From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #134 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 134 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 [Angeljlb96@aol.com] ET: i know its been a while but... [ICURMINE@aol.com] ET: Re: good things ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] Re: ET: Re: good things [Summer Burton ] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] Jewel16f: Re: ET: la ti da...sick of me yet? [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J ] ET: Jewel16f: Re: good things [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] ET: Re: good things [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] Re: ET: Re: Everything that is me ["Seth D. Fulmer" > I love that song! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:01:39 EDT From: ICURMINE@aol.com Subject: ET: i know its been a while but... hey angels, i promised a VERY good friend that i would post this for her, and i can never lie to her... she knows who she is! comments appreciated as im not very good at writing this stuff.... There is Never a time when I miss your warmth, or caring ways... There is Never, Ever a time when i miss how close we used to be Never, not even once has there been a time when I miss your love that never was At least that is what I will tell myself ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:21:36 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: ET: Re: good things >>Us writes: >Siiiiigh.....I guess my idea about ADMITTING OUR GOOD QUALITIES TO THE LIST >got drowned in the thick molasses of Kevin & Seth's discussion (with my >wittle unseen interventions). Heh heh, Sorry I had to shout there TO BE >HEARD. :) =P :-D >Anyway IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED then shoot right onto the list......Kevin, >how about you start. Heh heh ok ok nevermind keep on task with Seth. :) I did see it, but I wasn't sure if it was a serious suggestion or not, so I just figured I'd wait and see if the idea was brought back up. :) I think it's an interesting idea, and I'd love to see what other people have to say about themselves. I'll send something along those lines sometime tomorrow, I guess, if that's early enough for you? :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:32:46 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 At 05:09 PM 8/19/98 -0700, Us wrote: >Hola again, Hola! >Then....Okay. Anyone ever seen "What About Bob"? The shrink dude in the >movie has a book, Baby Steps. Take baby steps, little goals, toward >accomplishing your major goals. Why wait? Start now. Go for it. After >all, if you want it, it's your life. Yeah I take care of goals all the time...My goals are only set a moment in time and I plan out what I'm going to do if they'll fail. It's not that difficult on a moment by moment scale. However, my goal is moreso long distance. It's like walking to the car after a movie or concert when you could barely find a parking spot to begin with. You want to get to the car, and you have your eye on it but if you don't get there any time soon it's not going to ruin your day. :) >Heyyy! Fix mine willya??!! :) And if yer lookin for a job, hey Seth, you >might not want to do it, but they need people like you. So if you're >really desperate, there's one waiting (probably with some mighty big bucks >in there too). It's not so simple as that. I can't fix the hardware(the actual computer itself) and I can't exactly fix the programs either because I didn't write them. If I'm given the program itself then I might be able to fix it...but still...I could get into an entirely other debate on this Y2K issue whether it's worth it to fix it or if the original makers of the computers in the 50s and 60s were total incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust with a bottle of oil and my parent's car. Take care and Good Night everyone :) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:41:54 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: "perfect" At 11:14 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Kevin Pease wrote: > Now this just doesn't make sense. How can somebody be perfect by being >imperfect? And if imperfection is required to become perfect, why do we try >to eliminate our imperfections in an effort to better ourselves (and reach >perfection)? I think your definition of perfection is lacking in a big way. >To be perfect is to not be imperfect... to love someone is to not hate >them... the two are mutually exclusive. Attempting to define perfection as >imperfection is, even on a semantic level, impossible. Well, take a perfect being...I can find one fault in the person right away...he lacks imperfection and there's always a way to get past his "perfection". The theoretical definition of perfection is a paradox therefore impossible in it's truest form. Not that that is stopping me any. I won't even get close