From: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org (eda-thoughts-digest) To: eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Subject: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #131 Reply-To: eda-thoughts@smoe.org Sender: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-eda-thoughts-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk eda-thoughts-digest Wednesday, August 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ET: Re: holly's post ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] Re: ET: Re: "perfect" ["Seth D. Fulmer" ] ET: Discussions on this list.... [Cris Eichler ] Re: ET: Discussions on this list.... ["Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: holly's post At 11:29 AM 8/19/98 -0700, Us wrote: >Heya~ Howdy :) >Hurt your family how? Physically? Hell no. Mentally? Not on purpose. I >make it a point to not trash myself in front of them. It'd not only hurt >my parents but it would lower their opinion of me. I try to stay focused >on the goods, and not dwell in hell for too long. I would hate to see the >look on my mother's face (it would be totally hurt and broken) if I told >her something like, "I hate myself, I hate...." And if I meant it, she >would be so hurt, because she is who brought me up, she'd feel like a >failure. Well, I don't hate myself...I love my true self...I just hate all the nasty things and feelings that live at the depths of my mind, soul, heart, etc. :) Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Cool Quotes and stuff :) "So don't tell me why he's never been good to you So don't tell me why he's never been there for you Don't you know that why is simply not good enough Oh...So, just let me try and I will be good to you Just let me try and I will be there for you I'll show you why is so much more than good enough" - "Good enough", Sarah McLachlan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:35:29 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Re: "perfect" >>> Us writes: >>I was just thinking, who and what really DEFINES what perfect is anyway? Perfect is Everything...If you ask everyone what perfect is...take all of their answers and put them together and you have perfect. Obviously some of the answers will contradict as this is one of the reasons. Once perfection is achieved(or so one will thinks)...you still have one thing not yet achieved...Imperfection therefore to have perfection you must have mastered both perfection and imperfection as well. So, in essence, Perfection is everything and it's opposite..matter and antimatter, emotion and stoicism, bravery and fear, anxiety and nervousness, depression and mania, intelligence and stupidity...the entire range of everything from absolute maximum to absolute minimum in the negative direction. That is perfect if you have/are it. Seth Fulmer mailto:usfulmer@mcs.drexel.edu mailto:st96t879@post.drexel.edu mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com webpages: http://www.voicenet.com/~kaosking Cool Quotes and stuff :) "So don't tell me why he's never been good to you So don't tell me why he's never been there for you Don't you know that why is simply not good enough Oh...So, just let me try and I will be good to you Just let me try and I will be there for you I'll show you why is so much more than good enough" - "Good enough", Sarah McLachlan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:05:01 +0200 From: Cris Eichler Subject: ET: Discussions on this list.... Hi all, In response to some messages that asked to stop recent threads about beauty, perfection etc. I just like to say: Don't stop it ! I want more of this. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed those last few days on the list when on top of all the usual great poetry, we had some very interesting and insightful posts on the above topics. Of course there are disagreements between list members, but what's the problem with that? If there's a place where discussions about controversial issues can take place without starting a flame war it should be on this list as we seem to have quite a close group of no too dumb people ;-) So come on, let us discuss, let us argue and ,hey maybe we all can learn something in the process.... What do you think ?? Cheers ! Cris mailto:cris@okay.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:20:29 -0400 From: "Seth D. Fulmer" Subject: Re: ET: Discussions on this list.... At 12:05 AM 8/20/98 +0200, Cris Eichler wrote: >In response to some messages that asked to stop recent threads about >beauty, perfection etc. I just like to say: Don't stop it ! I want >more of this. I agree!! :) >I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed those last few days on the list me too :) Incredible fun! :) It takes a lot of my time but it's fun :) >So come on, let us discuss, let us argue and ,hey maybe we all can >learn something in the process.... >What do you think ?? That's what I had hoped...I wanted to take it offline earlier but then I thought that if I can learn something about myself and others through the list discussion then bygollygee!, I want to do it :) Seth D. Fulmer :) mailto:kaosking@voicenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:42:48 From: genben@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: ET: perfection]] Hey, > Hey...I never said in other people's eyes...I want the ability to best > anyone. I don't care what anyone thinks. If someone has a problem with me > when I'm perfect I'll be able to kick him out of the way...but if I'm > perfect I doubt I'll care enough about him and will just let him go on > thinking whatever he wants. Now, I admit I'm probably speaking very harsh > here...I mean every word of it, but