From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #132 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, August 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Oh yeah [jewel16f@juno.com (Heidi J Andrus)] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us)] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us)] ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us)] ET: angel [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us)] ET: RE: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 [Karen Miller ] ET: good things [moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us)] Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 [JonBoy911@aol.com] ET: Please don't send attachments to this list [Mike Connell My goals are still in the status of being achieved...getting a >girlfriend/wife, having a successful carreer...and I could go on and on really Then....Okay. Anyone ever seen "What About Bob"? The shrink dude in the movie has a book, Baby Steps. Take baby steps, little goals, toward accomplishing your major goals. Why wait? Start now. Go for it. After all, if you want it, it's your life. >to do that(i.e..Year 2000 bug fixing)...I mean...For what it's worth, my >computer's safe from the bug and all the rest of the computers in the world >can go to &#@#. What I want to do, game programmer for like Nintendo, Heyyy! Fix mine willya??!! :) And if yer lookin for a job, hey Seth, you might not want to do it, but they need people like you. So if you're really desperate, there's one waiting (probably with some mighty big bucks in there too). ~~~***~~~***~~~***~~~ And now for a song that I really love so I want to send ya da lyrics: River by Joni Mitchell It's coming on Christmas they're cutting down trees they're putting up reindeer and singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on But it don't snow here it stays pretty and green I'm going to make a lot of money then I'm going to quit this crazy scene Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on Oh I wish I had a river so long I would teach my feet to fly Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on I made my baby cry. He tried to help me he put me at ease Lord, he loved me so naughty Made me weak in the knees I wish I had a river I could skate away on I'm so hard to handle I'm selfish and I'm sad Now I've gone and lost the best baby That I ever had I wish I had a river I could skate away on Oh I wish I had a river so long I would teach my feet to fly Oh I wish I had a river I made my baby say goodbye It's coming on Christmas they're cutting down trees they're putting up reindeer and singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on. Love ya, Sam the ? angel moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:09:43 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us) Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 Heya~ Jamie wrote: >ehem...does anyone not love "Iris" by GooGooDolls? I've just noticed how many >people have quoted it already and stuff. If anyone cares, I just learned how >to play it! You have the chords? Gimme!!! :) Okay. Please? :) >I really don't like that woman! I love her music...to death...but the >woman...ugh...she just...ugh...nevermind =) Shh it's ok :) Here are the words you meant to say about Fiona's music (as said by our friend, KEVIN!): "when I listen to it, I can't help but think that it's only really suitable for listening on a cold, dark, winter evening in the middle of a blizzard. That's the only atmosphere it seems to really fit in." >I do and they give me funny looks...I guess that's what you get in New >Orleans, cuz when I was doing it in Cali, and everywhere else...they all waved >back. I need to get out of Crackville, USA. Cali kicks. =) ><< JON!??! You see the difference right? >> >yah, you just want lust for an evening and not a relationship., right? Y'know we see an interesting display of Jamie & Jon's private--no wait, personal life on this list. :) Then again, EVERYONE's private lives are on this list (maybe not quite so...so...so...happing IN the moment ON the list)....You all know more about my personal life than, like, most of my friends, my family.....Sheesh. > Ain't nothing wrong with 80's flashbacks. :) I dare all of you to read >the next two lines and not be humming this song for the next three days: > > "You spin me right 'round baby, right 'round > Like a record baby, right 'round, right 'round..." Dang it, I don't know that song. =P *evil grin* MIKE! DO YOU READ ANY OF THIS????!!!!! Do ya write poems? Huh? Huh? Huh? :) Sam the ? angel P.S. Holly, in one of yer poems you said you wrote it while listening to Sarah's song "Elsewhere." You have the line, "I am drunken by desire." I'm wondering, did you write that on purpose or did you think you were using Sarah's line? Cuz what she says is, "I am drunk in my desire." =) moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:09:31 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us) Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #130 Heya~ Okay. You thought I'd STOP? ha ha! Anyway. Points go out to Ben for the great "we are all perfect" letter.....Unique is one of my favorite words. :) >so I forgot about the poem I wrote today that I was going to send. I can't >even remember the last >time I posted a poem. It's just so beautiful >outside today (these days are VERY few and far between >in DC during the >summer) that I had to share my feelings about it. I wish we could all go >out on a >picnic or something so we could share the day, but I guess this >will have to do I know how ya feel Ben....I've written so many poems when my breath is taken away by the wind and gardens and the beauty of the day. Hey! I didn't know yer in DC! > >*wednesday* That was a pretty poem to match yer pretty day. :) > >PS- I've never heard 'Iris' or the GooGoo Dolls at all for that matter. Is >it really that good? Do I need to remedy this situation? YOU HAVEN'T HEARD IT?!?! Yes Ben, you need to. :) This is a MUST, a total and grand necessity. :P "And I don't want the world to see