From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #178 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, July 1 2009 Volume 14 : Number 178 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] I have learned the name of the enemy [Steve VanDevender ] Re: New Jewel [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: I have learned the name of the enemy [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: I have learned the name of the enemy [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Live Thea album [Michael Quinn ] Re: I have learned the name of the enemy [morayati@email.unc.edu] Re: I have learned the name of the enemy [Alberto ] Re: I have learned the name of the enemy [morayati@email.unc.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Henning Rech (henning.rech@web.de) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Aly Fields Thu January 04 1990 Yield Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. 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Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 Libra Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Suzanne DeCory Tue October 22 1968 Balancing Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kat Crowder Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Hope Wed November 05 2008 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Neb Rodgers Tue November 10 1959 Space Available - Inquire Within Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Craig Gidney November 11 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Jenny Bruce Mon November 14 1966 fire-horse scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Sun - Capricorn Moon - Virgo Ascent Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Lenore December 05 sagi Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:09:59 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: I have learned the name of the enemy In the past year or so I've noticed some popular songs use a vocal effect that sounds kind of like flanging. And I really, really hate it. It's painful to listen to. Thanks to the Nova Science Now episode I saw earlier this evening, I found out it's egregious abuse of "autotune" pitch correction. Besides a clip of the Cher song "Believe" which was apparently one of the first major examples of such abuse, they had clips from some other songs which showed this was exactly what I have been hearing and loathing. Apparently it's a result of trying to do instantaneous pitch changes with "autotune", rather than allowing some transition time when changing from note to note. Although it also sounded like trying to do too much pitch correction also produced the effect I hate. So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:46:22 +0800 From: milli Subject: RE: Rare Angels *non members speed not more than 45kbps for the 111mb dowload* *well worth the 40min. timeframe! thanx so much! ;)** > OK, Rare Angels has now been digitized. The MP3s are digital transfers from the original 1995 compilation DAT tape, and the CD tracks were freshly ripped from the original discs. They're all bundled into a single ZIP file, which you can get at: http://rapidshare.com/files/240378127/RareAngels.zip The file is pretty big so you'll probably want to have a good broadband connection to download it. :) - -- "Art Is The Lie That Shows Us The Truth" Pablo Picasso http://lv.raad.tartu.ee:10105/view/index.shtml http://lv.raad.tartu.ee:10201/view/index.shtml http://myspace.com/moondingo http://myspace.com/broomgirl http://radioparadise.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:49:09 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: New Jewel On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Dan_Stark wrote: > > OK, Rare Angels has now been digitized. The MP3s are digital > transfers from the original 1995 compilation DAT tape, and the CD > tracks were freshly ripped from the original discs. They're all > bundled into a single ZIP file, which you can get at: Dan, you completely rock. Thanks so much for putting this together (again)! I'm looking forward to listening to this at work today! jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:51:19 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy Is that different than the T-Pain vocoder thing? On 7/1/09 2:09 AM, "Steve VanDevender" wrote: > In the past year or so I've noticed some popular songs use a > vocal effect that sounds kind of like flanging. And I really, really > hate it. It's painful to listen to. > > Thanks to the Nova Science Now episode I saw earlier this evening, I > found out it's egregious abuse of "autotune" pitch correction. Besides > a clip of the Cher song "Believe" which was apparently one of the first > major examples of such abuse, they had clips from some other songs which > showed this was exactly what I have been hearing and loathing. > Apparently it's a result of trying to do instantaneous pitch changes > with "autotune", rather than allowing some transition time when > changing from note to note. Although it also sounded like trying to do > too much pitch correction also produced the effect I hate. > > So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:00:42 -0500 From: Jon Wesley Huff Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy I thought the Believe effect was a