From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V16 #1053 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, March 26 2014 Volume 16 : Number 1053 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: okay, fellow foreigners [neal copperman ] okay, fellow foreigners [Karen Hester ] Re: okay, fellow foreigners [neal copperman ] Re: okay, fellow foreigners [neal copperman ] Re: okay, fellow foreigners [Birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:20:35 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: okay, fellow foreigners It is weird that given all the concerns about fraud, they dont adopt the more secure systems that are widespread around the world. And instead are introducing handy but very insecure RFID options. neal On Mar 26, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > I haven't tried to buy Kate tix, but I have a Capital One card and they are > overly cautious, in my opinion. They used to reject every purchase I ever > made in an Apple store until they could reach me by phone to confirm that > it was really me. I finally told them that I use Apple products in my work > and to please quit flagging those purchases. The chip & pin system NEEDS to > come to the U.S., because it's made it extremely inconvenient for American > travelers to Europe. You can't use your magnetic strip credit card in many > places, including any vending machine that sells train or bus tickets. > > --Sue > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:32 AM, F.J.Fornorn wrote: > >> Those fraud calls/rejections are getting pretty common for CC orders >> placed (a) far from your home and (b) for a lot of money. >> >> On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:50 PM, neal copperman wrote: >> >>> So what kinds of cards and pre-purchase setups did people use that >> worked? >>> >>> I was using a Master Card, not a Visa. So it s not Verify for Visa, but >> obviously something similar. >>> >>> The CC fraud people called and woke me up 3 hours after I couldn t by my >> tickets, so I m going to talk to them now. >>> >>> But it d be great to be sure everything is in order before trying again. >>> >>> neal >>> >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Karen Hester >> wrote: >>> >>>> you have to sign up to 'verify for visa' to buy Kate tickets. I got >> front >>>> section ones and then my card was denied. >>>> grrrrrrrrjkdsfjkfdlkdasjjdkasfjkgrrrrrr >>>> The pre-sale seemed to have lots of seats, I didn't see anyone who was >>>> refreshing on the dot fail to find seats. >>>> >>>> I've never had verification problems before - you know how it hangs >> there, >>>> saying 'verifying' and then gloriously says 'yes' after a few seconds - >> but >>>> this is an additional level involving an extra password. >>>> >>>> K (sleepy, disappointed K) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:06:03 -0400 From: Karen Hester Subject: okay, fellow foreigners you have to sign up to 'verify for visa' to buy Kate tickets. I got front section ones and then my card was denied. grrrrrrrrjkdsfjkfdlkdasjjdkasfjkgrrrrrr The pre-sale seemed to have lots of seats, I didn't see anyone who was refreshing on the dot fail to find seats. I've never had verification problems before - you know how it hangs there, saying 'verifying' and then gloriously says 'yes' after a few seconds - but this is an additional level involving an extra password. K (sleepy, disappointed K) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:50:14 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: okay, fellow foreigners > It may have been your American > credit/debit card thought it was someone trying to use your card, which is why > the fraud people contacted you. Thats definitely what it is. Its non-standard behavior that triggers all their alarms. I called both my MC and Visa cards. They said those restrictions are added by the merchants, not by the card. Its something they can add on. Its not something that we can sign up for, give advance notice on or plan for. Advance notice is just for when you are traveling, not making on-line purchases. I had sent a note to the ticketing company and they actually gave me a new code (!!!). I was afraid to use it, so I called them, but they said I couldnt use it over the phone and that it was only good until 6 in the UK (about 40 minutes away). So I just hopped on to do it and the exact same thing happened. I had talked with my MC people and they said my card should be safe for purchases with the vendor now, but I still couldnt get through. I then used my VISA card, which I had also just called. It kicked out the charge and locked up my card too. I got a fraud phone call before I was done with the order. Of course, I still couldnt get the order done either. First time I had tix in row J in the stalls (so 10th row). This time I had tix in row E in the back area, so around 35th row. The woman on the phone said that all the fan club tickets have now been sold. Im not convinced I can actually buy tickets on-line through the system at all. neal On Mar 26, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Ellen Rawson wrote: > It's MasterCard Secure Code in the UK. Verified by Visa, indeed, is for Visa, > whether it's a Visa credit or debit card. > > It may have been your American > credit/debit card thought it was someone trying to use your card, which is why > the fraud people contacted you. They're not used to you using British websites > to buy a couple of hundred pounds worth of concert tickets. :( > > Ellen > > > > "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." > -- JRR Tolkien >> ________________________________ >> From: neal copperman >> To: > Karen Hester >> Cc: neal copperman ; > ecto >> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: > okay, fellow foreigners >> >> >> So what kinds of cards and pre-purchase setups > did people use that worked? >> >> I was using a Master Card, not a Visa. So its > not Verify for Visa, but obviously something similar. >> >> The CC fraud people > called and woke me up 3 hours after I couldnt by my tickets, so Im going to > talk to them now. >> >> But itd be great to be sure everything is in order > before trying again. >> >> neal >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Karen Hester > wrote: >> >>> you have to sign up to 'verify for visa' > to buy Kate tickets. I got front >>> section ones and then my card was denied. >>> grrrrrrrrjkdsfjkfdlkdasjjdkasfjkgrrrrrr >>> The pre-sale seemed to have lots > of seats, I didn't see anyone who was >>> refreshing on the dot fail to find > seats. >>> >>> I've never had verification problems before - you know how it > hangs there, >>> saying 'verifying' and then gloriously says 'yes' after a few > seconds - but >>> this is an additional level involving an extra password. >>> >>> K (sleepy, disappointed K) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 10:50:53 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: okay, fellow foreigners So what kinds of cards and pre-purchase setups did people use that worked? I was using a Master Card, not a Visa. So its not Verify for Visa, but obviously something similar. The CC fraud people called and woke me up 3 hours after I couldnt by my tickets, so Im going to talk to them now. But itd be great to be sure everything is in order before trying again. neal On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Karen Hester wrote: > you have to sign up to 'verify for visa' to buy Kate tickets. I got front > section ones and then my card was denied. > grrrrrrrrjkdsfjkfdlkdasjjdkasfjkgrrrrrr > The pre-sale seemed to have lots of seats, I didn't see anyone who was > refreshing on the dot fail to find seats. > > I've never had verification problems before - you know how it hangs there, > saying 'verifying' and then gloriously says 'yes' after a few seconds - but > this is an additional level involving an extra password. > > K (sleepy, disappointed K) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:04:12 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: okay, fellow foreigners my credit union called this morning. They put a hold on my one ticket but approved it now and there isnt anything i can do about the others that were declined. i am going to call them at a different number and see what we can do in advance of Friday. birdie Sent from my iPad > On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:46 PM, "F.J.Fornorn" wrote: > > No, its not weird, its CHEAP. No one wants to foot the bill for the conversion of all the cards and points of sale from the current 8-track tape quality magnetic strip to them new-fangled digit-all chippy things. Murica! > >> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:20 PM, neal copperman wrote: >> >> It is weird that given all the concerns about fraud, they dont adopt the more secure systems that are widespread around the world. And instead are introducing handy but very insecure RFID options. >> >> neal >> >>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Sue Trowbridge wrote: >>> >>> I haven't tried to buy Kate tix, but I have a Capital One card and they are >>> overly cautious, in my opinion. They used to reject every purchase I ever >>> made in an Apple store until they could reach me by phone to confirm that >>> it was really me. I finally told them that I use Apple products in my work >>> and to please quit flagging those purchases. The chip & pin system NEEDS to >>> come to the U.S., because it's made it extremely inconvenient for American >>> travelers to Europe. You can't use your magnetic strip credit card in many >>> places, including any vending machine that sells train or bus tickets. >>> >>> --Sue >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:32 AM, F.J.Fornorn wrote: >>> >>>> Those fraud calls/rejections are getting pretty common for CC orders >>>> placed (a) far from your home and (b) for a lot of money. >>>> >>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:50 PM, neal copperman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So what kinds of cards and pre-purchase setups did people use that >>>> worked? >>>>> >>>>> I was using a Master Card, not a Visa. So it s not Verify for Visa, but >>>> obviously something similar. >>>>> >>>>> The CC fraud people called and woke me up 3 hours after I couldn t by my >>>> tickets, so I m going to talk to them now. >>>>> >>>>> But it d be great to be sure everything is in order before trying again. >>>>> >>>>> neal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Karen Hester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> you have to sign up to 'verify for visa' to buy Kate tickets. I got >>>> front >>>>>> section ones and then my card was denied. >>>>>> grrrrrrrrjkdsfjkfdlkdasjjdkasfjkgrrrrrr >>>>>> The pre-sale seemed to have lots of seats, I didn't see anyone who was >>>>>> refreshing on the dot fail to find seats. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never had verification problems before - you know how it hangs >>>> there, >>>>>> saying 'verifying' and then gloriously says 'yes' after a few seconds - >>>> but >>>>>> this is an additional level involving an extra password. >>>>>> >>>>>> K (sleepy, disappointed K) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V16 #1053 ****************************