From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #136 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: food for thought [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] ET: The horror! [Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie)] Re: ET: The horror! ["Kerry *jo*" ] Re: ET: Re: A poem ["Kerry *jo*" ] re:ET:Good Things ["Kerry *jo*" ] re:ET:Food for thought ["Kerry *jo*" ] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 ["Kevin Pease" ] ET: re: et: food for thought [Tim Vaughn ] Re: ET: food for thought (a clarification) [Mike Connell writes: >On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 JonBoy911@aol.com wrote: > >> Oh Mike, we are having fun. :) If the people can't handle our >current thread >> then that is a shame, I don't wanna compomise myself. :) Maybe >it's >> something else, maybe those 14 people decided to get actual lives >and leave >> the internet for awhile. :) Hell, I want to do that soon. > >But I agree with you Jon, if they can't handle the current thread then >c'est la vie. I mean...I want them on the list but if I have to >compromise or compose or whatever the word is myself...that would just >ruin the fun of it. I have a life too. I agree if you can't handle it search deeper or something cause it's teaching me a lot! :o) Just my 2 cents.....(anyone know how to make the cents sign?) Ok bye bye guyses, Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:40:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Uneaq1@webtv.net (Maggie) Subject: ET: The horror! I don't know how to say this, so I'll just type. imagine you are a 9-year-old little boy, living with your mom and big sister. Now, you are very happy here, and you get to visit your dad every weekend-basically, whenever you want. Your dad has remarried, and your mom has met a guy that she loves. And you 3 (Mom, Big sis, and you) are moving to Oregan from Minnesota. If you wanted, you could stay hee with your dad, but you don't. you hate his new bitch of a wife. But (uh-oh!) your dad hears that you're moving. So he calls the courthouse, and claims that your mommy that loves you very much, is unfit. So the sheriff comes and takes you away from your home, and tells you that you can't see your mommy or sister until the court decides who gets to have you, in a month. My little brother got taken away. I've been sobbing for about 3 hours now. I just don't know what to do! My mom had to leave work, and come help Jake pack. He kept asking the sheriff, why is my dad doing this? And screaming, I WANT TO STAY WITH MY MOM!! And kicking the sheriff. I am just overwhelmed. And we were gonna go school shopping tonight, after mom got off work. I'm crying too hard to typr. Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:58:26 PDT From: "Kerry *jo*" Subject: Re: ET: The horror! Maggie... Im sorry...I had the costody battle thing with my parents to and I know how much it hurts. It is total BS I am so sorry...I cried for you when I read that. I can't believe your dad would put your family through something like that. You have my prayers... Love and hugs Kerry *the angel with beauty on the inside* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:54 PDT From: "Kerry *jo*" Subject: Re: ET: Re: A poem Kristin ~ beautiful poem I loved it the honesty made me smile I think people need to be like yuo, love someone for who they are not what they look like. The world would be a hell of a lot better off Keep a smile and hold on to love Kerry *the angel with beauty on the inside* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:47:32 PDT From: "Kerry *jo*" Subject: re:ET:Good Things This is the first time I have done this but...here we go... My good things(more of a list than a poem!) I can see the good in people without ever talking to them I would never turn down a converstation I try to help people the best I can I give great hugs Im not ashamed to tell my feelings I am not ashamed to be who I am I love my family I put up with my family << ;0) >> I am honest I treat myself good I treat my friends good I know how to love I have pretty eyes and hair I am beatiful not only on the outside but on the inside I am Me =0) (0= AnGel Love And WisHes fOr HappiNEss =0) Kerry*jo* *the angel with beauty on the inside - ----------------------------------------------------------- "I believe in Angels, I believe that in my lonliest times I have not really been alone, That no one really is." ~Jewel **Visit my web site =0) http://www.angelfire.com/ut/intrepiddreamer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:19:50 PDT From: "Kerry *jo*" Subject: re:ET:Food for thought Hey, Its their choice to unsubscribe...honesty is a hard thing for certain people to handel...and this is a very honest and caring list...maybe they couldn't take it Angel Love Kerry*jo* an angel with beauty within ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:54:24 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 >> Seth D. Fulmer writes: >Yeah I take care of goals all the time...My goals are only set a moment in >time and I plan out what I'm going to do if they'll fail. It's not that >difficult on a moment by moment scale. I wish you'd make up your mind... in one post, you say you haven't achieved any of your goals... in this post, you say you achieve them left and right, and it's just practically raining achieved goals... which is it, you can't have it both ways, you know. It's like somebody saying they're "sort of" pregnant - you either ARE pregnant, or you AREN'T pregnant, you can't be "kinda". So have you achieved goals, or have you not achieved goals? >It's not so simple as that. I can't fix the hardware(the actual computer >itself) and I can't exactly fix the programs either because I didn't write >them. If I'm given the program itself then I might be able to fix it...but >still... If you're given the code, you could fix it... the fix is actually pretty simple for many programs. In many cases you just have to change the variable in the program that contains the year. When they were originally made, they only included a 2-character variable for the year, which was the last two digits of the year. And that became the standard. The problem is, when the year hits 2000, all the computer programs will assume that the 00 in their year variable means it's 1900. A lot of systems won't crash, they'll just display the wrong date until they're told to look at a four digit year. >I could get into an entirely other debate on this Y2K issue whether >it's worth it to fix it or if the original makers of the computers in the >50s and 60s were total incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust with a >bottle of oil and my parent's car. Well, yeah, it's worth it to fix it. That's like GM saying, "Well, we have this problem where the wheels fall off the car... lots cars are crashing, but we've decided it isn't worth fixing. Oh, but we've fired all the engineers who designed the car, so cheer up." The early people doing computer work were, in a very real sense, pioneers. 