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Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bands you broke up with [Adam Kimmel ] Re: Bands you broke up with [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Bands you broke up with [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] RE: Bands you broke up with [Jason Gordon ] Re: Bands you broke up with [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Bands you broke up with [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Bands you broke up with [Paul Blair ] Re: Bands you broke up with [Birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:55:57 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: Bands you broke up with Hmmm...interesting topic, and one that needs answering with all my CDs and vinyl from my past lives around me. But I don't have them, so I'll have to wing it and hope, as always, I don't go on too much. Fat chance. I find it pretty much impossible to walk away from a band or artist forever. I've often said I'll give up artists: Tori Amos and the Indigo Girls spring to mind under my "Three strikes and you're out" rule, but I always tend to keep an ear out and wander back when it sounds like good things are happening.It may take a while (with Tori it was literally 15 years) but if it can happen. I may have grown apart from plenty of bands but I still remember the good times and still go back to listen to them. This would include 99% of my prog-rock days. Most of the bands are gone, anyway, but some struggled on (EL & P) and some still do (Yes) but while this music had a huge impact on my life in my teens and even early 20s, that was then, and while I still enjoy the old music, eagerly snapping up the remasters (just picked up PFM's remastered live album, "Cook"), I do feel they've done their bit, not just for me, but also for music on the whole. Ditto for grunge, if not moreso: Nirvana, Screaming Trees and Smashing Pumpkins were all a breath of air after -- what was for me -- a rather arid 80s, but I don't even really listen to the albums in their entirety any more. Definitely grown apart from: Elton John and ELO. I still enjoy the old albums, even though Elton's a bit of an embarassment and ELO rapidly went AM radio. Remember the good times: Pretty much all of the above. Will follow whatever: Peter Hammill, for sure, and I'll throw in his band, Van der Graaf Generator now that they're back together. The man's infuriatingly inconsistent, but there's always commitment, intelligence and honesty at the core that has kept me coming back for 30 years. Will Veda Hille, Thea Gilmore, Jonatha Brooke and Carina Round do the same for me in years to come? Who knows? I'd like to think so. There's always bands I thought I'd love forever, and then they've released a couple of albums that just didn't do it for me. Sometimes (Elton John's "Rock of the Westies", REM's "Monster") they're albums that made me realise, in a stroke, that it's over. I'll lose interest in artists whose albums I've once loved, for sure (Eels, Melissa Ferrick, Laura Love, Tom Waits) but always hope that they'll pull some of the old magic out of the hat. Parenthetically, I'm not sure REM have quite achieved it. I like their newest more than I thought I would, and while saying it's their best for a while is damning it with faint praise, it's enjoyable as a "Greatest Bits" release, with recogniseable scraps of greater glories recycled like a bizarre but fairly fun mix tape. I like it, but it's still the sound of one band shark-jumping. (Yet still I think, "Maybe next time....") Heroes are a dangerous thing. One minute they're the driving force in your life, the next they're either desperately treading water, playing to a different audience altogether or even playing theme parks and holiday camps. Does any of this make any sense, or have I just reached the end of the week with fewer brain cells than I started out with? Good thing I didn't have all my CDs and vinyl with me, then. Adam K ____________________________________________________________ Share photos & screenshots in seconds... TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:28:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Bands you broke up with There's a sense in which this is all much like talking about ex-lovers. Even when things are well and truly over, I can easily tell why I was in love, and a chance meeting brings a warm rush of nostalgia. And there are bands that even if I don't pop the disk into the CD player, even if I'm not going to bother buying the next album, I'm still going to thrill to hearing a song on the radio, or coming out of the back room of a store I just walked into. And then there are those ex-lovers for whom all I can say is - "Who was I then, that I loved this person?" And the musicians that