Vocoder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocoder On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Steve VanDevender < stevev@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote: > In the past year or so I've noticed some popular songs use a > vocal effect that sounds kind of like flanging. And I really, really > hate it. It's painful to listen to. > > Thanks to the Nova Science Now episode I saw earlier this evening, I > found out it's egregious abuse of "autotune" pitch correction. Besides > a clip of the Cher song "Believe" which was apparently one of the first > major examples of such abuse, they had clips from some other songs which > showed this was exactly what I have been hearing and loathing. > Apparently it's a result of trying to do instantaneous pitch changes > with "autotune", rather than allowing some transition time when > changing from note to note. Although it also sounded like trying to do > too much pitch correction also produced the effect I hate. > > So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:08:25 +0000 (GMT) From: gordodo@optonline.net Subject: Live Thea album other than adam's post, i havent seen any discussion of the new live thea album - i've been listening to it pretty much more than anything else recently - truly a stunning album - about half the tracks are so good that they give me the chills np Lamb - Between Darkness and Wonder - ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Kimmel Date: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:30 am Subject: Live Thea album/Bat for Lashes/music To: ecto@smoe.org > This from Thea Gilmore: > "Thea's first ever live album "Recorded Delivery" has now been > confirmed for release on May 18th on Fullfill/Universal. > > The full track listing is: > Old Soul > Concrete > You And Frank Sinatra > Rosie > The Lower Road > If You Miss Me At The Back Of The Bus > Icarus Wind > Have You Heard > Juliet > Everybody's Numb > This Girl Is Taking Bets > My Own Private Riot > Rags And Bones > When I Get Back To Shore > Inverigo > > The recordings are taken from UK shows during 2006 and 2008." > > Sounds like it could be phenonemal, a really great mix of old > and new. It looks like it will lack the coherence of a true > live performance, but the selection is top-notch (yeah, yeah, > IMHO), especially the rarely-performed My Own Private Riot, > which was the electrifying high point of her set list in 2006. > good to see You and Frank Sinatra, which I've only seen on > YouTube, and I've never heard or heard of Concrete. > > Adam K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:47:21 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: RE: Live Thea album B Ah, thank you -- I've been remiss in my own feedback. I like it a LOT, especially the inclusion of various unreleased songs such as "Concrete" (autobiographical and new to me) "Me and Frank Sinatra" (one of her best tunes ever, IMHO) and "If You Miss Me At the Back of the Bus", a civil rights singalong she did on her last tour. There's also the welcome addition of a spine-tingling "My Own Private Riot" which she gave a rare outing to a couple of years ago and here features a manic guitar solo (sorry, don't have the liner notes to hand to give credit where it's due). The album, although it takes live tracks from a couple of years' worth of tours and many venues, evolves as it goes along, starting with just Thea and her acoustic guitar and then adding more musicians until you have the full electric blast of "My Own Private Riot". My only niggle is that, once you get the full band, there is a tendency for some of the tracks to sound a bit too faithful. That said, it's good to her "Everybody's Numb" divorced from the shiny production of "Harpo's Ghost", and "Rags and Bones" has a wonderful vitality to it. I find myself looking forward to her promised "Christmas" album with none of the dread I usually reserve for such seasonal fare. Adam K np: Thin Air/Peter Hammill (ah, now THIS is one for another post entirely. Bet you can't wait.) -----Original Message----- From: gordodo@optonline.net Sent: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:08:25 +0000 (GMT) To: adamk@inbox.com Subject: Live Thea album other than adam's post, i havent seen any discussion of the new live thea album - i've been listening to it pretty much more than anything else recently - truly a stunning album - about half the tracks are so good that they giveB me the chills B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy > So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. nonsense. it's just a tool. it's the misuse of it that should be condemned. if you want your song's narrator to be a robot, it's perfect. the interesting thing i've heard is that the dependence on autotune and other technologies that allow for very minute tweaking of sound is leading to a world in which people don't actually HAVE to train their voices or be precise musically - it'll get fixed later. which leads to a degradation of live performances, where people can't actually perform their own recorded work. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://www.kappamaki.com/ http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:19:47 -0400 From: Karen Hester Subject: The Sony catalogue has hit emusic Which means (for Americans) all the 2005 Tori boots, a few Kate albums, and slowly other things will be released (I think they're concentrating on Dylan, Springsteen etc at the moment). There's an embargo (2 years?) so no current albums. The album pricing is good to see, e.g. disc with 35 short early music pieces costs 12 credits instead of 35. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:21:09 -0400 From: Michael Quinn Subject: Re: Live Thea album It is wonderful! I don't usually consider live albums for my "best of the year" list but this one is an exception. Her rendition of "My Own Private Riot" on that album is particularly a stunner and I love that new song "Concrete". Thea never ceases to totally amaze me... Adam Kimmel wrote: > B Ah, thank you -- I've been remiss in my own feedback. I like it a LOT, especially the inclusion of various unreleased songs such as "Concrete" (autobiographical and new to me) "Me and Frank Sinatra" (one of her best tunes ever, IMHO) and "If You Miss Me At the Back of the Bus", a civil rights singalong she did on her last tour. There's also the welcome addition of a spine-tingling "My Own Private Riot" which she gave a rare outing to a couple of years ago and here features a manic guitar solo (sorry, don't have the liner notes to hand to give credit where it's due). The album, although it takes live tracks from a couple of years' worth of tours and many venues, evolves as it goes along, starting with just Thea and her acoustic guitar and then adding more musicians until you have the full electric blast of "My Own Private Riot". My only niggle is that, once you get the full band, there is a tendency for some of the tracks to sound a bit too faithful. That said, it's goo! > d to her "Everybody's Numb" divorced from the shiny production of "Harpo's Ghost", and "Rags and Bones" has a wonderful vitality to it. I find myself looking forward to her promised "Christmas" album with none of the dread I usually reserve for such seasonal fare. > > Adam K > np: Thin Air/Peter Hammill (ah, now THIS is one for another post entirely. Bet you can't wait.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: gordodo@optonline.net > Sent: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:08:25 +0000 (GMT) > To: adamk@inbox.com > Subject: Live Thea album > > other than adam's post, i havent seen any discussion of the new live thea album - i've been listening to it pretty much more than anything else recently - truly a stunning album - about half the tracks are so good that they giveB me the chills > B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:56:02 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, I think training one's voice is important. To a certain degree. For some things. Even here I'm wavering. I used to take lessons for musicals and the like, so it's been ingrained in me pretty hard. On the other, a great deal of my favorite artists haven't had formal training. And it doesn't matter because their music absolutely backs it up. It's more psychological for me. I hear a song and my first question is "can I trust this singer?" Which is troubling on several levels. The laziness aspect, I guess, is what frustrates me more. It's possible to shoehorn a melody out of people who aren't even trying. (Yes, it is. There's a popular video series on YouTube that does this with news anchors.) Quoting Bernie Mojzes : >> So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. > > nonsense. it's just a tool. it's the misuse of it that should be > condemned. if you want your song's narrator to be a robot, it's > perfect. > > the interesting thing i've heard is that the dependence on autotune > and other technologies that allow for very minute tweaking of sound > is leading to a world in which people don't actually HAVE to train > their voices or be precise musically - it'll get fixed later. which > leads to a degradation of live performances, where people can't > actually perform their own recorded work. > > > > -- > > brni > > i don't want the world, > i just want your half. > > http://www.kappamaki.com/ > http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy Agreed, Bernie. Brian Eno used the device extensively on his last album of "songs", Another Day on Earth. Of course, he didn't use the device as intended. He cranked it in directions the inventors never considered, which are far more interesting. The inventors might be horrified to hear of the abuse at his hand, but Eno has always been great when it comes to that approach. He discusses it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGB8M1Gh0Eo&feature=related Also, regarding the collaboration of Lisa Gerrard and Klaus Schulze. Brilliant! The most common criticism of Klaus is that his music is "cold" and that he's a technician more than a musician, so it's gratifying to see his music embraced by one of the most passionate, soulful singers (IMO) of our time. She obviously saw the depth of emotion in a body of work that has been dismissed by so many. The only other singer I recall him collaborating with so extensively is Arthur Brown of 60's "Fire" fame. Check out his album Dune if you're interested in that. Among the best work by both of the artists. I like everything I've heard in the KS discography but especially his ground-breaking work from 1976-1988, which influenced everything from