40 years later, it's real easy to say, "You IDIOTS! How could you not have thought of that?" But when they were doing it at the time, it made sense, because the changing of the millennium really didn't enter into their consciousness - when this new program they're running keeps crashing left and right, can you really blame them for not having said, "Gee what happens when this program turns 50?" They were smart guys... you can't expect them to have thought of every possible contingency that could happen then, or 50 years into the future. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:09:09 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 >>Heidi J Andrus writes: >Hey I don't know the song either......and yeah I guess i feel unfulfilled >too :o) hehe I guess I will have to find that song and put it up on my web page. It's amazingly annoying. :) >Hey what's wrong with singing along to some music that is only played >24/7? I mean can we really help it? "If you wanna be my lova" There's nothing unexpected about it, I just hate having to admit to myself that I know the lyrics and the tune to a song by a band with the musical & emotional depth of a bucket of trout. :) I mean, REALLY, what does this mean? "All I wanna do is zig-a-zig-ahhhhh"? "If you wanna be my lover, you've gotta get with my friends?" Now, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but if somebody "wants to be my lover", I'd really prefer that they didn't "get with" my friends. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:02:09 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: "perfect" >> Seth D. Fulmer writes: >Well, take a perfect being...I can find one fault in the person right >away...he lacks imperfection and there's always a way to get past his >"perfection". The theoretical definition of perfection is a paradox >therefore impossible in it's truest form. Not that that is stopping me >any. I won't even get close to it anyways, so it's not bothering me until >I get even close to there. Have a good night :) In what way is a lack of imperfection a fault? I would expect a perfect being to be above anger & hate, and lack those qualities, as well. I wouldn't call somebody who is incapable of anger & hatred faulty, I would call them a hell of a lot closer to perfect than I'm ever likely to get. You're assuming here that a lack of ANYTHING is a fault, and that's just not so. I lack 300 extra pounds... I'd like to think that's not a fault. I lack a hatred of nature... I'd like to think that's not a fault. I lack physical characteristics that would make me female... I'd like to think that's not a fault. :) (NOTE: Not that there's ANYTHING even remotely faulty about having those characteristics, either. I'm trying to make a point here, not get beat up. Like I said in a post last night, I like girls, they're groovy. :) The theoretical definition of perfection is a complete lack of imperfections. I'll agree it's impossible to achieve, but I'll disagree with your claim that to be perfect, you also have to be imperfect. If somebody completely lacks imperfections, then they're perfect. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:09:43 -0500 From: Tim Vaughn Subject: ET: re: et: food for thought >something to think about......14 people unsubscribed from EDA-thoughts and >EDA-thoughts digest in the last 24 hours or so > >normally it averages less than one > >Mike that's really a shame. I unsubscribed from this list on my other account yesterday, simply because it was loosemail and I couldn't get on enough to keep up with all the mail. :) I think this is great though, it has been very interesting. I haven't posted myself cause I'm terrible with comments and opinions ~ well, I am! ;) I just don't have the words when I want them. Oh well...later angels. Have fun, be happy...all that good stuff... love ya's fer eva, Naomi the unknown angel naomisplace@angelfire.com uin# 10320304 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:22:15 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: ET: food for thought (a clarification) based on the replies I have recieved, I guess I should explain something (especially considering upon re-reading my last post, I wasn't clear at all)......I have no idea what is going on, as I haven't been reading this list as of late. All I know is that I've seen a very dramatic increase in both traffic on this list (NOT a problem, it's fine if you ask me) and the unsubscriptions (THAT made me curious). Since I had no clue as to the content of this lists' post the last 48 hours, and still don't, I just wanted to mention what I saw in case the traffic was/is something that may have been avoidable. I didn't and still don't know if it's just a popular thread, a bunch of threads or an argument. Considering I have seen some rather large posts (10K to 15K or greater) and larger than normal digests (28K when the norm is 20K), it tells me there may have been mild arguments.....I just don't know. (past history with the Jewel list is that when arguments start, unsubscriptions rise....that's my only concern.....if it's arguments that were going on, I wanted to give "you "food for thought") All in all, I was not passing a judgement nor asking for a decrease, just pointing out my distant observation. Mike :-) : \ / : -- o -- : / \ : .---. .---. : / \ @ / \ : / / / \( ) / \ \ \ : ////// / ' ` --\\\\ : / / / / : : --\ \ \ \ : // / / / /` \ --\\ \ \\ : / / / / / / . . . \ \ \ \ \ \ We are everyday angels. :) ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #136 **********************************