorry bout that... amour, Naomi - --- "How many corners do I have to turn? How many times do I have to learn, All the love I have is in my mind?" ~Verve Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:41:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: ET: This whole sex thang. 1st (b4 I forget!) Sam and Naomi are only 14?!?!?? (too.) Ay-yi-yi! Major. Mondo. Suprise! Anyway, I'll keep this sweet and short. I agree with the whole respect-our-privledges thing. Not to say that I'm not uninterested in it (the opposite, actually), but some people might not want to hear it. Maggie PS: So THAT'S what the "Reply All" button's for. Ooohhhhhhhh. Doh! ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #166 **********************************