From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V16 #2385 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, October 24 2018 Volume 16 : Number 2385 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Kate Daisy Grant, Blackheart Orchestra [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] Kate Daisy Grant, Blackheart Orchestra [Ellen Rawson ] Re: The question that no-one dares to ask [Jon Wesley Huff ] Re: The question that no-one dares to ask [Jon Wesley Huff ] Re: The question that no-one dares to ask ["Green, Patrick" Subject: Re: Kate Daisy Grant, Blackheart Orchestra Thank you for the recs! On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:46 PM Ellen Rawson wrote: > Since Ecto seems to be up and running again, I'd like to recommend a > couple of lesser known UK acts. > > Nick Pynn and Kate Daisy Grant > We saw them for the third time last week at the Art House in Southampton.* > They are a married couple based in Brighton, UK, who support each other > musically, playing numerous instruments each and performing as each other's > backing band. Kate Daisy Grant's main instruments are keyboards, including > a toy piano, and her songs really should be better known. > > Here's one of her official videos, for a song called "Silent Night". As > she says, it has nothing to do with the Christmas song. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=AGD503CEGEQ > > > Here she is live performing "Ding Dong The Bitch is Dead" at the Art House > back in 2013. She says that it wasn't written about Margaret Thatcher, but > it could have been. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_nNvpjZt4 > > Blackheart Orchestra is a duo, Chryssy Mostyn and Richard Pilkington, > that started out acoustic folk and gradually became more electronica > progressive. We saw them at the Art House also. They are responsible for > our August holiday to Erfurt, Germany. In introducing their song "Wake Up", > they told the audience about Erfurt's Kramerbrucke, a cobbled merchant's > bridge lined with half-timbered homes and shops dating back to medieval > times. They were walking over the bridge en route to their hotel after a > gig very late at night. Towards one end of the bridge is a traditional > puppeteer's shop that features a Theatrum Mundi in its window. Place a euro > coin in the slot and the theatre comes to life, with puppets acting out the > story of Snow White. It seemed to go well with "Wake Up". > > They said it was the cheapest video they ever made -- 8 euros to get > enough shots with their iPhones. (They did obtain the puppeteer's > permission, btw.) Here's "Wake Up". > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-aQXlLl5VE > > Blackheart are currently opening for Hawkwind in the UK and are revelling > on social media about the huge venues they're playing! (They've previously > opened for Renaissance in the UK.) And we really enjoyed our time in > Erfurt. I've been in the Society for Creative Anachronism since 1979, so > the merchant's bridge, one of the oldest surviving synagogues in Europe > (now housing the Erfurt Treasure), a cathedral etc. had me in my element. :) > > *The Art House is a wonderful community arts cooperative in Southampton, > UK. Downstairs is a vegetarian/vegan cafe and coffee shop that also sells > crafts, used clothing and locally produced artwork. Various arts workshops > are held downstairs and upstairs as well, and upstairs also houses a small > stage and theatre area. It's a very welcoming place that is politically > progressive and, for me, a breath of fresh air. They somehow get by on a > shoestring budget (three low-paid staff and a lot of volunteers) and are > the type of place that, as Kate Daisy Grant said last week, need to be > supported to stay alive. > > Ellen > > -- > Ellen Rawson > ellenr@fastmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 03:00:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *************** Dave Steiner (steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu) **************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kat Crowder Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Hope Wed November 05 2008 Scorpio Ceci Whitehurst Mon November 07 1960 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Neb Rodgers Tue November 10 1959 Space Available - Inquire Within Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Craig Gidney November 11 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Luz Burrow Sat November 12 1966 Happy Cat Jenny Bruce Mon November 14 1966 fire-horse scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Sun - Capricorn Moon - Virgo Ascent Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:43:30 +0100 From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Kate Daisy Grant, Blackheart Orchestra Since Ecto seems to be up and running again, I'd like to recommend a couple of lesser known UK acts. Nick Pynn and Kate Daisy Grant We saw them for the third time last week at the Art House in Southampton.