From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #115 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, April 28 2009 Volume 14 : Number 115 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["Richard Messum" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["Richard Messum" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["Richard Messum" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["Richard Messum" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song [birdie ] oops! I'm tired [birdie ] Re: Re: Happy Rhodes Song [krjames@buffalo.edu] Twitter thing and lookism [birdie ] Re: Twitter thing and lookism ["robert bristow-johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:12:48 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Right, well, evidently i'm in the minority here. Maybe it was the sight of the bass player in cut-off jeans that appalled me. I hate cut-off jeans in real life, i also hate them on the Interweb. Onna, your performance was fine. But i think that if you're going to go to all of the trouble of posting a video, a bit more effort might have been in order. Sorry, that's the way it is in this post-literate MTV age. And the day i go to Vegas to see Silly Dion i will eat my own liver. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song I'm with you, Jeff. A good-faith, sincere effort to expose people to the song-writing talents of Happy Rhodes did not call for a petty, Simon Cowell-type critique. Or a second response attempting to justify the first in terms even more rude. Isn't this a network of friends with common interests? And I happen to agree it's about the music first and foremost. If presentation is "what it's all about" for you, there are always shows like Celine Dion in Las Vegas... Jeffrey Burka wrote: richard sez: > I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it > looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any > favours. > > It's all about presentation. Sad but true. Um, no. No, it isn't. What does us favors is presenting the work of unknown artists, thereby creating fans. Which clearly Onna did. What does us no favors is needless insulting someone over the way they're comfortable dressing in a performance setting. Some of us are here for the music. Not the look. Not the makeup. Not the clothes. Onna had an audience and made the most of it...and then shared her lovely performance with us. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:38:16 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song You're all 100 % right and i'm a complete and total arsehole. And i still maintain that Americans in general do NOT grasp the concept of irony. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song I'm with you, Jeff. A good-faith, sincere effort to expose people to the song-writing talents of Happy Rhodes did not call for a petty, Simon Cowell-type critique. Or a second response attempting to justify the first in terms even more rude. Isn't this a network of friends with common interests? And I happen to agree it's about the music first and foremost. If presentation is "what it's all about" for you, there are always shows like Celine Dion in Las Vegas... Jeffrey Burka wrote: richard sez: > I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it > looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any > favours. > > It's all about presentation. Sad but true. Um, no. No, it isn't. What does us favors is presenting the work of unknown artists, thereby creating fans. Which clearly Onna did. What does us no favors is needless insulting someone over the way they're comfortable dressing in a performance setting. Some of us are here for the music. Not the look. Not the makeup. Not the clothes. Onna had an audience and made the most of it...and then shared her lovely performance with us. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:41:57 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Actually, i like negative stereotypes. I like stereotypes of all types, and i like clichis, too. Richard (voted unanimously Ecto's Idiot Of The Week) ----- Original Message ----- From: Aly Fields To: Richard Messum Cc: ecto Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Did it do you such a disservice, though, that it was necessary to make a snarky remark (one that was not only a personal jibe but one that provided a negative stereotype, too)? I don't normally get in the middle of stuff, but Jeff and Alberto are right - this is about the arts and supporting artists, not image... And Onna is not only trying to put the word out for herself, but for Happy, which (who'd have imagined it) was the original purpose of Ecto. Also, cheers, F.J. - ace pic! NP: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Richard Messum wrote: Er, wasn't your original reply "Aw, thanks"? (Confirming my and the rest of the world's opinion that Americans don't understand irony, or sracasm). I didn't say that it sucked, though -- the performance was just fine. I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any favours. It's all about presentation. Sad but true. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Onna To: ecto Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Wow Richard, You watched the vid. and that is all you got was my t-shirt and jeans? to quote: "Nice to see that you got dressed up for it." .. General poll here, If you all think this sucks I would consider taking it down. I did this to honour 'Happy' not to bring shame. 