to it anyways, so it's not bothering me until I get even close to there. Have a good night :) Seth D. Fulmer mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:18:38 -0500 From: Summer Burton Subject: Re: ET: Re: good things Fine, I'm gonna start... It's just a list, cause I don't feel like being poetic right now. So there. :-) Good Things I'm a wonderful friend who always forgives but never forgets the details of a friendship. I dream in color. I'm open to all kinds of music I get along with guys as friends with out having to have non-plutonic overtones I can quote from a variety of sources like Empire Records or any Counting Crows song I find really good deals at thrift stores My hair is pretty My eyes are a cool color, if you notice them right. I take really good pictures of my friends I write poetry from the heart I'm articulate I do well in public speaking situations I'm smart I'm fun I'm funny I dance well I'm not afraid of what people will think of me being silly I cheer my friends up I'm optomistic I'm politically aware I'm a vegetarian I'm opinionated I'm creative I've got cool stuff I can do really good impressions I tell a story really well I try to never ever really hurt someones feelings, and I feel horrible if I do. I'm good with horses I love animals. I have a spiffy computer I have a large vocabulary I never play dumb I'd never have an eatind disorder I've got a cute nose I notice the little things I give great gifts I smell good. I'm photogenic I come up with lots of cool ideas I put my soul into everything I do I'm motivated to learn I sketch well I do all kinds of things for people I volunteer I make people happy I'm not afriad of being me I can admit the GOOD things about me. - -Summer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:37:50 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 Hello people > >To Kevin & Seth: You guys keep at it. Yer in a really deep >discussion and >work it out n sort the knots through till the end. > I agree guys! This is getting better and better! :o) > I used to always feel sorry for myself, sit in >the >corner till someone invited me to join the rest of civilization. It >wasn't >that they didn't want me, but I had to help include myself to be >included. I used to do that too! My friends eventually stoped begging and pleading and i started walking back on my own but now i'm to the point where I don't even have to leave cause I know they want to be around me! Sweetnes all around, Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:52:54 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: Jewel16f: Re: ET: la ti da...sick of me yet? >Hi Heidi =) Okay...now I didn't think they were doing this. This >conversation is interesting me very much, so I'm reading every point. >Now >just because 2 people disagree doesn't necessarilly make them fussing, >or >trying to change anyone's mind. They're both just trying to show each >other >(and everyone) their point and why they feel that way. Makes for a >pretty >damn good conversation if you ask me. If everyone agreed with >everyone...conversations would suck! I for one, think they both have >some >damn interesting points and it's fun to think "Oh wait...he's got a >point, >too!" So...Shutup Jamie. > >=) > >Love, >Jamie > I totally agree Jamie! I'm enjoying all of this more and more everyday. It's very interesting and it is teaching me and I hope all of you alot! Ok well anyways gotta go peep's. Smiles and giggles, Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html - --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:53:20 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: ET: Jewel16f: Re: good things On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:21:36 -0400 "Kevin Pease" writes: >>>Us writes: >>Siiiiigh.....I guess my idea about ADMITTING OUR GOOD QUALITIES TO >THE LIST >>got drowned in the thick molasses of Kevin & Seth's discussion (with >my >>wittle unseen interventions). Heh heh, Sorry I had to shout there TO >BE >>HEARD. :) =P :-D > >>Anyway IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED then shoot right onto the >list......Kevin, >>how about you start. Heh heh ok ok nevermind keep on task with Seth. > :) > > > I did see it, but I wasn't sure if it was a serious suggestion or >not, >so I just figured I'd wait and see if the idea was brought back up. >:) I >think it's an interesting idea, and I'd love to see what other people >have >to say about themselves. I'll send something along those lines >sometime >tomorrow, I guess, if that's early enough for you? :) > > Kevin I brought this up in one of my e-mails a few days ago. I still think Sam had the coolest idea! Thos of you who can write (not including me) I think it'd be cool if you just wrote a whole poem about the good things about you.......come on guys it's the least you can do for yourselves :o) Then maybe we can start up a discussion