me, cause I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am." There ya go, Bennie-o. To Kevin & Seth: You guys keep at it. Yer in a really deep discussion and work it out n sort the knots through till the end. Seth wrote: >>But at times, just seeing that brick wall at the end of >>the tunnel instead of that light in my future really makes my day go >>dim...Life just recycles itself. You do the same thing day after day, >>with a vacation every now and then. Finally, you die sometimes with >>people spitting in your coffin even. I gotta agree with ya here Seth....I think Kevin is right that there IS variety, but sometimes I'm just like, "they're always arguing, I'm always getting up and eating and writing and sleeping and nothing changes." Of course it does, but I have those days. Kevin wrote: > But how do you know they're not sitting at home saying, "Gee, I wish >Seth would give me a call, I want to do something tonight, but I bet he's >not home?" It takes two people to communicate, and if you're sitting at >home waiting for someone to call you, then you're not communicating... don't Yeah, totally true. I used to always feel sorry for myself, sit in the corner till someone invited me to join the rest of civilization. It wasn't that they didn't want me, but I had to help include myself to be included. I used to think, "why would they want to hang with me?" But I somehow got a huge (permanent) boost of self-confidence and think, "hey, why wouldn't they?" They still wanted to hang with me before, but even more now. It's hard to include someone if they won't include themselves. Sometimes it makes people feel better (I know this from experience) if everyone begs and begs and prods and pleads, and they end up saying how great we are and then we smile and think, yup, they do like me, and we go off arm in arm to Magic Mountain. But the next day they have to do it all again. And after awhile people just can't make the effort anymore, because if I dragged and had to be pulled along, ...well it's exhausting. I have friends that I have to put my arm around and lead back into the group every 5 minutes, and it's almost not worth it. They're great people but I can't spend the whle time telling them how awesome they are. My point is, people do want to be with you, you may not believe it, but you gotta step forward and let yourself believe that they do. Sam the ? angel moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:20:21 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us) Subject: ET: angel Heya, Who was the angel who started the thread about "me" stuff? Cause if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have gotten into the "beauty" discussion (or am I wrong here)! Whatever, I say we all give a BIIIIIIIG round of applause WAHOOOOOOO ahooooooooooooooooooa YAHOOOOOOOOOZERS!!!!!!!!!!!! Here's to the never-ending discussion....... I'll be gone Friday through late Sunday so I will MISS some of it OH NO! Anyway lata peepsers.... Sam the ? angel moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:50:18 -0700 From: Karen Miller Subject: ET: RE: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 i wrote it because i wanted it to be there i know her song has a part like that i did that on purpose P.S. Holly, in one of yer poems you said you wrote it while listening to Sarah's song "Elsewhere." You have the line, "I am drunken by desire." I'm wondering, did you write that on purpose or did you think you were using Sarah's line? Cuz what she says is, "I am drunk in my desire." =) moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:25:28 -0700 From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Us) Subject: ET: good things Siiiiigh.....I guess my idea about ADMITTING OUR GOOD QUALITIES TO THE LIST got drowned in the thick molasses of Kevin & Seth's discussion (with my wittle unseen interventions). Heh heh, Sorry I had to shout there TO BE HEARD. :) =P :-D Anyway IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED then shoot right onto the list......Kevin, how about you start. Heh heh ok ok nevermind keep on task with Seth. :) Um, yeah I'll do it, soon, soon my angels......Oh Summer, great new "me" poem. :) I like eet. Eet eez berree goot, yeez eet eez. :) Oh no! It's Sam's dreaded French Accent! Lata (gotta get away from this puter with still more digests to read), Sam the ? angel ummm you guys, be dears and go to my insignificant site at http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/crazyunforgettable AND sign the guestbook!!! moonsong@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:29:08 EDT From: JonBoy911@aol.com Subject: Re: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 In a message dated 98-08-19 20:59:02 EDT, moonsong@ix.netcom.com writes: << Y'know we see an interesting display of Jamie & Jon's private--no wait, personal life on this list. :) Then again, EVERYONE's private lives are on this list (maybe not quite so...so...so...happing IN the moment ON the list)....You all know more about my personal life than, like, most of my friends, my family.....Sheesh. >> So like, Jamie and I(go figure) were talking about this online once. I said that my online friends know me better than the people I actually see on a regular basis, cause there is no worrys of rumors or privacy, and you have to take people for their soul and not what they look like(back to the beauty thread. :) And, since people are contributing songs on this list to the recent threads then I just wanna say that (shameless plug) I have my "theme song" on my webpage which I think a lot of you could relate too, especially you Seth. :) So, my web addy is http://members.aol.com/JonBoy911/index.html and for the person who asked for a pic of me from Jamie, there is one on my page, so go see my website. YAH!!! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:03:45 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: ET: Please don't send attachments to this list Hi folks :-) Today alone I've had 5 posts sent to eda-thoughts that bounced because they had attachments of some sorts. Most list serves don't allow attachments because many subscribers have email only accounts and they can't handle attachments and in some cases it causes problems for them. So please, from now on, don't send attached photos or any attachments at all with any posts sent to any smoe.org lists. Mike :-)  : \    / :                    -- o -- :                      /    \ :                             .---.           .---. :                           /      \  @    /      \ :                         / / /     \(   ) /    \ \  \ :                       //////  /    '     `       --\\\\ :                     / /   /  / :         :   --\  \  \ \ :                    //  / /   /   /`     \     --\\ \   \\ :                  / /   /  /  / /  . .  . \ \  \    \   \ \                     We are everyday angels. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:04:55 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: ET: Re: Everything that is me >> Seth D. Fulmer (kaosking@voicenet.com) writes: >Well, what good is it going to do me or anyone else if a part of it that's >not going to be seen is painted. I mean...if someone specifically asks for >it to be painted then I'd paint it but until that point, to my knowledge >it's not helping or hurting anyone. See, I was under the impression that you were serious about your claims of being a perfectionist... if you are a perfectionist, I would expect that you'd do everything in a perfect manner, be it painting all the exposed surfaces you can, or whatever other "anal retentive" details the task you're performing requires. :) I'm not saying that as a bad thing, either... when I start doing things, I tend to go way out of my way to finish the detail work, which I guess makes me pretty anal retentive. :) >I don't really care how they look at things. I mean...when I'm in public, >like at a party or something, I could care less what Sally over in the >corner or Joe who just walked in thinks about me, or my behavior. I care >what I see me do and if I would be disgusted by someone that did the same >things then I would stop(or not even do them if they're that obvious). :) Oh, but I get the feeling you *really* care how others look at things. Why else would you want to have recognition for all your skills? Where does that recognition come from? If it doesn't come from other people, and you refuse to acknowledge your own positive traits as worthwile, then I guess you're S.O.L. >I haven't achieved any goals yet. I've come close to a lot but as it's a >common euphanism..."Closeness only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades" :) Wait... you're 20? 21? And you haven't yet achieved any single goal in your life? I don't believe that, and I don't think you mean that, either. (Oh, and closeness also counts in tactical nukes. :) >My goals are still in the status of being achieved...getting a >girlfriend/wife, having a successful carreer...and I could go on and on really So everything you've done in your life so far has been in the hopes of achieving a girlfriend/wife & a good career? Again, I don't believe that, and I don't think you mean that. If you keep raising the bar every time you reach it, then of course you can say you haven't achieved any goals... but I bet you've achieved milestones & goals throughout your life. >I can't use them as what they need computer programmers for...I don't want >to do that(i.e..Year 2000 bug fixing)...I mean...For what it's worth, my >computer's safe from the bug and all the rest of the computers in the world >can go to &#@#. What I want to do, game programmer for like Nintendo, >Squaresoft, Sega, etc....I can't get a job for them until I get out of >college but still...it's not rocket science. Any 2 year old can use a >computer and it ashames me that my mom looks at me boggle-eyed when I say >"Mom, I just bought myself 2 MB of RAM" and she's like "You bought 2 what >of what?". If Y2K problems are the only thing you think the computer industry is doing right now, you are frightfully, dreadfully wrong. My cousin works for Digital Equipment Corp., and was one of the mechanical engineers who helped design the casing & board layouts for the DEC Alpha chip. I work for a company called Clariion, which specializes in large scale storage devices. My oldest brother is looking for a job right now in networking/information systems setup & administration. There's three people in three very different computer jobs. (And, as an aside - if all the other computers in the world DO go to &#@# when the millenium turns, you're going to be awful bored when your machine turns into a big Nintendo that you can't even play a networked game of Doom or Quake over. :) You're right, any 2 year old can USE a computer... but how many people can make the computer do exactly what they want, and program the computer to perform new tasks? Not something your typical 2 year old can really do all that well. I can do rudimentary programming, and I've been trying to develop my Visual C++ skills the past few months... but I'm never going to be a whiz at it, and I doubt I'm ever going to be more than mildly competent... and remember, I work in the computer industry. >I got a job through the University as a CoOP internship experience. I >learned everything I needed to know on the job and everyone on the job >thought I was a genius because when I left, I was the only one who knew how >to use the language that I, myself learned in the first place...It wasn't >that difficult. I'm sure a student in elementary or middle school could >have handled the project as well. Why do you insist on deprecating everything you accomplish? You got a job as a coop, gained valuable skills, and made money doing it... why shouldn't you be proud of that accomplishment? >I think we're getting each a different picture of "simulate". [...] >Well, in my free time, I take a situation that I've been in, say a >party that I was at recently...and reform the sequence of events >in my mind. Then, doing that possibility analization, I go >through until I reach a "perfect solution"...and until I >do, I