correlate to that are, off the top of my head: Rush, Return to Forever (and much of the Watch-How-Fast-I-Can-Play-Scales jazz fusion stuff), George Winston, and Boston. Bernie On Fri, 6 May 2011, Adam Kimmel wrote: > Hmmm...interesting topic, and one that needs answering with all my CDs and vinyl from my past lives around me. > > But I don't have them, so I'll have to wing it and hope, as always, I don't go on too much. > > Fat chance. > > I find it pretty much impossible to walk away from a band or artist forever. I've often said I'll give up artists: Tori Amos and the Indigo Girls spring to mind under my "Three strikes and you're out" rule, but I always tend to keep an ear out and wander back when it sounds like good things are happening.It may take a while (with Tori it was literally 15 years) but if it can happen. > > I may have grown apart from plenty of bands but I still remember the good times and still go back to listen to them. This would include 99% of my prog-rock days. Most of the bands are gone, anyway, but some struggled on (EL & P) and some still do (Yes) but while this music had a huge impact on my life in my teens and even early 20s, that was then, and while I still enjoy the old music, eagerly snapping up the remasters (just picked up PFM's remastered live album, "Cook"), I do feel they've done their bit, not just for me, but also for music on the whole. Ditto for grunge, if not moreso: Nirvana, Screaming Trees and Smashing Pumpkins were all a breath of air after -- what was for me -- a rather arid 80s, but I don't even really listen to the albums in their entirety any more. > > Definitely grown apart from: Elton John and ELO. I still enjoy the old albums, even though Elton's a bit of an embarassment and ELO rapidly went AM radio. > > Remember the good times: Pretty much all of the above. > > Will follow whatever: Peter Hammill, for sure, and I'll throw in his band, Van der Graaf Generator now that they're back together. The man's infuriatingly inconsistent, but there's always commitment, intelligence and honesty at the core that has kept me coming back for 30 years. > > Will Veda Hille, Thea Gilmore, Jonatha Brooke and Carina Round do the same for me in years to come? Who knows? I'd like to think so. > > There's always bands I thought I'd love forever, and then they've released a couple of albums that just didn't do it for me. Sometimes (Elton John's "Rock of the Westies", REM's "Monster") they're albums that made me realise, in a stroke, that it's over. I'll lose interest in artists whose albums I've once loved, for sure (Eels, Melissa Ferrick, Laura Love, Tom Waits) but always hope that they'll pull some of the old magic out of the hat. > > Parenthetically, I'm not sure REM have quite achieved it. I like their newest more than I thought I would, and while saying it's their best for a while is damning it with faint praise, it's enjoyable as a "Greatest Bits" release, with recogniseable scraps of greater glories recycled like a bizarre but fairly fun mix tape. I like it, but it's still the sound of one band shark-jumping. (Yet still I think, "Maybe next time....") > > Heroes are a dangerous thing. One minute they're the driving force in your life, the next they're either desperately treading water, playing to a different audience altogether or even playing theme parks and holiday camps. > > Does any of this make any sense, or have I just reached the end of the week with fewer brain cells than I started out with? > > Good thing I didn't have all my CDs and vinyl with me, then. > > Adam K > > ____________________________________________________________ > Share photos & screenshots in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://www.kappamaki.com/ http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:27:41 -0500 From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Bands you broke up with Dar Williams is mine. Hasn't stood the test of time for me at all. ~Tim On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > There's a sense in which this is all much like talking about ex-lovers. > Even when things are well and truly over, I can easily tell why I was in > love, and a chance meeting brings a warm rush of nostalgia. > > And there are bands that even if I don't pop the disk into the CD player, > even if I'm not going to bother buying the next album, I'm still going to > thrill to hearing a song on the radio, or coming out of the back room of a > store I just walked into. > > And then there are those ex-lovers for whom all I can say is - "Who was I > then, that I loved this person?" > > And the musicians that correlate to that are, off the top of my head: Rush, > Return to Forever (and much of the Watch-How-Fast-I-Can-Play-Scales jazz > fusion stuff), George Winston, and Boston. > > Bernie > > > On Fri, 6 May 2011, Adam