From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V16 #101 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, May 13 2011 Volume 16 : Number 101 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] towhomitmayconcern [Peter Clark ] Re: NPR: Kate Bush Directors Cut - Full version [neile ] Re: towhomitmayconcern [neile ] Re: towhomitmayconcern [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: towhomitmayconcern [neile ] RE: towhomitmayconcern ["Michael Quinn" ] Re: towhomitmayconcern [Peter Clark ] Re: towhomitmayconcern [Gregory Bossert ] Re: NPR: Kate Bush Directors Cut - Full version [Paul Blair ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Patrick Varker (pvarker@scmmetals.com) ****************** ************* Philip David Morgan (pmorgan@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Julia Macklin Mon May 20 1968 ethereus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Taina Sahlander Mon May 28 1973 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Onna Addis June 01 Gemini Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alexander Johannesen June 03 Gemini Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 00:52:04 -0700 From: Peter Clark Subject: towhomitmayconcern There was a comment in the past few days about the comparative agedness of the list members. Since I'm one of the Old Ones I'm curious as to whether there's any received wisdom about why this is so. Observations? Also, there was comment about the apparent fact that the list's contents are not being refreshed by either new work or fresh talent. I've noticed this myself, though hope springs eternal and I'm ever vigilant for contemporary work. Are there any thoughts about the comparative drought of the last decade or so? Is this part of the observed decline of the music biz even though anyone with a Mac can record a CD in their living room? Are we seeing an example of what happened to '60s R&B, it just plain ran out of juice in a single decade? Just sayin'. Peter Clark - -=High Performance Analogue=- redpoint-audio-design.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: neile Subject: Re: NPR: Kate Bush Directors Cut - Full version Alas, I'm one of the naysayers. Nearly every song had a moment that made me wince. And much to my surprise, I like her lyrics better than Joyce's (though I loved reading that section of Ulysses. Huh.) I'll give it more time, but I think I'll be going back to the original recordings. - --Neile On Thu, 12 May 2011, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > Thanks for the link! > > I have to say, I'm loving this overall so far, of course I'm one of the > people (in the minority, it seems) who really appreciated the new version of > Deeper Understanding. It was great to listen to Flower on the Mountain and > hear her original intention come to fruition. So far there's been something > interesting on every track, but I have to say the new version of "This > Woman's Work" just blew me away when it came on. Only about half way through > at this point... > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Birdie wrote: > > > > > http://www.npr.org/2011/05/12/136220377/first-listen-kate-bush-directors-cut?sc=tw&cc=share ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: neile Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern Hi, Peter-- I'm not sure whether you're asking about list members or music. Most (not all, obviously) "younger" people don't look to list-serves for information about music as we did. There's so much out there on the web in blogs and sites like Pitchfork and Stereogum and groupings within social media like Twitter and Facebook. I've found most of my new music from places like Mojo, the UK music magazine and Wears the Trousers, a female-focused music site. I also still get some great suggestions from this list, though I feel like my tastes are rather outliers here. For my tastes, there's no musical drought at all. As far as great new music, I think there's tons of it--maybe more than ever because ofhte possibilties in new media. Right now I'm enjoying the new Unthanks' release, _Last_, Emma McKenna's _Run With It_, Lamb's _5_, tUnE-yArDs' _W H O K I L L _, and exciting news about a new Inga Liljestrom CD just landed in my email inbox. There are a lot of people within the ecto area doing amazing new work, as well as some great retro-flavoured folk rock at a new height. The musical world feels rich to me. - --Neile On Thu, 12 May 2011, Peter Clark wrote: > There was a comment in the past few days about the comparative agedness > of the list members. Since I'm one of the Old Ones I'm curious as to > whether there's any received wisdom about why this is so. > Observations? Also, there was comment about the apparent fact that the > list's contents are not being refreshed by either new work or fresh > talent. I've noticed this myself, though hope springs eternal and I'm > ever vigilant for contemporary work. Are there any thoughts about the > comparative drought of the last decade or so? Is this part of the > observed decline of the music biz even though anyone with a Mac can > record a CD in their living room? Are we seeing an example of what > happened to '60s R&B, it just plain ran out of juice in a single decade? > Just sayin'. > > > > Peter Clark > > -=High Performance Analogue=- > redpoint-audio-design.