* They are a married couple based in Brighton, UK, who support each other musically, playing numerous instruments each and performing as each other's backing band. Kate Daisy Grant's main instruments are keyboards, including a toy piano, and her songs really should be better known. Here's one of her official videos, for a song called "Silent Night". As she says, it has nothing to do with the Christmas song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=AGD503CEGEQ Here she is live performing "Ding Dong The Bitch is Dead" at the Art House back in 2013. She says that it wasn't written about Margaret Thatcher, but it could have been. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_nNvpjZt4 Blackheart Orchestra is a duo, Chryssy Mostyn and Richard Pilkington, that started out acoustic folk and gradually became more electronica progressive. We saw them at the Art House also. They are responsible for our August holiday to Erfurt, Germany. In introducing their song "Wake Up", they told the audience about Erfurt's Kramerbrucke, a cobbled merchant's bridge lined with half-timbered homes and shops dating back to medieval times. They were walking over the bridge en route to their hotel after a gig very late at night. Towards one end of the bridge is a traditional puppeteer's shop that features a Theatrum Mundi in its window. Place a euro coin in the slot and the theatre comes to life, with puppets acting out the story of Snow White. It seemed to go well with "Wake Up". They said it was the cheapest video they ever made -- 8 euros to get enough shots with their iPhones. (They did obtain the puppeteer's permission, btw.) Here's "Wake Up". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-aQXlLl5VE Blackheart are currently opening for Hawkwind in the UK and are revelling on social media about the huge venues they're playing! (They've previously opened for Renaissance in the UK.) And we really enjoyed our time in Erfurt. I've been in the Society for Creative Anachronism since 1979, so the merchant's bridge, one of the oldest surviving synagogues in Europe (now housing the Erfurt Treasure), a cathedral etc. had me in my element. :) *The Art House is a wonderful community arts cooperative in Southampton, UK. Downstairs is a vegetarian/vegan cafe and coffee shop that also sells crafts, used clothing and locally produced artwork. Various arts workshops are held downstairs and upstairs as well, and upstairs also houses a small stage and theatre area. It's a very welcoming place that is politically progressive and, for me, a breath of fresh air. They somehow get by on a shoestring budget (three low-paid staff and a lot of volunteers) and are the type of place that, as Kate Daisy Grant said last week, need to be supported to stay alive. Ellen - -- Ellen Rawson ellenr@fastmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:32:38 -0700 From: Seneca Spurling Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask I could do without the birthday reminders, myself, but I could also just have gmail make it so i never see them, so it's not a big deal. I don't mind that the list is usually quiet and occasionally not. I still find it quite valuable and love getting recommendations here. Even if there's just a few of us still here - I value the connection we have. I personally would not like to see us try to move to slack or facebook. I still use facebook but some people do not and I would not want anyone to feel pressured to do so. And I wouldn't participate more if this was a facebook group. In fact I might partcipate less as I'm very specific with my facebook use. And slack, ugh, I use it because I have to for work but am always behind on personal slack and would not find it at all useful for catching up on or looking up music recommendations and info. I will try to think to recommend things I discover here more often. I've never done a very good job of that! - -seneca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: neile Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask I miss ecto recs. I think the problem is that ecto is an email list, and email has become where most of us deal with daily work (ugh), so few of us (does anyone?) look forward to it anymore or make many personal communications with it. Texting has taken over the myriad personal emails I used to send. I do still read all the messages that come through here. Honestly, all my email lists are like this. Social media has moved most of us off email for these things and scattered us all to the winds with no common, viable replacement. I wish there were one for ecto. I rarely, rarely get good musical recommendations out of other places, and I can't think of any I've gotten from commercial places like amazon. I tried Spotify but it didn't particularly work for me as my musical interests are more particular than general. For social media I'm occasionally on Facebook and Twitter but don't love either venue and have never been drawn to the myriad of others that wax and wane. On several small-group social Slacks, but none of them are very active. FWIW, The Ectophiles' Guide has a Facebook page, but I'm never put the effort into making it anything. And I know so many people who don't want to or have burned out on Facebook. And Twitter. Etc. I do listen to less music than I used to but always have a playlist of current favourites in my car and often while walking and doing household tasks. Music still really matters to me. Right now I'm still obsessing with the new Emma Ruth Rundle and anticipating the new Julia Holter. I first heard of them both here, I think. I get most of my new music to look into from Mojo magazine and my partner's obsessive reading of Stereogum, Pitchfork, etc. And I've been going through our older music and rediscovering music I'd forgotten. I've been surprised how many albums I considered favourites that sound new or at least unfamiliar to me again. Also, alarmingly, I just turned 60. 