Kimmel wrote: > > Hmmm...interesting topic, and one that needs answering with all my CDs and >> vinyl from my past lives around me. >> >> But I don't have them, so I'll have to wing it and hope, as always, I >> don't go on too much. >> >> Fat chance. >> >> I find it pretty much impossible to walk away from a band or artist >> forever. I've often said I'll give up artists: Tori Amos and the Indigo >> Girls spring to mind under my "Three strikes and you're out" rule, but I >> always tend to keep an ear out and wander back when it sounds like good >> things are happening.It may take a while (with Tori it was literally 15 >> years) but if it can happen. >> >> I may have grown apart from plenty of bands but I still remember the good >> times and still go back to listen to them. This would include 99% of my >> prog-rock days. Most of the bands are gone, anyway, but some struggled on >> (EL & P) and some still do (Yes) but while this music had a huge impact on >> my life in my teens and even early 20s, that was then, and while I still >> enjoy the old music, eagerly snapping up the remasters (just picked up PFM's >> remastered live album, "Cook"), I do feel they've done their bit, not just >> for me, but also for music on the whole. Ditto for grunge, if not moreso: >> Nirvana, Screaming Trees and Smashing Pumpkins were all a breath of air >> after -- what was for me -- a rather arid 80s, but I don't even really >> listen to the albums in their entirety any more. >> >> Definitely grown apart from: Elton John and ELO. I still enjoy the old >> albums, even though Elton's a bit of an embarassment and ELO rapidly went AM >> radio. >> >> Remember the good times: Pretty much all of the above. >> >> Will follow whatever: Peter Hammill, for sure, and I'll throw in his >> band, Van der Graaf Generator now that they're back together. The man's >> infuriatingly inconsistent, but there's always commitment, intelligence and >> honesty at the core that has kept me coming back for 30 years. >> >> Will Veda Hille, Thea Gilmore, Jonatha Brooke and Carina Round do the same >> for me in years to come? Who knows? I'd like to think so. >> >> There's always bands I thought I'd love forever, and then they've released >> a couple of albums that just didn't do it for me. Sometimes (Elton John's >> "Rock of the Westies", REM's "Monster") they're albums that made me realise, >> in a stroke, that it's over. I'll lose interest in artists whose albums I've >> once loved, for sure (Eels, Melissa Ferrick, Laura Love, Tom Waits) but >> always hope that they'll pull some of the old magic out of the hat. >> >> Parenthetically, I'm not sure REM have quite achieved it. I like their >> newest more than I thought I would, and while saying it's their best for a >> while is damning it with faint praise, it's enjoyable as a "Greatest Bits" >> release, with recogniseable scraps of greater glories recycled like a >> bizarre but fairly fun mix tape. I like it, but it's still the sound of one >> band shark-jumping. (Yet still I think, "Maybe next time....") >> >> Heroes are a dangerous thing. One minute they're the driving force in your >> life, the next they're either desperately treading water, playing to a >> different audience altogether or even playing theme parks and holiday camps. >> >> Does any of this make any sense, or have I just reached the end of the >> week with fewer brain cells than I started out with? >> >> Good thing I didn't have all my CDs and vinyl with me, then. >> >> Adam K >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Share photos & screenshots in seconds... >> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 >> Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social >> networks. >> >> > -- > > brni > > i don't want the world, > i just want your half. > > http://www.kappamaki.com/ > http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 15:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Gordon Subject: more ecto defining albums some I dont think I've seen mentioned Velvey Belly b Lucia Love Spirals Downwards - Ardor Love Spirals Downwards - Idyllis Julianna Barwick - The Magic Place (a new release, but definitely ecto) Heather Nova - Live From the Milky Way My Brightest Diamond - Bring Me the Workhorse Camille - Le Fil Lori Carson - Everything I Touch Runs Wild Elysian Fields - Dreams That Breathe Your Name Jesca Hoop - Kismet Dana & Karen Kletter - Dear Enemy Rebecca Moore - Admiral Charcoal's Song Stina Nordenstam - And She Closed Her Eyes Rose Chronicles - Shiver Kristy Thirsk - Souvenir Beth Orton - Trailer Park Rachel Smith - The Clearing Astrid Williamson - Boy for You Willow - Sweet Dark Demon Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth seconding, thirding, whatever: Heather Nova b Oyster, Blow Bjork - Post Mary Margaret O'Hara - Miss America Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling Towards Ecstasy Veda Hille - Spine Wendy Rule - Zero Bel Canto - Birds of Passage Susan Court - High Relief Juliet Turner - Season of the Hurricane Katell Keineg b Jet Over the Rhine - Films for Radio Patty Griffin - Living With Ghosts Poe b Haunted Portishead b Dummy Milla - The Divine Comedy Throwing Muses - Throwing Muses (debut, not the later eponymous one) Belly - Star Susan McKeown - Bones - -jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 15:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Gordon Subject: RE: Bands you broke up with I've broken up hardest with Sarah McLachlan...dont even want to hear anything new by her now...and dont get me started on those damn animal abuse commercials... Also on the list Dar Williams and Ani Difranco... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:35:21 -0500 From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Bands you broke up with Her most recent is wretched wretched wretched, but I'll still listen to Fumbling, Solace and Touch a few times a year, and Surfacing sooooooooometimes, but only if I really want to play the high school nostalgia game, I don't think it's a great album. ~Tim On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jason Gordon wrote: > I've broken up hardest with Sarah McLachlan...dont even want to hear > anything new by her now...and dont get me started on those damn animal abuse > commercials... > > Also on the list Dar Williams and Ani Difranco... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:00:30 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Bands you broke up with With the exception of FTE, I find myself returning to Sarah's live albums, rather than her studio ones. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Tim Jones-Yelvington wrote: > Her most recent is wretched wretched wretched, but I'll still listen to > Fumbling, Solace and Touch a few times a year, and Surfacing > sooooooooometimes, but only if I really want to play the high school > nostalgia game, I don't think it's a great album. > > ~Tim > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jason Gordon wrote: > >> I've broken up hardest with Sarah McLachlan...dont even want to hear >> anything new by her now...and dont get me started on those damn animal abuse >> commercials... >> >> Also on the list Dar Williams and Ani Difranco... > - -- Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 22:29:35 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Bands you broke up with I'm the same. For me she's in the "no longer follow, but still remember the good times" category. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Tim Jones-Yelvington wrote: > Her most recent is wretched wretched wretched, but I'll still listen to > Fumbling, Solace and Touch a few times a year, and Surfacing > sooooooooometimes, but only if I really want to play the high school > nostalgia game, I don't think it's a great album. > > ~Tim > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jason Gordon > wrote: > > > I've broken up hardest with Sarah McLachlan...dont even want to hear > > anything new by her now...and dont get me started on those damn animal > abuse > > commercials... > > > > Also on the list Dar Williams and Ani Difranco... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 19:51:52 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Bands you broke up with Careful you guys, there's a few insecure control freak manager types around that will go after you for all this....you'll be called vindictive, it will be blamed on something personal, and you'll be expected to shut up about it - even if listening to the "newer" musicality of said "artists" makes you want to crawl out of your skin. :-) That said, have you guys heard The Joy Formidable???? Check the video for The Whirring... AMAZING !! http://youtu.be/a2BUEzdjfpY?hd=1 On 5/6/11 7:29 PM, Paul Blair wrote: > I'm the same. For me she's in the "no longer follow, but still remember the > good times" category. > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Tim Jones-Yelvingtonwrote: > >> Her most recent is wretched wretched wretched, but I'll still listen to >> Fumbling, Solace and Touch a few times a year, and Surfacing >> sooooooooometimes, but only if I really want to play the high school >> nostalgia game, I don't think it's a great album. >> >> ~Tim >> >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jason Gordon >> wrote: >> >>> I've broken up hardest with Sarah McLachlan...dont even want to hear >>> anything new by her now...and dont get me started on those damn animal >> abuse >>> commercials... >>> >>> Also on the list Dar Williams and Ani Difranco... ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V16 #95 **************************