about something someone says that is good about themselves and carry it on for days on end.....that would be really cool!!!! I'm being serious here guys. alrighty bye bye Smiles and giggles :o) Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html - --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:58:48 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 >>Dang it, I don't know that song. =P >>*evil grin* > You don't KNOW that song??? My oh my, I guess you have led a >remarkably >unfulfilled existence to this moment. >then you >can hear it, and your life can really be complete. :) Actually, it's >a >terrible, horrible, rotten song by, i Hey I don't know the song either......and yeah I guess i feel unfulfilled too :o) hehe >(MUCH like >the Spice Girls' music, imho) that you immediately hate, and that you >immediately hate yourself for humming along to when it comes on, but >that >you can't help but hum along to, no matter how hard you try not to. >:) > Hey what's wrong with singing along to some music that is only played 24/7? I mean can we really help it? "If you wanna be my lova" Giggles and smiles :o) Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:00:43 -0700 From: jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus) Subject: ET: Re: good things I liked that Summer! Nice makes me feel good that people feel good about themselves! Heidi *The Freckel Angel* E-mail at: Jewel16f@Juno.com also at: Jewel15f@aol.com AOL Instant Message: Jewel15f Web sites: http://www.vaio.net/spte.dll/web/JewelRocks http://www.angelfire.com/tn/JewelRocks/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:15:06 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: Everything that is me At 11:04 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Kevin Pease wrote: > See, I was under the impression that you were serious about your claims >of being a perfectionist... if you are a perfectionist, I would expect that >you'd do everything in a perfect manner, be it painting all the exposed >surfaces you can, or whatever other "anal retentive" details the task you're >performing requires. :) I'm not saying that as a bad thing, either... when >I start doing things, I tend to go way out of my way to finish the detail >work, which I guess makes me pretty anal retentive. :) I'm aiming to attain perfection. I don't yet have perfection nor do I claim that I do yet. My long term goal is that I'm aiming to be perfect. I have a variety of short term goals. I have to admit though that when it comes to programming computers I won't let a program go by without perfecting it if I have time. > Oh, but I get the feeling you *really* care how others look at things. >Why else would you want to have recognition for all your skills? Where does >that recognition come from? If it doesn't come from other people, and you >refuse to acknowledge your own positive traits as worthwile, then I guess >you're S.O.L. Well, besides the fact that I don't know what an S.O.L. is, the part of me wanting recognition mostly stems from the fact that I don't want to do something unless I want it or someone else wants it...and if they want it I want them to acknowledge it or I won't ever do it for them again. > Wait... you're 20? 21? And you haven't yet achieved any single goal in >your life? I don't believe that, and I don't think you mean that, either. > (Oh, and closeness also counts in tactical nukes. :) Well, I'm right...all my goals have either come 2nd place or failed miserably(which isn't much of a difference in my book)...I got 2nd place in the Spelling Bee in 7th grade...I got only 1 wrong on the National Latin Exam in 10 grade and the girl who got perfect was the same girl who won the spelling bee(the bitch...sorry about the language). Yeah, I won Boy of the Month but I didn't try for it so it doesn't count and even if I did, the award is worthless. > So everything you've done in your life so far has been in the hopes of >achieving a girlfriend/wife & a good career? Again, I don't believe that, >and I don't think you mean that. If you keep raising the bar every time you >reach it, then of course you can say you haven't achieved any goals... but I >bet you've achieved milestones & goals throughout your life. But that's what I've been doing my whole life. Once I get close to a goal, I up the bar to the next goal. And basically everything I've done in life has been in the hopes of a good career. The girlfriend/wife thing came recently. > If Y2K problems are the only thing you think the computer industry is >doing right now, you are frightfully, dreadfully wrong. My cousin works for >Digital Equipment Corp., and was one of the mechanical engineers who helped >design the casing & board layouts for the DEC Alpha chip. I work for a >company called Clariion, which specializes in large scale storage devices. >My oldest brother is looking for a job right now in networking/information >systems setup & administration. There's three people in three very Yeah, but no offense to any IS people but if I was stuck in a job setting up computers, networks or hardware of any kind I'd die. I hate that type of work. :) >different computer jobs. (And, as an aside - if all the other computers in >the world DO go to &#@# when the millenium turns, you're going to be awful >bored when your machine turns into a big Nintendo that you can't even play a >networked game of Doom or Quake over. :) That's assuming I prefer to play games. I play games assuredly but all my friends have their computers safe as well and get new computers like every year or so anyways. We'd still be able to play...Plus, there are thousands of computers that were safe from the start from the bug. It's pretty much any date dependant company(bank, insurance), and company that keeps time/date records on file. Those could get corrupted although it's less hazardous. :) > You're right, any 2 year old can USE a computer... but how many people >can make the computer do exactly what they want, and program the computer to >perform new tasks? Not something your typical 2 year old can really do all >that well. I can do rudimentary programming, and I've been trying to >develop my Visual C++ skills the past few months... but I'm never going to >be a whiz at it, and I doubt I'm ever going to be more than mildly >competent... and remember, I work in the computer industry. I have to admit that I'm not taht skilled with Visual C++(I've never used it)...but it's not too hard to pick up a book, and use the help system and examples to learn a language in 1 or 2 months. That's how I learned C++ and I'm still using it in the forms of Borland C++ Builder and Borland C++ 5.0. It's not rocket science yet my coworkers considered me a genius. > Why do you insist on deprecating everything you accomplish? You got a >job as a coop, gained valuable skills, and made money doing it... why >shouldn't you be proud of that accomplishment? Why not? I'll have 2 more experiences and a full time paid job after college...It'll come again and again. It's nothing unique. > No, I think I have a crystal-clear idea of what you mean by "simulate", >and I *still* think you're assuming a lot about other people that you don't >know. Unless you live in a vacuum (in which case, you'd be a really, really >big red stain on the walls very quickly :), any situation that you get into hehe :) >involves other people in some way. Seeing as it is absolutely impossible >for you to *know* how they will react, and it is absolutely impossible for >you to take into account every single possible variable, you're forced to >make a WHOLE lot of assumptions when you try to "simulate" anything in your >mind. When you make those assumptions, you automatically make any "perfect" >solution imperfect. Admittdely I can't know the exact variables and where everyone's going to be, etc. You don't need to know that. It's not like a situations going to change much if I'm sitting on a chair and Sally's sitting on the couch or if she's standing up, or sitting on my lap...ok, maybe in the last case but that's extraneous. :P > Why in god's name would you say something like that to your own mother?? >I'd say her reaction is perfectly understandable. Let me ask this... would >you tell anybody else that they deserved to be aborted, for any reason? It's true...that's why I would tell her it. I wouldn't tell anyone else that because it's rude but I've thought to tell some people that...like handicapped and mentally diseased patients like with schizophrenia and depression. It's torture to live with them, as I'd kill myself if someone cut off a part of my body or otherwise made me handicapped. I've already considered living my life without getting married and having kids just to kill off the family line so no others would be perverted by my genetic makeup. That way we can have a more genetically superior race...Admittedly that sounds a lot like Hitler which freaks me out but I can ignore it just as easily as any other thing. > My point in that other email was the "laid back" approach doesn't >*work*, 99% of the time. The only reason my friend gets away with it is >because he's reasonably good-looking and dresses nicely, so sometimes the >girl will want to talk to him enough that she'll come up to him. Now, I >don't mean to say that I'm some Joe Stud when it comes to talking to a girl, >but I have always had better luck when I get a mild attack of bravery and go >over and say, "Hi, how's it going?" or something to that effect than when I >sit there across the room and try to do the "look at me, I'm a disaffected, >sultry underwear model." That crap works for disaffected, sultry underwear >models, which, unfortunately, I'm not. Ok, Have you seen "Love Potion #9" when the guy walks up to the girl in the bar and she asks him who made her shirt/sweater? Well, I've