60!! - --Neile On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > I think part of it, too, is that as it feels like there's less > participants, there's less of a reason to take the time to type up your > thoughts on new albums? I still get into.a lot of new artists, largely > thanks to Spotify. I buy vinyl albums of the artists I like best. But, I'll > admit, I don't have much of an outlet to share it with people these days. > There's been a few times I thought of sharing my thoughts, but then I > think... well, is anyone going to read this? Or respond? > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:49 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington > wrote: > >> And FWIW, I think the issue is that the list's participants are aging, and >> there is a fair amount of research that shows that after a certain age, >> most people hit a limit on how much new music they can absorb and just keep >> listening to what they already loveb based upon the messages here in the >> past couple of years, I think that there's only a few of us still listening >> to a large amount of new music on a regular basis, and that most folks >> maybe find a new album or two a most per year. I don't think there's >> anything wrong with that. >> >> ~Tim >> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington >> >> wrote: >> >>> There was a good flurry of activity around botht he Security Project >> shows >>> and the release of Ectotrophia, and I've yet to see a year where a good >>> number of us didn't chime in with our annual best-ofs. I'm happy the list >>> is still kicking in whatever form. >>> >>> ~Tim >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:54 AM Marcel Rijs wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have been reading up on my ecto digests this morning and it struck me >>>> tha= >>>> t over the past month there have been a handful of e-mails (a.o. about >>>> the = >>>> Kate Bush Remastered box set and Bobby McFerrin) and an almost daily >>>> remind= >>>> er of birthdays. >>>> >>>> Ecto used to be so lively in the old days, but it now looks like it has >>>> bee= >>>> n abandoned by most. >>>> "You're a good one to talk", everyone screams now. >>>> Yes, I have not posted in a long time either. >>>> >>>> But perhaps this is the question that no-one dares to ask: >>>> Is ecto still relevant? When everyone is lurking and almost no-one is >>>> maili= >>>> ng, what is the purpose of this mailing list? >>>> >>>> We can't force anyone to send e-mails, of course, but a deadish mailing >>>> lis= >>>> t is a bit boring too. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Marcel Rijs. >>>> [Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands] >>>> Prins Willem-Alexanderhof 5 | 2595 BE Den Haag >>>> Postbus 90407 | 2509 LK Den Haag | (070) 314 09 11 | www.kb.nl< >>>> https://www.= >>>> kb.nl/> >>>> [https://www.kb.nl/sites/default/files/dots.jpg] >>>> English version | Disclaimer< >>>> https://www.kb.nl/= >>>> disclaimer> >>>> < >>>> https://twitter= >>>> .com/KB_Nederland> >>>> [cid:Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.p= >>>> ng] >>>> [cid:Twitter20px_= >>>> 8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] < >>>> https://twitter.com/KB_Nederland= >>>>> [cid:In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] < >>>> https://ww= >>>> w.linkedin.com/company/164625> >>>> [cid:instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-= >>>> 8cb641eae7bb.png] >>>> >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a >> name >>>> of Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.png] >>>> >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a >> name >>>> of Twitter20px_8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] >>>> >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a >> name >>>> of In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] >>>> >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a >> name >>>> of instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-8cb641eae7bb.png] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:59:32 -0500 From: Jon Wesley Huff Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask I think part of it, too, is that as it feels like there's less participants, there's less of a reason to take the time to type up your thoughts on new albums? I still get into.a lot of new artists, largely thanks to Spotify. I buy vinyl albums of the artists I like best. But, I'll admit, I don't have much of an outlet to share it with people these days. There's been a few times I thought of sharing my thoughts, but then I think... well, is anyone going to read this? Or respond? On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:49 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington wrote: > And FWIW, I think the issue is that