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Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: dumb Twitter question [birdie ] Re: dumb Twitter question [Ellen Rawson ] Re: dumb Twitter question [Marypt51@aol.com] Re: dumb Twitter question [meredith ] Re: dumb Twitter question [Ellen Rawson ] Re: dumb Twitter question [Marypt51@aol.com] Re: dumb Twitter question [morayati@email.unc.edu] Re: dumb Twitter question [] Re: dumb Twitter question [] Re: dumb Twitter question [Ellen Rawson ] Re: dumb Twitter question [birdie ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Happy_Rhodes_Song?= ["Onna"] Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["Richard Messum" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["Richard Messum" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song [Alberto ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song ["F.J.Fornorn" ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song [Alberto ] Re: Happy Rhodes Song [Aly Fields ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:52:04 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question On Apr 26, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Greg Dunn wrote: > At 10:35 PM -0700 4/26/09, Steve VanDevender wrote: >> rear admirable writes: >> >> And yet again I wonder wny anyone cares about Twitter. It's a great way to get info across, videos posted, POV expressed, track trends, and so on in a very quick efficient manner - It's how you use it. It could save a life, it could waste your time. Depends on the user. Bt then there are ppl who are neither educational, funny, intelligent or anything but self gratifing egocentric and boring as in "I had such a fun day". I mean, at least declare you are going to have a fun year as the reality of life will be fun to see challenge that! >> In general I think it's an ego-serving waste. I'm finding it a welcomed refuge from 9 million wanna be musicians, all that want a hand or some money or some advice or.... Twitter isn't conducive to endless sales pitches to preorder or buy the new CD or come see a show etc Myspace feels like the domain of panhandlers, more and more. But I get a lot of requests, and I'm tired of all the claptrap out there I find much less of all that on twitter and can always unfollow people I am not interested in So, I find it an excellent environment for working with others. connecting people, learning about things, keeping up with what is going on in science, music biz, health issues, and so on It's pretty spam/panhandler free > -- > | Greg Dunn | And all you touch and all you > see | > | gregdunn@indy.net | Is all your life will ever > be. | > | The Sultan of Slack(tm) | Pink > Floyd | > | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ > | | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question - --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Steve VanDevender wrote: > > And yet again I wonder wny anyone cares about Twitter. Did you read the Guardian's amusing April Fool Twitter story? http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/apr/01/guardian-twitter-media-technology Ellen "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:42:29 EDT From: Marypt51@aol.com Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question In a message dated 4/27/09 3:25:27 AM, silme13@yahoo.com writes: <<<< > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Steve VanDevender > wrote: > > > > > And yet again I wonder wny anyone cares about Twitter. > > Did you read the Guardian's amusing April Fool Twitter story? > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/apr/01/guardian-twitter-media-technolo > gy > > Ellen<<<<<< > > Funny story, although I have a comment about this particular sentence: >>>>>>>For example, Martin Luther King's legendary 1963 speech on the steps of the Lincoln memorial appears in the Guardian's Twitterised archive as "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by", eliminating the waffle and bluster of the original.<<<<<<<<< As I'm sure the Guardian writer probably knew, it's more likely a tweet would say, "I have a dream that my children 1 day won't be judged by their skin color but by the content of their character." (Obviously the twitterers don't just type the first part of a sentence and leave out the rest, so that was the only silly part of the article. I guess the writer was just being ironic. Or I guess you could tweet by writing the first part of the sentence and end with "...." and a hyperlink, so in a way they're right.) And the problem with Twitter as one's only source of news is obviously that a summary does not give us the richness of the language. But the summary can instead point people to the real mccoy via a hyperlink as a teaser. And it's good that the Guardian pointed out you can't replace literature with a summary, and if we do,we lose our language, culture, not to mention a full understanding of current events or news. But there is a place for longer stories one place and short teasers pointing elsewhere. Twitter may be a good way to keep up with things going on via a running feed of links to stories you want to see, without having to remember to log into fifty different websites. You see when they have a new story, the subject line appears in your feed