3 people asked where they could find her music that night that they loved it. So that is a good thing, more people should be doing her songs and recording them, she is an amazing artist. So, have a blessed day, Onna ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Messum To: ecto Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Nice to see that you got dressed up for it. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Onna To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Happy Rhodes Song Ok, shamelessly I have uploaded a video that a dear friend shot of us last night at the Water Canyon. One of the songs was Happy's "When the Rain Came Down". It is at: http://www.youtube.com/onnasworld I know I don't come anywhere near Happy's talent, but I love this song among many others of hers. I wrote her awhile back and asked permission to sing it or put up a vid. should we get one. She wrote back and said SURE! so here goes. Anyway the little venue was fun and we had alot of great musicians show up to do their shtick..some poets, songwriters and an amazing guitar player, wish I had his chops! THanks for letting me share, Onna http://myspace.com/onnasongs http://www.facebook.com OnnaAddis http://picasaweb.google.com/OnnasImages/OnnasFavoritePaintings http://donnasdreams.tripod.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:45:23 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song This too shall pass. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto To: Ecto Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song *laughing my ASS off* "F.J.Fornorn" wrote: From ectofest 1999, photo by JeffW: http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/3/large/018_15a.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:57:50 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Ah, fabulous, finally some Happy related postings.... I totally agree that looks or how nice a person is doesn't at the end of the day make them good or bad musicians or talented artists... It just means they invest in money and putting on a face. Putting on a face is just fine for actors, on the screen/stage But, people that dress up and are nice just to please shallow minded people are... Probably trying to compensate for lack of musical chops or real talent. I happen to know Onna lives out in the desert any way you can get your shorts out there is better than a pair of jeans. I'm sure more than a few have been hacked off and turned into shorts on a 100F+ day.. D'oh. On Apr 27, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Richard Messum wrote: > Right, well, evidently i'm in the minority here. Maybe it was the > sight of > the bass player in cut-off jeans that appalled me. I hate cut-off > jeans in > real life, i also hate them on the Interweb. > > Onna, your performance was fine. But i think that if you're going > to go to > all of the trouble of posting a video, a bit more effort might have > been in > order. Sorry, that's the way it is in this post-literate MTV age. > > And the day i go to Vegas to see Silly Dion i will eat my own liver. > > Richard > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alberto > To: ecto@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song > > > I'm with you, Jeff. > > A good-faith, sincere effort to expose people to the song-writing > talents > of Happy Rhodes did not call for a petty, Simon Cowell-type > critique. Or a > second response attempting to justify the first in terms even more > rude. Isn't > this a network of friends with common interests? > > And I happen to agree it's about the music first and foremost. If > presentation is "what it's all about" for you, there are always > shows like > Celine Dion in Las Vegas... > > > Jeffrey Burka wrote: > richard sez: > >> I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it >> looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any >> favours. >> >> It's all about presentation. Sad but true. > > Um, no. No, it isn't. > > What does us favors is presenting the work of unknown artists, > thereby > creating fans. Which clearly Onna did. > > What does us no favors is needless insulting someone over the way > they're comfortable dressing in a performance setting. > > Some of us are here for the music. Not the look. Not the makeup. > Not the clothes. Onna had an audience and made the most of it...and > then shared her lovely performance with us. > > jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:03:28 -0700 From: birdie Subject: oops! I'm tired Ah, fabulous, finally some Happy related postings.... I totally agree that looks or how nice a person is, doesn't at the end of the day make them good or bad musicians or talented artists... It just means they invest in show *clothes* and putting on a face. Putting on a face is just fine for actors, on the screen/stage But, people that dress up and are nice just to please shallow minded people are... Probably trying to compensate for lack of musical chops or real talent. I happen to know Onna lives out in the desert any way you can get your shorts out there is better than a pair of jeans. I'm sure more than a few have been hacked off and turned into shorts on a 100F+ day.. D'oh. Of course, it would have been really bad if they had all dressed up and acted all nice and played a crappy version. That's as bad as it gets.... Kinda like biting into an apple that looks great on the outside but is rotten on the inside. No thanks - gimme the cut-off's any day over that! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:57:16 -0400 From: krjames@buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Not if you keep posting it won't. On Mon 04/27/09 8:45 PM , "Richard Messum" spriggsoc@cyg.net sent: > This too shall pass. > > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alberto > To: Ecto > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song > > > *laughing my ASS off* > > > "F.J.Fornorn" nj@earthlink.net> wrote: From ectofest 1999, photo byJeffW: > > http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/3/large/018_15a.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:37:30 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Twitter thing and lookism People search for topics they are interested on twitter and discover people to follow via searches. I just posted I need knee replacement surgery and bam, had a knee pain specialist as my new best friend! Same thing if I use #hashtags. Some great people can find you this way. I don't get much spam. I just posted about Anais Nin and found I have a poet following me... What you put out, you get back....and sometimes, it's spam. If you twitter about selling your house, you'll prolly get a few real estate peeps following you....If you twit, God! I peed my pants - you'll probably attract a few christians. They come and go :-) I find I have the most wonderful people that I have exchanges with, whether it's DJ's at KCRW, artists of all types who's work intersects with mine or my life and then - there are various communities that I am part of and there's old friends and so, a huge pot o' peeps. I am starting a documentary project on music and how it impacted tsunami relief efforts and hurricane katrina efforts and so others can be more exposed to the wonderful affect music has on people in crisis, so, I have a twitter just for that.... I have a twitter for the record company I am starting up, and for 3 of the bands involved in it. I don't care about looking good on twitter, just real, and I tend to be in a hurry. People who plant twits that are all staged to make them look good, can be sussed out a mile away. So, they probably attract people who look good but are rotten to the core. LOL But seriously, as a photographer.... Let me just say - LOVED the Happy picture - outside, air conditioned bib overalls! Lovely! And, there is nothing more tragic than pimped up musicians who can send people running to the exits because they are dreadful together, musically. All it takes is one bad player in a band to make that fabulous poster art suddenly bite everybody hard in the ass cos the audience gets expecations they must be soooo good as they look great on the flyer and then....NOT! You are better off surprising them... Like Susan Boyle. I wont let my photo's be used by manipulative hustlers who want to look great but deliver crap. It's a form of false advertising, and I am known for my eye and ears and have every right to maintain my standards as people expect to see an Amanda Palmer or My Brightest Diamond or Lelia Broussard and if it is someone NEW like Theresa Andersson, they should be comfortable coming to see them and knowing just by the fact I took the picture, she is probably really good...if not great. So, I have NO business allowing pictures out of people who may play dress up well, but perform badly together. If I want to take pictures of people that are posers, I can go hang on Melrose and shoot people on the street...or down to Venice Beach.... It burns everyone when the acts look great and sound like crap. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:11:00 -0400 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Twitter thing and lookism > ----- Original Message ----- > From: birdie > To: "ecto [place]" > Subject: Twitter thing and lookism > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:37:30 -0700 > > > People search for topics they are interested on twitter and discover people > to follow via searches. I just posted I need knee replacement surgery and > bam, had a knee pain specialist as my new best friend! ... > If you twit, God! I peed my pants - you'll probably attract > a few christians. They come and go :-) that's really funny! (and i count myself as a sorta luddite Christian who doesn't twit and fails to see any value in Facebook and would rather just be contacted by good ol' email.) :-\ - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:21:58 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: [none] At 8:09 PM -0400 4/27/09, Alberto wrote: > >Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song > >*laughing my ASS off* > > >"F.J.Fornorn" wrote: From ectofest 1999, >photo by JeffW: > >http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/3/large/018_15a.jpg Well, at least she has cute shoes. I never understood the ripped-to-shtt denims look, though. mp (on Twitter as @mklprc) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #115 ***************************