synth-pop, to techno, electronica, et al... Even progressive classical groups like Kronos Quartet owe a debt. Never thought Klaus would show up in an Ecto discussion but I'm happy to see it. - --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Bernie Mojzes wrote: From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy To: "Steve VanDevender" Cc: ecto@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 7:27 AM > So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. nonsense. it's just a tool. it's the misuse of it that should be condemned. if you want your song's narrator to be a robot, it's perfect. the interesting thing i've heard is that the dependence on autotune and other technologies that allow for very minute tweaking of sound is leading to a world in which people don't actually HAVE to train their voices or be precise musically - it'll get fixed later. which leads to a degradation of live performances, where people can't actually perform their own recorded work. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://www.kappamaki.com/ http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:20:17 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy Bernie Mojzes writes: > > > So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. > > nonsense. it's just a tool. it's the misuse of it that should be > condemned. if you want your song's narrator to be a robot, it's perfect. Consider it a bit of rhetorical excess. I really really do hate the buzzy flangy sound that is produced. Laurie Anderson playing with a vocoder does not bug me the way overstretching autotune does. There are other less annoying ways to make your singer sound like a robot if that's what you want. > the interesting thing i've heard is that the dependence on autotune and > other technologies that allow for very minute tweaking of sound is leading > to a world in which people don't actually HAVE to train their voices or be > precise musically - it'll get fixed later. which leads to a degradation of > live performances, where people can't actually perform their own recorded > work. But there is an established technological solution for that: lip-syncing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:27:10 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy Jon Wesley Huff writes: > I thought the Believe effect was a Vocoder. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocoder Ah, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotune says that while Cher's producers claimed they had used a vocoder they were apparently just doing so to keep secret that they had done it with autotune. > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Steve VanDevender < > stevev@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote: > > > In the past year or so I've noticed some popular songs use a > > vocal effect that sounds kind of like flanging. And I really, really > > hate it. It's painful to listen to. > > > > Thanks to the Nova Science Now episode I saw earlier this evening, I > > found out it's egregious abuse of "autotune" pitch correction. Besides > > a clip of the Cher song "Believe" which was apparently one of the first > > major examples of such abuse, they had clips from some other songs which > > showed this was exactly what I have been hearing and loathing. > > Apparently it's a result of trying to do instantaneous pitch changes > > with "autotune", rather than allowing some transition time when > > changing from note to note. Although it also sounded like trying to do > > too much pitch correction also produced the effect I hate. > > > > So that's it. "Autotune" must be destroyed as a crime against music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:49:55 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy On Jul 1, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > the interesting thing i've heard is that the dependence on autotune > and other technologies that allow for very minute tweaking of sound > is leading to a world in which people don't actually HAVE to train > their voices or be precise musically - it'll get fixed later. which > leads to a degradation of live performances, where people can't > actually perform their own recorded work. when digital software became available within post production for film, some DP's had the attitude of "it can be fixed in post" - so if a scene was shot slightly out of focus, no problem. What the hell? You gotta figure if you can't focus a camera, you shouldn't be working on something dependent on focus that is costing millions to make. I mean, who hired that camera operator....... but so, digital, has lead to all kinds of people getting and having jobs that work for less and have displaced really experienced & talented people. Film editors to singers. Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:53:20 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: I have learned the name of the enemy If by "established technological solution" you mean "absolutely inexcusable in every single way," sure. This is a pet peeve of mine. Too many singers who know better and who have the chops do it. Quoting Steve VanDevender : > > But there is an established technological solution for that: > lip-syncing. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #178 ***************************