the list's participants are aging, and > there is a fair amount of research that shows that after a certain age, > most people hit a limit on how much new music they can absorb and just keep > listening to what they already loveb based upon the messages here in the > past couple of years, I think that there's only a few of us still listening > to a large amount of new music on a regular basis, and that most folks > maybe find a new album or two a most per year. I don't think there's > anything wrong with that. > > ~Tim > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington > > wrote: > > > There was a good flurry of activity around botht he Security Project > shows > > and the release of Ectotrophia, and I've yet to see a year where a good > > number of us didn't chime in with our annual best-ofs. I'm happy the list > > is still kicking in whatever form. > > > > ~Tim > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:54 AM Marcel Rijs wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have been reading up on my ecto digests this morning and it struck me > >> tha= > >> t over the past month there have been a handful of e-mails (a.o. about > >> the = > >> Kate Bush Remastered box set and Bobby McFerrin) and an almost daily > >> remind= > >> er of birthdays. > >> > >> Ecto used to be so lively in the old days, but it now looks like it has > >> bee= > >> n abandoned by most. > >> "You're a good one to talk", everyone screams now. > >> Yes, I have not posted in a long time either. > >> > >> But perhaps this is the question that no-one dares to ask: > >> Is ecto still relevant? When everyone is lurking and almost no-one is > >> maili= > >> ng, what is the purpose of this mailing list? > >> > >> We can't force anyone to send e-mails, of course, but a deadish mailing > >> lis= > >> t is a bit boring too. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> Marcel Rijs. > >> [Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands] > >> Prins Willem-Alexanderhof 5 | 2595 BE Den Haag > >> Postbus 90407 | 2509 LK Den Haag | (070) 314 09 11 | www.kb.nl< > >> https://www.= > >> kb.nl/> > >> [https://www.kb.nl/sites/default/files/dots.jpg] > >> English version | Disclaimer< > >> https://www.kb.nl/= > >> disclaimer> > >> < > >> https://twitter= > >> .com/KB_Nederland> > >> [cid:Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.p= > >> ng] > >> [cid:Twitter20px_= > >> 8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] < > >> https://twitter.com/KB_Nederland= > >> > [cid:In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] < > >> https://ww= > >> w.linkedin.com/company/164625> > >> [cid:instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-= > >> 8cb641eae7bb.png] > >> > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > name > >> of Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.png] > >> > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > name > >> of Twitter20px_8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] > >> > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > name > >> of In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] > >> > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > name > >> of instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-8cb641eae7bb.png] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:32:39 -0500 From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask If there was a facebook group, I would probably participate periodically as I have occasionally in Vickie's Happy group, but I actually appreciate that we are still old school here and separate from that noise. But while we are on the subject of recommendations, the new Lucy Wainwright Roche, St Vincent (acoustic/ piano based reinterpretations of every song on Masseduction), Neneh Cherry and Arc Iris are all amazing. Arc Iris, in particular, is a VERY ecto friendly group I havent noticed anyone discussing here. Jocie Adams' voice sometimes sounds uncannily like Jane Siberry's, and the compositions are prog rock and chamber pop-ish. In addition to their recent release, they did an awesome reinterpretation of Joni Mitchell's BLUE earlier this year, as in their own version of the entire album. ~Tim On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:54 AM neile wrote: > I miss ecto recs. > > I think the problem is that ecto is an email list, and email has become > where most of us deal with daily work (ugh), so few of us (does anyone?) > look forward to it anymore or make many personal communications with it. > Texting has taken over the myriad personal emails I used to send. I do > still read all the messages that come through here. > > Honestly, all my email lists are like this. Social media has moved most of > us off email for these things and scattered us all to the winds with no > common, viable replacement. > > I wish there were one for ecto. I rarely, rarely get good musical > recommendations out of other places, and I can't think of any I've gotten > from commercial places like amazon. I tried Spotify but it didn't > particularly work for me as my musical interests are more particular than > general. For social media I'm occasionally on Facebook and Twitter but > don't love either venue and have never been drawn to the myriad