From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #182 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, July 5 2009 Volume 14 : Number 182 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:what ever happened to baby pete [Dave ] Re: what ever happened to baby pete [birdie ] baby pete/talk box [Factory_Alberto ] Re: baby pete/talk box [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:58:59 -0500 From: Dave Subject: Re:what ever happened to baby pete > I wonder what Frampton is up to ;-) > > Birdie besides this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_Bjf-a5rs of course what Frampton used is a Talk Box, which is basically a horn speaker driver connected to a plastic tube, sound from the driver goes through the tube, into the players mouth and out to the microphone, allowing the sound to be shaped with the mouth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:40:38 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: what ever happened to baby pete ah, talk box...i guess that was the primitive version of the vocoder.... well.... talk about a gimmick gone gold and.....far man, he was like an instant rock god outta nowhere (via A&M records) when he burst on the scene with that thing you can kinda tell who lost their retirement savings in the crash or via the great maddoff swindle.... riiiight? of course, i couldn't be more thrilled that Todd Rundgren is gonna be doing A Wizard A True Star - live - for the first time ever, starting in Cleveland this September... weeeeeeeeeeee! On Jul 4, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Dave wrote: >> I wonder what Frampton is up to ;-) >> Birdie > > besides this? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_Bjf-a5rs > > of course what Frampton used is a Talk Box, which is basically a > horn speaker driver connected to a plastic tube, sound from the > driver goes through the tube, into the players mouth and out to the > microphone, allowing the sound to be shaped with the mouth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Factory_Alberto Subject: baby pete/talk box A handful of high profile guitarists started using the effect around the same time as Goldilocks... er... Frampton. Notably Joe Perry of Aerosmith (on Sweet Emotion) and David Gilmour of Pink Floyd (extensively on the Animals LP) Where they succeeded over Frampton IMO was using it exclusively as a guitar effect, manipulated with their mouths, rather than also as a vocal effect (like Petey), which I thought sounded kind of silly... and cheesy compared to the technologically superior vocoders in use around the same time by pioneers of the instrument like Kraftwerk... From: birdie Date: July 4, 2009 5:40:38 PM CDT To: sspan@magpage.com Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: what ever happened to baby pete ah, talk box...i guess that was the primitive version of the vocoder.... well.... talk about a gimmick gone gold and.....far man, he was like an instant rock god outta nowhere (via A&M records) when he burst on the scene with that thing you can kinda tell who lost their retirement savings in the crash or via the great maddoff swindle.... riiiight? of course, i couldn't be more thrilled that Todd Rundgren is gonna be doing A Wizard A True Star - live - for the first time ever, starting in Cleveland this September... weeeeeeeeeeee! On Jul 4, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Dave wrote: I wonder what Frampton is up to ;-) Birdie besides this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_Bjf-a5rs of course what Frampton used is a Talk Box, which is basically a horn speaker driver connected to a plastic tube, sound from the driver goes through the tube, into the players mouth and out to the microphone, allowing the sound to be shaped with the mouth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:23:40 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: baby pete/talk box i didnt become aware of kraftwerk til late 70's in SF....trans europe express. I was the house steward of the Fox-Warfield in 1979 when Gary Numan played there (also we had The Clash, Pretenders, et al)...who was widely regarded as the king of synth pop - Eno being too experimental - and Todd being too much a male Laura Nyro - Carole King...as for Petey, it really is interesting how the techno of the 70's was used by such a variety of peeps....and, Petey with his hair and outfits and posturing - and positioning by A&M, was really manufactured - and I'd say, cheesy for much more than how he used the talk box....what a marketing story that one was... As an aside, Philip Springer - who started in Tin Pan Alley - was a brill building writer (wrote Santa Baby + songs for elvis, judy garland - taught Fred Ebb how to write songs, etc), moved out to LA in the 60's and got a Phd in music...taught a class at UCLA in electronic music back around 1975. He is still writing/playing - sharp as a tack - in his 80's now.... Living history.... not a gimmick in his bag or hair do or outfit. :-) On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Factory_Alberto wrote: > A handful of high profile guitarists started using the effect around > the same > time as Goldilocks... er... Frampton. Notably Joe Perry of Aerosmith > (on Sweet > Emotion) and David Gilmour of Pink Floyd (extensively on the Animals > LP) Where > they succeeded over Frampton IMO was using it exclusively as a > guitar effect, > manipulated with their mouths, rather than also as a vocal effect > (like > Petey), which I thought sounded kind of silly... and cheesy compared > to the > technologically superior vocoders in use around the same time by > pioneers of > the instrument like Kraftwerk... > > From: birdie > Date: > July 4, 2009 5:40:38 PM CDT > To: sspan@magpage.com > Cc: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: > Re: what ever happened to baby pete > > > ah, talk box...i guess that was the > primitive version of the vocoder.... > > well.... talk about a gimmick gone gold > and.....far > > man, he was like an instant rock god outta nowhere (via A&M > records) when he burst on the scene with that thing > > you can kinda tell who > lost their retirement savings in the crash or via the great maddoff > swindle.... riiiight? > > of course, i couldn't be more thrilled that Todd > Rundgren is gonna be doing A Wizard A True Star - live - for the > first time > ever, starting in Cleveland this September... > > weeeeeeeeeeee! > > > > On Jul 4, > 2009, at 1:58 PM, Dave wrote: > > I wonder what Frampton is up to ;-) > Birdie > besides this? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_Bjf-a5rs > > of course what > Frampton used is a Talk Box, which is basically a horn speaker driver > connected to a plastic tube, sound from the driver goes through the > tube, into > the players mouth and out to the microphone, allowing the sound to > be shaped > with the mouth. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #182 ***************************