and you just click on the link to the real story if you find the topic interesting. But perhaps it's best to limit how many you follow so as to not be overwhelmed. (If you wind up not having time to click any of the hyperlinks in the feed while struggling to have time to look through the long list of tweets, this could lead to a person winding up with just a mind full of summaries, a partial understanding. We really are starting to not have enough time in the day to do anything, and we may become a world of skim readers.) Basically it makes your feed page an index to news elsewhere. It's pretty helpful following ball games too as one person said, if the game is not one you can attend and there is no other way to follow it: better than nothing. I'm only now getting into twitter and am as new to it as everyone else here. ========= In a message dated 4/27/09 2:54:22 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: > >>>>>So, I find it an excellent environment for working with others. > connecting people, learning about things, keeping up with what is > going on in science, music biz, health issues, and so on > > It's pretty spam/panhandler free<<<<<<<<<< > I agree with everything in birdie's post (most of which I didn't repeat above), although as to the last sentence, I wanted to add a comment for those like me who are new to twitter. I find I get weird business add-friend requests almost daily from stores who have absolutely no point to their twitter account than to send out the s ame old spammed add me requests you get at social networking sites like Myspace; the main difference is it is shops or real estate businesses instead of bands. I find it a little creepy the way people you don't know or shops and realtors want to "follow" you at twitter or that they might try to use an RSS feed to follow you without you knowing it. I guess most of the spam requests are hoping that you will mindlessly reciprocate out of some sense of obligation (which they feel some may have to "build their numbers popularity") and follow them in return, thus providing the spammer a way to post advertisements; some of the advertisement accounts may just hope that people will learn their business exists from following you and not expect more to happen, I guess. (By add me request, I mean you receive a request to follow your feed if you have your page in private view, which you then can just ignore, and it's a simple notification that so and so is following your twitter account if you have a public one. It can also be slightly unnerving if I add an organization to keep up with their news via a personal account that is in private view for the purpose of chatting about personal daily moments with friends, the organization I added will automatically send back a reciprocal add me request, but I guess it is just politeness. Still trying to understand how it all works.) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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But Twitter has provided me with a great way to keep in touch with family members and friends I'd fallen out of e-mail contact with, the CNN Breaking News headlines are really useful, and if it weren't for Twitter I never would have discovered that my town is home to the beautiful roving thing called Cupcake Truck. *g* Not to mention some musicians out there have embraced it and made the absolute most out of what Twitter can be, foremost Imogen Heap and Amanda Palmer. When AFP Twittered during SXSW that she was hosting a pillow fight in the middle of 6th Street in 20 minutes and almost 50 people showed up with hotel pillows in hand, that was proof positive that Twitter is a very, very powerful way to get information out there. On the more somber side, during the Mumbai attacks last November, Twittered updates from eyewitnesses provided better real-time coverage than even CNN could at the time. And during the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, Twitter provided comprehensive coverage of the abuses of authority the local police and FBI committed against various progressive groups in the area. Much of that information is currently being used in the resulting legal proceedings. Twitter has already proven itself to be a good antidote to the BS often served up by the mainstream press. I don't hold some utopian vision that Twitter is going to remain a largely spam-free zone, and someday soon it's going to implode under its own weight in some fashion. But I'm really enjoying it while it lasts. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question - --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Marypt51@aol.com wrote: > As I'm sure the Guardian writer probably knew, it's > more likely a tweet > would say, "I have a dream that my children 1 day > won't be judged by their > skin > color but by the content of their character." Oh, yes, number homophones. Writing 1 for one. I'm actually in the process right now (well, obviously not as I type this) creating a terminology revision game for my AS English Language students and they need to know 'number and letter homophones' regarding electronic texts. :) Yes, for part of their exam next month, they'll be given two texts to analyse and compare in terms of linguistics. They'll get two of the following three: spoken word transcript, written word text or a transcript of an electronic text -- emails, text messaging, instant messaging etc. (The second part of the exam is on child language acquisition.) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:28:06 EDT From: Marypt51@aol.com Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question In a message dated 4/27/09 12:23:45 PM, silme13@yahoo.com writes: > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Marypt51@aol.com wrote: > > > As I'm sure the Guardian writer probably knew, it's > > more likely a tweet > > would say, "I have a dream that my children 1 day > > won't be judged by their > > skin > > color but by the content of their character." > > Oh, yes, number homophones. Writing 1 for one. I'm actually in the process > right now (well, obviously not as I type this) creating a terminology > revision game for my AS English Language students and they need to know 'number > and letter homophones' regarding electronic texts. :) > > Yes, for part of their exam next month, they'll be given two texts to > analyse and compare in terms of linguistics. They'll get two of the following > three: spoken word transcript, written word text or a transcript of an > electronic text -- emails, text messaging, instant messaging etc. (The second > part of the exam is on child language acquisition.) > > Ellen > To clarify, the only reason I used 1 instead of "one" is fear it would not fit into the 140 characters. I really hate the "2 u" type stuff people write normally but here are the occasions I understand it: 1. twitter, not able to fit in the space allotted otherwise 2. a friend is on a blackberry typing on the run and has barely enough time to write the message, let alone spell everything out -- it is shorthand in that case. But for those who habitually use the numbers when they don't have to, that is not something I condone particularly and it is not my practice. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http:// www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=Aprilfooter427NO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:51:18 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question I've never had to use text abbreviations to make a Twitter message fit. Ever. I'll admit I use it - a lot - but like any other medium of communication it's be as good or bad as your input. - -Sarah Quoting Marypt51@aol.com: > In a message dated 4/27/09 12:23:45 PM, silme13@yahoo.com writes: > > >> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Marypt51@aol.com wrote: >> >> > As I'm sure the Guardian writer probably knew, it's >> > more likely a tweet >> > would say, "I have a dream that my children 1 day >> > won't be judged by their >> > skin >> > color but by the content of their character." >> >> Oh, yes, number homophones. Writing 1 for one. I'm actually in the process >> right now (well, obviously not as I type this) creating a terminology >> revision game for my AS English Language students and they need to >> know 'number >> and letter homophones' regarding electronic texts. :) >> >> Yes, for part of their exam next month, they'll be given two texts to >> analyse and compare in terms of linguistics. They'll get two of the >> following >> three: spoken word transcript, written word text or a transcript of an >> electronic text -- emails, text messaging, instant messaging etc. >> (The second >> part of the exam is on child language acquisition.) >> >> Ellen >> > > To clarify, the only reason I used 1 instead of "one" is fear it would not > fit into the 140 characters. I really hate the "2 u" type stuff people write > normally but here are the occasions I understand it: > > 1. twitter, not able to fit in the space allotted otherwise > 2. a friend is on a blackberry typing on the run and has barely enough time > to write the message, let alone spell everything out -- it is shorthand in > that case. > > But for those who habitually use the numbers when they don't have to, that > is not something I condone particularly and it is not my practice. > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http:// > www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=Aprilfooter427NO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:33:00 -0700 From: Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question Ellen wrote: (The second part of the exam is on child language acquisition.) Ellen That is something that becomes very evident in say a brit-american household and the child picks up american slang at school and brings it home to Daddy to hear.... I could never get anything right as kids are unaware when they pick up slang words that aren't proper english and why they are a problem when all your friends talk like that... Then there was the time I was in Texas for two weeks without my parents, as a 5 year old, and I had a full on honkin texan accent upon their return. I could not figure out the strange reason why their faces fell and contorted when I started talking....until they caught their breath and exclaimed kinda horrified "she's got a texan accent!!" Priceless...but I never got out of trouble for saying, yeah instead of YES. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:00:00 -0700 From: Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question Most of the people I follow have information and links to outside articles videos songs etc and it's business related....and sometimes redundant, but if I miss it one tweet, someone will likely retweet it, and I don't take anything on twitter too seriously or only if I want to... It's entirely optional how you take things... It can be extremely useful when launching ideas. I launched the idea of Imogen Heap on the big coachella stage next year followed by Eurythmics w/special guests Lucent Dossier Vaudeville Cirque....I suggested it to Annie Lennox and Lucent Dossier (not on twitter) and as it was well received (it is a fantastic opening night billing) I gave it to Zoe Keating...cellist for Imogen, amanda palmer, dresden dolls and she in a tweet to her almost 300,000 followers said it was a cool idea and retweeted it....and more people jumped in to say how great that would be and it went sort of viral. Of course, it will be a surprise if it happens as they keep the line up mum til last minute and really...anything can happen... But I also put in for Zoe to do a solo set at the Lucent stage and that has a very good chance of happening as the do lab books that....not the main festival people. Other than that, I have been chatting with Andy Taylor from Duran Duran about pig flu and old times & a old mutual friend, and Banksy is on and he is very communitive, and there are other people who you'd think would be very obscure or impossible to chat with about art ideas life...who are right there... It is far more manageble than email, and I can get big ideas across fast and easy... Helps with my photography as I got a tweet from AFP about a last second secret show, I was able to shoot...and people were egging me on to go to Coachella so they could see pictures I'd take there and that got me to go.... If there is misinformation in the media or press, people can be alerted asap.... And my fave is I get the LA Fire Dept tweets....all their rescue fire accident calls come across.... of course it will be a big fail whale in a major earthquake...but hahaha... its free. www.myspace.com/birdiebreeze - -----Original Message----- From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subj: Re: dumb Twitter question Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:50 am Size: 2K To: ecto@smoe.org I've never had to use text abbreviations to make a Twitter message fit. Ever. I'll admit I use it - a lot - but like any other medium of communication it's be as good or bad as your input. - -Sarah Quoting Marypt51@aol.com: > In a message dated 4/27/09 12:23:45 PM, silme13@yahoo.com writes: > > >> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Marypt51@aol.com wrote: >> >> > As I'm sure the Guardian writer probably knew, it's >> > more likely a tweet >> > would say, "I have a dream that my children 1 day >> > won't be judged by their >> > skin >> > color but by the content of their character." >> >> Oh, yes, number homophones. Writing 1 for one. I'm actually in the process >> right now (well, obviously not as I type this) creating a terminology >> revision game for my AS English Language students and they need to >> know 'number >> and letter homophones' regarding electronic texts. :) >> >> Yes, for part of their exam next month, they'll be given two texts to >> analyse and compare in terms of linguistics. They'll get two of the >> following >> three: spoken word transcript, written word text or a transcript of an >> electronic text -- emails, text messaging, instant messaging etc. >> (The second >> part of the exam is on child language acquisition.) >> >> Ellen >> > > To clarify, the only reason I used 1 instead of "one" is fear it would not > fit into the 140 characters. I really hate the "2 u" type stuff people write > normally but here are the occasions I understand it: > > 1. twitter, not able to fit in the space allotted otherwise > 2. a friend is on a blackberry typing on the run and has barely enough time > to write the message, let alone spell everything out -- it is shorthand in > that case. > > But for those who habitually use the numbers when they don't have to, that > is not something I condone particularly and it is not my practice. > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http:// > www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=Aprilfooter427NO62) - --- message truncated --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question - --- On Mon, 4/27/09, birdies@ix.netcom.com wrote: > That is something that becomes very evident in say a > brit-american household and the child picks up american > slang at school and brings it home to Daddy to hear.... It's not just children and it's not just British-American households. I have a soft southerner husband who works for a week oop north and returns home speaking in Geordie to wind me up. ;) The child language acquisition my students are dealing with is how children actually acquire speech after babies are past the cooing and babbling stages and how it develops from there -- they're not looking so much at children acquiring slang one place or the other. However, part of the theories behind CLA do discuss why it's easier for children to pick up accents, dialect, additional languages etc. (I'm thinking of Lenneberg.) > > Then there was the time