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:47:58 -0700 From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, neile wrote: > > There are a lot of people within the ecto area doing amazing new work, as > well as some great retro-flavoured folk rock at a new height. The musical > world feels rich to me. Apropos of that, there was an interesting dialogue in The Onion's AV Club a couple days ago: http://www.avclub.com/articles/why-do-popculture-fans-stop-caring-about-new-music,55805/ "Why do pop-culture fans stop caring about new music as they get older?" Like you, Neile, I'm always discovering new things, even at my advanced age ;) But my spouse would rather listen to 70s prog rock (with a few exceptions -- I did manage to turn him on to the Decemberists, perhaps because some of their stuff, particularly on "Hazards of Love," sounds rather indebted to 70s prog rock!). My latest recommendation is Phantogram, who have been described as "electronica" & "chillwave," but don't hold that against them! Very melodic with great female vocals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvSgLHWR16o - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: neile Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern I have to say that it does help that my spouse's musical taste mostly overlaps with mine (but I can't understand his strong interest in Low, though at least I don't hate them). He's the one who introduced me to Kate Bush. He used to be on ecto, but hasn't much interest in participating on email lists. He does religiously check out Pitchfork and Stereogum (so I am freed from that work) and has discovered some great music for us that way, like the Decemberists back in the day and Lonelady more recently. Will check out Phantogram where I get somewhere I can access the web and sound. - --Neile On Thu, 12 May 2011, Sue Trowbridge wrote: [trim] > Like you, Neile, I'm always discovering new things, even at my > advanced age ;) But my spouse would rather listen to 70s prog rock > (with a few exceptions -- I did manage to turn him on to the > Decemberists, perhaps because some of their stuff, particularly on > "Hazards of Love," sounds rather indebted to 70s prog rock!). > > My latest recommendation is Phantogram, who have been described as > "electronica" & "chillwave," but don't hold that against them! Very > melodic with great female vocals. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvSgLHWR16o > > --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:45:54 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: towhomitmayconcern I find I spend much less time actively seeking out and listening to new artists lately. Simply giving proper listens to the new material from artists I'm already a fan of takes a lot of time and I also spend a fair amount of time discovering "new to me" albums from the 70s 80s and 90s. Then there's the time required to give old favorites their cursory revisits. It all doesn't leave much time for taking flyers on new artists. Even though I'm sure there are many good ones out there who deserve my attention. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sue Trowbridge Sent: May-12-11 1:48 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, neile wrote: > > There are a lot of people within the ecto area doing amazing new work, as > well as some great retro-flavoured folk rock at a new height. The musical > world feels rich to me. Apropos of that, there was an interesting dialogue in The Onion's AV Club a couple days ago: http://www.avclub.com/articles/why-do-popculture-fans-stop-caring-about-new- music,55805/ "Why do pop-culture fans stop caring about new music as they get older?" Like you, Neile, I'm always discovering new things, even at my advanced age ;) But my spouse would rather listen to 70s prog rock (with a few exceptions -- I did manage to turn him on to the Decemberists, perhaps because some of their stuff, particularly on "Hazards of Love," sounds rather indebted to 70s prog rock!). My latest recommendation is Phantogram, who have been described as "electronica" & "chillwave," but don't hold that against them! Very melodic with great female vocals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvSgLHWR16o - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:16:07 -0700 From: Peter Clark Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern There were two questions, one about the list and the other about artists. Thanks for answering both. I guess I'm old enough that the apparent glories of the internet are just that: apparent. My six months old iPhone is more of a prop than a phone. I have Pandora and Shazam loaded as apps, period. I'm not interested in using it for anything else than a phone. I'll be happy enough with people thinking I'm hip. Similarly, the net. I was grateful enough to have discovered this list a dozen years ago and still depend on it for new artists, etc., probably more than I should judging from the alternative sources noted by other responders. Looks like I need to up my game. One drawback is that being heavily committed to vinyl as a medium, much/most of the Ecto list is unavailable. I'm rather in Michael's position, dancing as hard as i can just to stay in place and grabbing vinyl versions when I come across them. Alas, the audio business has no collective interest