of others > that wax and wane. On several small-group social Slacks, but none of them > are very active. > > FWIW, The Ectophiles' Guide has a Facebook page, but I'm never put the > effort into making it anything. And I know so many people who don't want > to or have burned out on Facebook. And Twitter. Etc. > > I do listen to less music than I used to but always have a playlist of > current favourites in my car and often while walking and doing household > tasks. Music still really matters to me. > > Right now I'm still obsessing with the new Emma Ruth Rundle and > anticipating the new Julia Holter. I first heard of them both here, I > think. > > I get most of my new music to look into from Mojo magazine and my > partner's obsessive reading of Stereogum, Pitchfork, etc. > > And I've been going through our older music and rediscovering music I'd > forgotten. I've been surprised how many albums I considered favourites > that sound new or at least unfamiliar to me again. > > Also, alarmingly, I just turned 60. 60!! > > --Neile > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > > > I think part of it, too, is that as it feels like there's less > > participants, there's less of a reason to take the time to type up your > > thoughts on new albums? I still get into.a lot of new artists, largely > > thanks to Spotify. I buy vinyl albums of the artists I like best. But, > I'll > > admit, I don't have much of an outlet to share it with people these days. > > There's been a few times I thought of sharing my thoughts, but then I > > think... well, is anyone going to read this? Or respond? > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:49 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington < > timjy@sbcglobal.net> > > wrote: > > > >> And FWIW, I think the issue is that the list's participants are aging, > and > >> there is a fair amount of research that shows that after a certain age, > >> most people hit a limit on how much new music they can absorb and just > keep > >> listening to what they already loveb based upon the messages here in the > >> past couple of years, I think that there's only a few of us still > listening > >> to a large amount of new music on a regular basis, and that most folks > >> maybe find a new album or two a most per year. I don't think there's > >> anything wrong with that. > >> > >> ~Tim > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington < > timjy@sbcglobal.net > >>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> There was a good flurry of activity around botht he Security Project > >> shows > >>> and the release of Ectotrophia, and I've yet to see a year where a > good > >>> number of us didn't chime in with our annual best-ofs. I'm happy the > list > >>> is still kicking in whatever form. > >>> > >>> ~Tim > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:54 AM Marcel Rijs wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> I have been reading up on my ecto digests this morning and it struck > me > >>>> tha= > >>>> t over the past month there have been a handful of e-mails (a.o. about > >>>> the = > >>>> Kate Bush Remastered box set and Bobby McFerrin) and an almost daily > >>>> remind= > >>>> er of birthdays. > >>>> > >>>> Ecto used to be so lively in the old days, but it now looks like it > has > >>>> bee= > >>>> n abandoned by most. > >>>> "You're a good one to talk", everyone screams now. > >>>> Yes, I have not posted in a long time either. > >>>> > >>>> But perhaps this is the question that no-one dares to ask: > >>>> Is ecto still relevant? When everyone is lurking and almost no-one is > >>>> maili= > >>>> ng, what is the purpose of this mailing list? > >>>> > >>>> We can't force anyone to send e-mails, of course, but a deadish > mailing > >>>> lis= > >>>> t is a bit boring too. > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards, > >>>> > >>>> Marcel Rijs. > >>>> [Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands] > >>>> Prins Willem-Alexanderhof 5 | 2595 BE Den Haag > >>>> Postbus 90407 | 2509 LK Den Haag | (070) 314 09 11 | www.kb.nl< > >>>> https://www.= > >>>> kb.nl/> > >>>> [https://www.kb.nl/sites/default/files/dots.jpg] > >>>> English version | Disclaimer< > >>>> https://www.kb.nl/= > >>>> disclaimer> > >>>> < > >>>> https://twitter= > >>>> .com/KB_Nederland> > >>>> [cid:Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.p= > >>>> ng] > >>>> [cid:Twitter20px_= > >>>> 8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] < > >>>> https://twitter.com/KB_Nederland= > >>>>> [cid:In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] < > >>>> https://ww= > >>>> w.linkedin.com/company/164625> > >>>> [cid:instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-= > >>>> 8cb641eae7bb.png] > >>>> > >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > >> name > >>>> of Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.png] > >>>> > >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > >> name > >>>> of Twitter20px_8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] > >>>> > >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > >> name > >>>> of In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] > >>>> > >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > >> name > >>>> of instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-8cb641eae7bb.png] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:53:03 +0000 From: Marcel Rijs Subject: The question that no-one dares to ask Hi all, I have been reading up on my ecto digests this morning and it struck me tha= t over the past month there have been a handful of e-mails (a.o. about the = Kate Bush Remastered box set and Bobby McFerrin) and an almost daily remind= er of birthdays. Ecto used to be so lively in the old days, but it now looks like it has bee= n abandoned by most. "You're a good one to talk", everyone screams now. Yes, I have not posted in a long time either. But perhaps this is the question that no-one dares to ask: Is ecto still relevant? When everyone is lurking and almost no-one is maili= ng, what is the purpose of this mailing list? We can't force anyone to send e-mails, of course, but a deadish mailing lis= t is a bit boring too. Kind regards, Marcel Rijs. [Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands] Prins Willem-Alexanderhof 5 | 2595 BE Den Haag Postbus 90407 | 2509 LK Den Haag | (070) 314 09 11 | www.kb.nl [https://www.kb.nl/sites/default/files/dots.jpg] English version | Disclaimer [cid:Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.p= ng] [cid:Twitter20px_= 8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] [cid:In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] [cid:instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-= 8cb641eae7bb.png] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.png] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of Twitter20px_8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-8cb641eae7bb.png] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:22:21 -0500 From: Jon Wesley Huff Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask Also, if you use gmail then it gets rid off the quoted text for you. So, you never even see it unless you click on the three dots below. So, you know, people just forget. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:42:04 -0500 From: Paul Jensen Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask Jon hit the nail on the head for me, too. I sometimes think about writing up a blurb about an artist or album I am loving, but then feel unmotivated not knowing if anyone will read or care. I love the ecto group. I am always interested in what artists (new or old) everyone is listening to. But the year-end lists seem to be the most active time of year for us. I wonder if the group had a Facebook page if that might encourage more frequent sharing and interaction. The Happy Rhodes FB group could be an ideal extension of the list, but sadly Vickie Williams prohibits and will delete posts that are not specifically related to Happy. On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:20 AM Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > I think part of it, too, is that as it feels like there's less > participants, there's less of a reason to take the time to type up your > thoughts on new albums? I still get into.a lot of new artists, largely > thanks to Spotify. I buy vinyl albums of the artists I like best. But, I'll > admit, I don't have much of an outlet to share it with people these days. > There's been a few times I thought of sharing my thoughts, but then I > think... well, is anyone going to read this? Or respond? > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:49 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington > > wrote: > > > And FWIW, I think the issue is that the list's participants are aging, > and > > there is a fair amount of research that shows that after a certain age, > > most people hit a limit on how much new music they can absorb and just > keep > > listening to what they already loveb based upon the messages here in the > > past couple of years, I think that there's only a few of us still > listening > > to a large amount of new music on a regular basis, and that most folks > > maybe find a new album or two a most per year. I don't think there's > > anything wrong with that. > > > > ~Tim > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM Tim Jones-Yelvington < > timjy@sbcglobal.net > > > > > wrote: > > > > > There was a good flurry of activity around botht he Security Project > > shows > > > and the release of Ectotrophia, and I've yet to see a year where a > good > > > number of us didn't chime in with our annual best-ofs. I'm happy the > list > > > is still kicking in whatever form. > > > > > > ~Tim > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:54 AM Marcel Rijs wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I have been reading up on my ecto digests this morning and it struck > me > > >> tha= > > >> t over the past month there have been a handful of e-mails (a.o. about > > >> the = > > >> Kate Bush Remastered box set and Bobby McFerrin) and an almost daily > > >> remind= > > >> er of birthdays. > > >> > > >> Ecto used to be so lively in the old days, but it now looks like it > has > > >> bee= > > >> n abandoned by most. > > >> "You're a good one to talk", everyone screams now. > > >> Yes, I have not posted in a long time either. > > >> > > >> But perhaps this is the question that no-one dares to ask: > > >> Is ecto still relevant? When everyone is lurking and almost no-one is > > >> maili= > > >> ng, what is the purpose of this mailing list? > > >> > > >> We can't force anyone to send e-mails, of course, but a deadish > mailing > > >> lis= > > >> t is a bit boring too. > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> > > >> Marcel Rijs. > > >> [Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands] > > >> Prins Willem-Alexanderhof 5 | 2595 BE Den Haag > > >> Postbus 90407 | 2509 LK Den Haag | (070) 314 09 11 | www.kb.nl< > > >> https://www.