I don't mean any offense. I said I > want absolute perfection in the terms that even if there were nobody on the > planet or the universe I still would want to be perfect. How can you say in the same breath that you wan't to best anyone and yet you don't care what anyone thinks? Going by your logic of previous messages, we derive our value through opther people's perceptions and not our own, so what good is it to beat someone if you don't care what their response is? And again, you are not offending me. I am quite honestly appalled, however, at some of the things you have said lately. I'm very concerned about you. I hope your social skills are better than they seem, because for a person who obviously DOES care what other people think, you seem to have no idea how to make a positive impresssion. AND, if there were no one on the planet, who would you beat? By your apparent definition of perfection, having no one on the planet would mean that perfection is impossible, because it is borne out of a superiority, and with no one to be superior to, there is therefore no perfection. > I don't think you're attacking me. I can tell that you're upset(or so it > seems on my end)...Please don't be upset. First of all, you didn't insult > me, or point out any flaws with the attempt of hurting me, or physically > attack me(it's impossible to do that hehe :))...so don't worry. I'm not upset. As I said, I'm, concerned and I am also fed up with your condecenscion. You see, Seth, what you strive for is against what I believe in. You are trying to be better than everyone else, and I don't feel that is possible. You want to be Ubermensch, which is, in my mind, a ridiculous goal. Along your path you have developed an attitude towards other people that lowers them in your eyes. You act towards people in your messages as if they were your playthings, completely disregarding their value. I am not less than you, and you will never be better than me, just as I will never be better than you. I spend my life trying to make people aware of the other beings around them and to have a little kindness when dealing with their habitat. I'm not a tree-hugger, I just try to raise awareness and understanding of your surroundings. you are extremely aware of what is around you, but all you see are obstacles instead of neighbors. You don't understand the things around you because to you everything is alien and enemy. We're all in this together, my friend, you and me and all the little critters in the forest. Deal with it. You will never acheive your goal. There is no supreme power, so you can't attain it. Just be a part of the system, and stop trying to run it. You say you're a perfectionist. I say you're a control freak. > Most people can't offend me either. They annoy me, but not offend me. > Just a suggestion(you don't have to take it of course)...when I meet people > who are as dedicated as you seem to be with the "I'm above that" and "I > don't care if...", I tend to go out of my way to make them fail in their > task. If I didn't know you and I was on the track team, I'd probably go > out of my way to make you lose the race. I suck at track anyways...I'm > good at short distance running but I lack endurance. I'm not trying to > offend or attack you. Just remember that, ok? :) Take care and Have a > Great Day!! :) Why would you do that? why go out of your way to destroy someone else's plans, hopes, dreams? That's arrogant and juvenile. I would hope that at your age you would have outgrown measuring dicks, but I guess some people never get over that (that's what war is all about, after all). You talk about reading Neruda and Shakespeare, but have you learned anything from them? Shakespeare spent a large amount of time writing about how power hungry men were bound to fail. Take Iago for example. He was jealous of Cassio (repressed homosexuality) for getting the promotion to lieutenant that he had wanted. I think it's because he was in love with Othello, which is also why he decided to ruin Desdemona, but that's beside the point. His jealousy and desire to be powerful were his downfall. In trying to ruin others, he ruined himself. This is an underlying theme in many of Shakespeare's plays. King Lear is another example, as is MacBeth. Don't kid yourself. You may listen, but you're not hearing. sincerely, Ben ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:52:31 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #126 In a message dated 8/19/98 1:31:42 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-eda- thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << >You are so totally right. :) Ah, that is just sweet sweet music. Who says you can't have it all? :) I just want it known, I DID NOT PAY HER TO SAY THAT. :) >You're right again..... This just gets better and better. I'm beside myself with joy. :) >> You need to shutup Kevin...you know you're the bomb =) Love, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:54:25 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #126 In a message dated 8/19/98 1:31:42 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-eda- thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Anwyay, i have some naturally super-thin friends who eat and exercise perfectly healthily, but are still majorly-skinny and even bony - far from everyone being like "yea, way to go", they all get random people saying "Are you anorexic", pals of one girl's boyfrend always ask him if he's fed her lately and a lot of people reject them because of that. Just because someone is skinny does not mean they're sick, anorexic or a weight-freak. >> Oh...Summer, I'm sorry you thought that, cuz that is not what I meant. And I definitaly wasn't calling Fiona anorexic...I just meant she's too skinny. I myself am skinnier than I would like to be...bt my metabolism's too high, so I can't do anything about it. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:56:37 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #126 In a message dated 8/19/98 1:31:42 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-eda- thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << I've always favored brown hair over blonde or red, anyway. >> bite me, I'm blonde ;-) Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:07:10 -0400 From: "Nina Edlund" Subject: ET: Thought on Appearance and something else My mind is in a fog; forgive me should I be incoherent... Why is appearance so important to so many people? Is it because we associate beauty with happiness? With people who are anorexic (sorry to pull this up again), the motivation to lose weight is not based in the drive to be 'beautiful'. It's a crontrol thing. Everything else in their lives is chaotic and they cling to something that gives them a false sense of control (of course, it ends up controlling them...). Also, anorexia is a slow form of suicide. They want to die. And many recovering anorexics fear gaining weight because they are afraid that if they look good, people will think they are happy. They want their outsides to reflect how bad they are feeling inside. A very passive-aggressive cry for help. It's just all messed up, man. Who decided that beauty is supposed to equal happiness? Anyway... As countless people worry about their complexion, hair and body, there are greater issues that we just don't think about enough. Yesterday, I left work to run across the street to buy some candy. There was a guy sitting on the corner, begging for change and obviously homeless. This guy was - -young- .. like, mid-teens at the absolute max. I gave him some money, bought him some food .. but all I wanted to do was take him home, give him a bath and a warm bed to sleep in, and tell him that everything would be okay. I thought about him all night and all day. When I got off work, he was there on that corner again. Once more, I bought him some food and drink ... My heart is just breaking. I want to do more but I don't know what I can do. What kind of life has this kid had to get him to the point he's at now? No one should be homeless, especially someone as young as this kid. It puts things in perspective, you know? Totally bummed out, Nina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:14:39 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: la ti da...sick of me yet? In a message dated 8/19/98 11:58:03 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-eda- thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << Neruda (I'm sure everybody here has heard that name... (thanks, Jamie!) :)? >Dickinson? Byron? Plath? Angelou? >> glad to be of service! (Don't forget Keats!) <> I agree...I met Seth on ICQ like that...and I think out of the blue "I loved your webpage!"s (note: this is how I met Kevin...hehe), and "loved your profile"s kinda make my day =) <> Hi Heidi =) Okay...now I didn't think they were doing this. This conversation is interesting me very much, so I'm reading every point. Now just because 2 people disagree doesn't necessarilly make them fussing, or trying to change anyone's mind. They're both just trying to show each other (and everyone) their point and why they feel that way. Makes for a pretty damn good conversation if you ask me. If everyone agreed with everyone...conversations would suck! I for one, think they both have some damn interesting points and it's fun to think "Oh wait...he's got a point, too!" So...Shutup Jamie. =) Love, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:16:50 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #128 In a message dated 8/19/98 1:28:02 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-eda- thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << I think if this discussion continues(which doesn't bother me...it's quite fun), we should take it offline so as to not annoy anyone :) >> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! If you do, I think you should forward them all to me =) SOrry for the multitude of postings, I'm catching up! Love, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:27:10 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: eda-thoughts-digest V1 #129 In a message dated 8/19/98 3:31:52 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-eda- thoughts-digest@smoe.org writes: << yah, you just want lust for an evening and not a relationship., right? >> what the fuh? Only an evening? Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:29:04 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: ET: Re: hmmm... << Heh. Sorry 'bout that. I do tend to get carried away. :) I like to ramble... and for that reason, I'm going to make a KILLER grumpy old geezer. That's my plan... get old, get grumpy, and start telling everybody exactly what I think about EVERYTHING, whether or not they ask. (I suppose the only real difference is, I'm not really old yet. :)>> Don't worry about it Kevin...I love it =) <> I said who rocks the party that rocks the party??? everybody say ooah ooah! <> hehe...I feel so cool =) << Ain't nothing wrong with 80's flashbacks. :) I dare all of you to read the next two lines and not be humming this song for the next three days: "You spin me right 'round baby, right 'round Like a record baby, right 'round, right 'round...">> YOU ARE EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love, Jamei ------------------------------ End of eda-thoughts-digest V1 #131 **********************************