in music remotely Ecto. Seemingly if it's not Golden Age of jazz or 50's classical recording, you can't be serious about software, which of course is patent nonsense, but it's an uphill fight. Thanks for helping me locate my place in the universe. Peter Clark - -=High Performance Analogue=- redpoint-audio-design.com On May 12, 2011, at 10:37 AM, neile wrote: > Hi, Peter-- > > I'm not sure whether you're asking about list members or music. > > Most (not all, obviously) "younger" people don't look to list-serves for > information about music as we did. There's so much out there on the web in > blogs and sites like Pitchfork and Stereogum and groupings within social > media like Twitter and Facebook. > > I've found most of my new music from places like Mojo, the UK music > magazine and Wears the Trousers, a female-focused music site. > > I also still get some great suggestions from this list, though I feel like > my tastes are rather outliers here. > > For my tastes, there's no musical drought at all. As far as great new > music, I think there's tons of it--maybe more than ever because ofhte > possibilties in new media. > > Right now I'm enjoying the new Unthanks' release, _Last_, Emma McKenna's > _Run With It_, Lamb's _5_, tUnE-yArDs' _W H O K I L L _, and exciting news > about a new Inga Liljestrom CD just landed in my email inbox. > > There are a lot of people within the ecto area doing amazing new work, as > well as some great retro-flavoured folk rock at a new height. The musical > world feels rich to me. > > --Neile > > On Thu, 12 May 2011, Peter Clark wrote: > >> There was a comment in the past few days about the comparative agedness >> of the list members. Since I'm one of the Old Ones I'm curious as to >> whether there's any received wisdom about why this is so. >> Observations? Also, there was comment about the apparent fact that the >> list's contents are not being refreshed by either new work or fresh >> talent. I've noticed this myself, though hope springs eternal and I'm >> ever vigilant for contemporary work. Are there any thoughts about the >> comparative drought of the last decade or so? Is this part of the >> observed decline of the music biz even though anyone with a Mac can >> record a CD in their living room? Are we seeing an example of what >> happened to '60s R&B, it just plain ran out of juice in a single decade? >> Just sayin'. >> >> >> >> Peter Clark >> >> -=High Performance Analogue=- >> redpoint-audio-design.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:51:43 -0700 From: Gregory Bossert Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern as ecto was settled, as it were, by folks who were interested in unusual, independent music -- the wacky fringe of the already quite open-minded lovehounds/gaffans -- i suspect that we are still quite adventuresome and exploratory as old-timers go. and it may in fact be that insatiable ectoid desire for finding wondrous new music that makes the pace these days seem slow. if you look, for example, at the range of music called Baroque, from Monteverdi to Handel (let alone "classical" or "jazz") then everything ever discussed on ecto is all still pretty new... as for me, i am no longer collecting albums and tracking down artists as much as i once did, but i am listening to an enormous range of entirely new-to-me stuff via iTunes "radio stations" and services like Pandora. i feel as stylistically limber as ever, for all my creaking bones... - -g - -- www.gregorynormanbossert.com -- - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:41:31 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: NPR: Kate Bush Directors Cut - Full version A few random reactions: On "Flower of the Mountain" I really miss her trill when she sings "yes." It's hard to let go of that as something essential to the song. "Deeper Understanding" -- after listening to the song numerous times I still find that the computer voice detracts from the song, and doesn't achieve what she said she was after with it. On "Red Shoes" her voice sounds a lot thinner than on the original. (I just watched the old video on YouTube and was struck by how much Miranda Richardson looks like Katy Perry....) I'm with Jon about "This Woman's Work." I don't necessarily like it better than the original, but I think it's a strong alternative. "Moments of Pleasure" plays like a lost track from *Aerial.* I miss Kate's wail in "Never Be Mine." I think the original version communicates the anguish a lot better. Finally, "Rubberband Girl" made me think of a strangely-muted Aretha Franklin backed by the Rolling Stones. Ha! On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:23 PM, neile wrote: > Alas, I'm one of the naysayers. Nearly every song had a moment that made > me wince. > > And much to my surprise, I like her lyrics better than Joyce's (though I > loved reading that section of Ulysses. Huh.) > > I'll give it more time, but I think I'll be going back to the original > recordings. > > --Neile > > On Thu, 12 May 2011, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > > > Thanks for the link! > > > > I have to say, I'm loving this overall so far, of course I'm one of the > > people (in the minority, it seems) who really appreciated the new version > of > > Deeper Understanding. It was great to listen to Flower on the Mountain > and > > hear her original