I was in Texas for two weeks > without my parents, as a 5 year old, and I had a full on > honkin texan accent upon their return. I could not figure > out the strange reason why their faces fell and contorted > when I started talking....until they caught their breath and > exclaimed kinda horrified "she's got a texan > accent!!" But what part of Texas? The state is big, and the accent varies. ;) I don't speak in any sort of British accent. I was too old when I emigrated to pick it up, although I technically speak in British dialect nowadays and write using British spelling and grammar rules. However, I'm pleased to report that most people aren't sure exactly where I'm from in the US, and I'm often mistaken for Canadian, not American. But then I consciously worked to try to tame my Philadelphia accent when I moved to Colorado in 1979. :) (However, I still can 'do' a Philly accent and it often appears when I'm tired.) Back to AS Language terminology bingo creation. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:08:14 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: dumb Twitter question Ok, but one last thing.... Having perfect pitch enables people to all kinds of accents. Tracy Ullman, the comedienne is an example and I would wager that Eddie Murphy has it, too. Dusty Springfield could do any british accent, perfectly. She was a riot. My father could have been the voice of the BBC with his, he had perfect pitch and worked on it. The leading english actors had nothing on him. Whether speaking or singing, he sounded as good as the best chocolate toffee tastes... So, I have picky ears for a very real reason. I also own an african grey parrot witha huge vocab, and they start off making noises and babbling just like humans...and she knows what her words mean, and uses them to get me to do things - turn on lights, play music, get her some apple and so on and on.... Have a great week On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Ellen Rawson wrote: > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, birdies@ix.netcom.com > wrote: > > >> That is something that becomes very evident in say a >> brit-american household and the child picks up american >> slang at school and brings it home to Daddy to hear.... > > It's not just children and it's not just British-American > households. I have a soft southerner husband who works for a week > oop north and returns home speaking in Geordie to wind me up. ;) > > The child language acquisition my students are dealing with is how > children actually acquire speech after babies are past the cooing > and babbling stages and how it develops from there -- they're not > looking so much at children acquiring slang one place or the other. > However, part of the theories behind CLA do discuss why it's easier > for children to pick up accents, dialect, additional languages etc. > (I'm thinking of Lenneberg.) > >> >> Then there was the time I was in Texas for two weeks >> without my parents, as a 5 year old, and I had a full on >> honkin texan accent upon their return. I could not figure >> out the strange reason why their faces fell and contorted >> when I started talking....until they caught their breath and >> exclaimed kinda horrified "she's got a texan >> accent!!" > > But what part of Texas? The state is big, and the accent varies. ;) > > I don't speak in any sort of British accent. I was too old when I > emigrated to pick it up, although I technically speak in British > dialect nowadays and write using British spelling and grammar rules. > However, I'm pleased to report that most people aren't sure exactly > where I'm from in the US, and I'm often mistaken for Canadian, not > American. But then I consciously worked to try to tame my > Philadelphia accent when I moved to Colorado in 1979. :) (However, I > still can 'do' a Philly accent and it often appears when I'm tired.) > > Back to AS Language terminology bingo creation. > > Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:35:32 -0700 From: "Onna" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Happy_Rhodes_Song?= Wow Richard, You watched the vid. and that is all you got was my t-shirt and jeans? to quote: "Nice to see that you got dressed up for it." .. General poll here, If you all think this sucks I would consider taking it down. I did this to honour 'Happy' not to bring shame. 3 people asked where they could find her music that night that they loved it. So that is a good thing, more people should be doing her songs and recording them, she is an amazing artist. So, have a blessed day, Onna ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Messum To: ecto Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Nice to see that you got dressed up for it. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Onna To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Happy Rhodes Song Ok, shamelessly I have uploaded a video that a dear friend shot of us last night at the Water Canyon. One of the songs was Happy's "When the Rain Came Down". It is at: http://www.youtube.com/onnasworld I know I don't come anywhere near Happy's talent, but I love this song among many others of hers. I wrote her awhile back and asked permission to sing it or put up a vid. should we get one. She wrote back and said SURE! so here goes. Anyway the little venue was fun and we had alot of great musicians show up to do their shtick..some poets, songwriters and an amazing guitar player, wish I had his chops! THanks for letting me share, Onna http://myspace.com/onnasongs http://www.facebook.com OnnaAddis http://picasaweb.google.com/OnnasImages/OnnasFavoritePaintings http://donnasdreams.tripod.