had that happen to me and even though I don't have the nerve to do that to someone(it's rude as well), the thought has crossed my mind with several people at parties who introduce themselves. > Unfortunately, working every day is one of those things you have to do >to in order to be able to have some fun and adventure. My brother got >married in Williamsburg (Virginia) last weekend... I had to fly down to >Norfolk, somehow make my way to Williamsburg... seeing as this is the first >time I've ever flown anywhere by myself, it involved a lot of running around >(adventure, if you will) and figuring out of what was going on. Next month, >I'm going to visit my other brother down in Shreveport (Louisiana), which >should be another bit of fun. The weekend before I go to Shreveport, I may >(not sure yet) be going white water rafting in Maine with some friends from >work. I just came in from playing in my hockey game, something I always >enjoy, but which still costs money... All of this excitement (in addition to >raising hell with my sleep schedule... :) costs money, which requires me to >work, and endure a bit of drudgery. In the final analysis, the fun weekends >make up for the boring weekdays, though. Well, let's put the math to the test...5 weekdays(boring) to 2 days of the weekend(exciting)...That weekend better be a h&#@ of a party. I experience the boredom now a little even though I have class 4 days a week go home on Thursday nights and come back Sunday afternoon/evening. The week flies by but the weekend flies by as well. But working...no matter what I'd be doing, I've heard it said many times that no matter what...if you get a job in what you enjoy doing you won't enjoy doing it anymore but if you choose to work in something you want to do a little less but do your hobbie on the side, it'll help ease the pain. So, it's a double edged sword in a way. :) > You can't control how other people interpret your writing. But you can >still take pride in the fact that you can write something that somebody else >likes, and that somebody else can take meaning from. But the thing is that I'm writing for my own pleasure and to get feelings out. Even if the planet were bare and I were the only one left, I'd still write poetry...it might be dismal and bare as well but I'd still be writing poetry. > Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason you'd be calling her >would be because it's a chance to talk with a friend, and she WANTS you to >call her to keep in touch with you? If she WANTS you to call, why are you >hesitant to call? Then, what are we going to talk about. When I go through a phone conversation, maybe it's the male side(which some of my female friends[they say they're friends which I doubt sometimes] say it is), but I go from point to point to point without spending time to breathe. It really bothers me to waste 15-30 seconds of time to wait for a response...I call with a purpose, announce it, get the purpose answered, then hang up after the proper salutations. > And again, I thought you did things without a care for what other people >think, good or bad? That's what you've been saying all along, and now >you're upset that you wouldn't be showcased as the national hero? Make up >your mind which way you want to think... The point was (and, again, still >is) - you still would have saved thousands of lives, which is something >that, no matter who knows about it, it's still a pretty cool thing to have >done. How would you possibly know that YOU were that national hero? For all you know the pamphlet could have been someone else's. Or it could have been blind luck. I wouldn't want to take credit for blind luck. Although, I admit that it is a pretty cool thing to have done if found out that I did it. I guess part of my "negativism"(to coin another person's term) is because I'm so strict about myself. I won't accept anything less than 110% of the best and 2nd place is complete failure. If I didn't want to, or try to get a goal, then attaining a victory that may be cool in itself...is not significant anymore to me. I guess that's what I learned from this discussion in this email. I've also noticed from other emails that people tend to "lie" subjectively to themselves and others. I noticed people saying things like "I ________ well" and that's completely subjective and depends on one's definition of well...I do that a lot to make people feel better even though in the back of my mind I'm growling that it's an outright lie...they might suck in my opinion at a skill but I'll tell them they're good just to be nice. If that's what "looking positively" on myself is...I dont' know if I can do that because I know I can seriously do better on anything I can do. In any case, I've been up too late and I better get to bed. Good night :) -Seth ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #134 **********************************