intention come to fruition. So far there's been > something > > interesting on every track, but I have to say the new version of "This > > Woman's Work" just blew me away when it came on. Only about half way > through > > at this point... > > > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Birdie wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.npr.org/2011/05/12/136220377/first-listen-kate-bush-directors-cut?sc=tw&cc=share ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 22:32:09 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: towhomitmayconcern If it's any consolation, I don't have an iPhone and am unlikely to get one because I'm too cheap to pay the monthly fees. My cell phone costs me $100/year and it's rarely turned on and that's about all it's worth to me. I have an iPod so I'm not missing out on *that* much. Well, the immediate internet access, but I can be patient. I do look for music samples--I find it fun, and run them when I'm doing other things. Like right now I'm running the video link that Sue sent from Phantogram. I'm not watching it, though. (Video mostly bores me.) Does sound interesting, Sue. Vinyl is making a comeback everywhere. Carina Round is working on fundraising to reissue her first album on vinyl, and a lot of artists I love like Smoke Fairies do singles. Unfortunately, the belt on our turntable fell apart and the local retro stereo repair store is now empty so we haven't even looked into getting it fixed. I also think a lot of us don't post as much as we used to--I certainly don't, though I like to try to remember to tell you all what I'm listening to. - --Neile On May 12, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Peter Clark wrote: > There were two questions, one about the list and the other about artists. Thanks for answering both. I guess I'm old enough that the apparent glories of the internet are just that: apparent. My six months old iPhone is more of a prop than a phone. I have Pandora and Shazam loaded as apps, period. I'm not interested in using it for anything else than a phone. I'll be happy enough with people thinking I'm hip. > > Similarly, the net. I was grateful enough to have discovered this list a dozen years ago and still depend on it for new artists, etc., probably more than I should judging from the alternative sources noted by other responders. Looks like I need to up my game. One drawback is that being heavily committed to vinyl as a medium, much/most of the Ecto list is unavailable. I'm rather in Michael's position, dancing as hard as i can just to stay in place and grabbing vinyl versions when I come across them. Alas, the audio business has no collective interest in music remotely Ecto. Seemingly if it's not Golden Age of jazz or 50's classical recording, you can't be serious about software, which of course is patent nonsense, but it's an uphill fight. > > Thanks for helping me locate my place in the universe. > > > > Peter Clark > > -=High Performance Analogue=- > redpoint-audio-design.com > > > On May 12, 2011, at 10:37 AM, neile wrote: > >> Hi, Peter-- >> >> I'm not sure whether you're asking about list members or music. >> >> Most (not all, obviously) "younger" people don't look to list-serves for >> information about music as we did. There's so much out there on the web in >> blogs and sites like Pitchfork and Stereogum and groupings within social >> media like Twitter and Facebook. >> >> I've found most of my new music from places like Mojo, the UK music >> magazine and Wears the Trousers, a female-focused music site. >> >> I also still get some great suggestions from this list, though I feel like >> my tastes are rather outliers here. >> >> For my tastes, there's no musical drought at all. As far as great new >> music, I think there's tons of it--maybe more than ever because ofhte >> possibilties in new media. >> >> Right now I'm enjoying the new Unthanks' release, _Last_, Emma McKenna's >> _Run With It_, Lamb's _5_, tUnE-yArDs' _W H O K I L L _, and exciting news >> about a new Inga Liljestrom CD just landed in my email inbox. >> >> There are a lot of people within the ecto area doing amazing new work, as >> well as some great retro-flavoured folk rock at a new height. The musical >> world feels rich to me. >> >> --Neile >> >> On Thu, 12 May 2011, Peter Clark wrote: >> >>> There was a comment in the past few days about the comparative agedness >>> of the list members. Since I'm one of the Old Ones I'm curious as to >>> whether there's any received wisdom about why this is so. >>> Observations? Also, there was comment about the apparent fact that the >>> list's contents are not being refreshed by either new work or fresh >>> talent. I've noticed this myself, though hope springs eternal and I'm >>> ever vigilant for contemporary work. Are there any thoughts about the >>> comparative drought of the last decade or so? Is this part of the >>> observed decline of the music biz even though anyone with a Mac can >>> record a CD in their living room? Are we seeing an example of what >>> happened to '60s R&B, it just plain ran out of juice in a single decade? >>> Just sayin'. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Clark >>> >>> -=High Performance Analogue=- >>> redpoint-audio-design.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V16 #101 ***************************