correct what I did over and over. No, I think I have a crystal-clear idea of what you mean by "simulate", and I *still* think you're assuming a lot about other people that you don't know. Unless you live in a vacuum (in which case, you'd be a really, really big red stain on the walls very quickly :), any situation that you get into involves other people in some way. Seeing as it is absolutely impossible for you to *know* how they will react, and it is absolutely impossible for you to take into account every single possible variable, you're forced to make a WHOLE lot of assumptions when you try to "simulate" anything in your mind. When you make those assumptions, you automatically make any "perfect" solution imperfect. >Well, I did tell my mom several times already that I regretted that she >ever had me. I wish she would have had an abortion January or February of >1977...She just slaps me or ignores me and walks away. Why in god's name would you say something like that to your own mother?? I'd say her reaction is perfectly understandable. Let me ask this... would you tell anybody else that they deserved to be aborted, for any reason? >Well, like you were saying in another email about being laid back and >stuff...well, I was thinking about how I react in a Party situation and why >so. Well, basically I tend to hang with people I know or sit by myself >because if I walk up to someone, talk to them and they ask me something >like "Who the h&#@ are you?" or "Why should I talk to you?" like I've been >asked in one form of another...ya know, those "Why" questions...I'd have no >reasons. There is absolutely no reason anyone should speak to me or anyone >else. Now, I could be a wisea$$ and make some crack about something but >that's not me :) My point in that other email was the "laid back" approach doesn't *work*, 99% of the time. The only reason my friend gets away with it is because he's reasonably good-looking and dresses nicely, so sometimes the girl will want to talk to him enough that she'll come up to him. Now, I don't mean to say that I'm some Joe Stud when it comes to talking to a girl, but I have always had better luck when I get a mild attack of bravery and go over and say, "Hi, how's it going?" or something to that effect than when I sit there across the room and try to do the "look at me, I'm a disaffected, sultry underwear model." That crap works for disaffected, sultry underwear models, which, unfortunately, I'm not. >Well, even going to work every day...even if you go a different way each >day...isn't enough change. It's still the same ol' boring day. I'm >looking for adventure which I got every now and then in my job this past >fall, but still not enough. [...]That sort of adventure....the sort where you're a >little afraid but more curious and afterwards you want to do it again but >in a different way. Unfortunately, working every day is one of those things you have to do to in order to be able to have some fun and adventure. My brother got married in Williamsburg (Virginia) last weekend... I had to fly down to Norfolk, somehow make my way to Williamsburg... seeing as this is the first time I've ever flown anywhere by myself, it involved a lot of running around (adventure, if you will) and figuring out of what was going on. Next month, I'm going to visit my other brother down in Shreveport (Louisiana), which should be another bit of fun. The weekend before I go to Shreveport, I may (not sure yet) be going white water rafting in Maine with some friends from work. I just came in from playing in my hockey game, something I always enjoy, but which still costs money... All of this excitement (in addition to raising hell with my sleep schedule... :) costs money, which requires me to work, and endure a bit of drudgery. In the final analysis, the fun weekends make up for the boring weekdays, though. >I see what you mean...but still somebody telling me they like a certain >poem...still does me no satisfaction because that's not what I wrote the >poem for. [...] but it bugs me when people like other stuff that I didn't >intend...and in reality I wrote the literature(poetry and compositions) for >the purposes of feelings not getting recognition. You can't control how other people interpret your writing. But you can still take pride in the fact that you can write something that somebody else likes, and that somebody else can take meaning from. >That brother Evelyn >from my fraternity lives in Plattsburgh, NY and she wants me to call her >but when I call a girl up, it's like "Why am I calling? Why am I wasting >$40 of my parents(or my) phone bill?" Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason you'd be calling her would be because it's a chance to talk with a friend, and she WANTS you to call her to keep in touch with you? If she WANTS you to call, why are you hesitant to call? >Well, soccer does have a use and poetry does have a use as well as you >showed...but even a propagandist...do you really think if that pamphlet >caused the troops to surrender worked...(or if it didn't) that the person >who made it would get the credit? I doubt it. :=) And again, I thought you did things without a care for what other people think, good or bad? That's what you've been saying all along, and now you're upset that you wouldn't be showcased as the national hero? Make up your mind which way you want to think... The point was (and, again, still is) - you still would have saved thousands of lives, which is something that, no matter who knows about it, it's still a pretty cool thing to have done. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "I feel like a quote out of context, withholding the rest, So I can be for you what you want to see; I got the gestures, sounds, I got the timing down, It's uncanny, yeah you'd think it was me; Do you think I should take a class to lose my southern accent? Did I make me up, or make a face 'til it stuck? I do the best imitation of myself..." -----(Ben Folds Five)----- ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #132 **********************************