= > > >> kb.nl/> > > >> [https://www.kb.nl/sites/default/files/dots.jpg] > > >> English version | Disclaimer< > > >> https://www.kb.nl/= > > >> disclaimer> > > >> < > > >> https://twitter= > > >> .com/KB_Nederland> > > >> [cid:Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.p= > > >> ng] > > >> [cid:Twitter20px_= > > >> 8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] < > > >> https://twitter.com/KB_Nederland= > > >> > [cid:In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] < > > >> https://ww= > > >> w.linkedin.com/company/164625> > > >> [cid:instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-= > > >> 8cb641eae7bb.png] > > >> > > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > > name > > >> of Facebook20px_9dd7d952-1ada-4a1d-8dbf-5aa30ec2f12b.png] > > >> > > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > > name > > >> of Twitter20px_8d537f87-058b-4083-8b42-bef30889a763.png] > > >> > > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > > name > > >> of In-2C-21px-R_5e254eac-04d0-4b80-acbd-4eeed04bef88.png] > > >> > > >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > > name > > >> of instagram20px_efaebc95-7a10-4502-8c38-8cb641eae7bb.png] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:34:48 -0400 From: Rodney Somerstein Subject: Kate Bush Remastered I haven't posted here often, but have been a member for years. I finally have something that I think people might find interesting as I think that only the equivalent from Happy could be more ecto. I just received an email from Amazon telling me I might be interested in the following: Kate Bush - Remastered Part 1 - 7 CDs https://www.amazon.com/Remastered-Part-7cd-Kate-Bush/dp/B07HPZ9F43 Releases November 16 Kate Bush - Remastered Part 2 - 6 CDs https://www.amazon.com/Remastered-Part-6cd-Kate-Bush/dp/B07HPZ9F44/ Releases November 30 They also have vinyl versions listed. Between these two sets, it appears that Kate is remastering pretty much every album and song ever released, except for the recent concert set, which will be the same. - -Rodney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:46:27 +0000 From: "Green, Patrick" Subject: Re: The question that no-one dares to ask It's kind of funny this is where the topic goes. At least it's lively! I'm traditionally more of a "lurker". But have always enjoyed having a source of musical discovery on hand, even if I don't always contribute. Personally, I've wondered how long the list would last but am grateful it's still around. It's like hanging onto Vinyl b eventually the world comes to realize it moved to fast for its own good. Now with Pandora, Spotify and the like I find myself simply dialing in and streaming vs. actively seeking that next new soul-touching song. These services make it easier to grab a groove, to fit music to a mood, with far fewer actions than it used to take digging through racks of albums and using well-worn in-store headphones to find that special sound. This adds to less need and time spent sampling the recommendations that come through this list, not to mention they take some extra work (they aren't just click and listen). Sadly my poor aging brain isn't always keen on going the extra steps. (I'm pushing to my 60's too!)(Seriously, 60!) I've often hoped someone on this list would create an Ecto Podcast (something like Radiothreesixty, which I really like), but have not found one. And with that time-thing, I haven't done one either. I've also sought P or S stations curated by a list member but haven't run across any. Are there some? Lastly, and sadly, some of my enthusiasm has waned as Happy herself has put aside the pursuit of her own music. It's like losing a lover and going back through the old photo album. Still love her and her music but also feel a certain pang, especially after hearing her express to me that "there's nothing else to write about" after a Security Project show. Oh, Happy, there's so much more to explore... I do hope and wish this list lives on, and appreciate it greatly, and have been many times delighted by the suggestions given here. Thank you all for taking the time to keep it alive and sharing your love of a very magical (and somewhat exclusive) genre of music. Patrick o;?On 10/23/18, 2:23 PM, "owner-ecto@smoe.org on behalf of Jon Wesley Huff" wrote: Also, if you use gmail then it gets rid off the quoted text for you. So, you never even see it unless you click on the three dots below. So, you know, people just forget. This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify us by calling our Network Operations Center at +1 888 697 2443. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V16 #2385 ****************************