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:09:13 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Er, wasn't your original reply "Aw, thanks"? (Confirming my and the rest of the world's opinion that Americans don't understand irony, or sracasm). I didn't say that it sucked, though -- the performance was just fine. I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any favours. It's all about presentation. Sad but true. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Onna To: ecto Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Wow Richard, You watched the vid. and that is all you got was my t-shirt and jeans? to quote: "Nice to see that you got dressed up for it." .. General poll here, If you all think this sucks I would consider taking it down. I did this to honour 'Happy' not to bring shame. 3 people asked where they could find her music that night that they loved it. So that is a good thing, more people should be doing her songs and recording them, she is an amazing artist. So, have a blessed day, Onna ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Messum To: ecto Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Nice to see that you got dressed up for it. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Onna To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Happy Rhodes Song Ok, shamelessly I have uploaded a video that a dear friend shot of us last night at the Water Canyon. One of the songs was Happy's "When the Rain Came Down". It is at: http://www.youtube.com/onnasworld I know I don't come anywhere near Happy's talent, but I love this song among many others of hers. I wrote her awhile back and asked permission to sing it or put up a vid. should we get one. She wrote back and said SURE! so here goes. Anyway the little venue was fun and we had alot of great musicians show up to do their shtick..some poets, songwriters and an amazing guitar player, wish I had his chops! THanks for letting me share, Onna http://myspace.com/onnasongs http://www.facebook.com OnnaAddis http://picasaweb.google.com/OnnasImages/OnnasFavoritePaintings http://donnasdreams.tripod.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:27:17 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song richard sez: > I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it > looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any > favours. > > It's all about presentation. Sad but true. Um, no. No, it isn't. What does us favors is presenting the work of unknown artists, thereby creating fans. Which clearly Onna did. What does us no favors is needless insulting someone over the way they're comfortable dressing in a performance setting. Some of us are here for the music. Not the look. Not the makeup. Not the clothes. Onna had an audience and made the most of it...and then shared her lovely performance with us. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:13:03 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Burka To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song richard sez: > I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it > looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any > favours. > > It's all about presentation. Sad but true. >Um, no. No, it isn't. It's not sad? Or not true? >What does us favors is presenting the work of unknown artists, thereby creating fans. Which clearly Onna did. I am not arguing this. I am Canada's greatest Happy Rhodes proselytizer, so i will never complain when a new fan discovers her. But that video, which looked, shall i say, casual, is not going to appeal to anyone whose interest in Happy's music is superficial. The music is great, the presentation lacks appeal. The superficial viewer will not be drawn in. >What does us no favors is needless insulting someone over the way they're comfortable dressing in a performance setting. Oh, stop it. Have you ever heard of "making an effort?" I don't go to work unshaven and in the clothes i slept in. It's called professionalism >Some of us are here for the music. Not the look. Not the makeup. Not the clothes. Onna had an audience and made the most of it...and then shared her >lovely performance with us. >jeff Cheers, Jeffrey. I'm here for the music, too, and i enjoyed Onna's video in spite of my concerns. But i can't recall any Happy Rhodes videos on YouTube in which she showed up in sweat pants.... Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song I'm with you, Jeff. A good-faith, sincere effort to expose people to the song-writing talents of Happy Rhodes did not call for a petty, Simon Cowell-type critique. Or a second response attempting to justify the first in terms even more rude. Isn't this a network of friends with common interests? And I happen to agree it's about the music first and foremost. If presentation is "what it's all about" for you, there are always shows like Celine Dion in Las Vegas... Jeffrey Burka wrote: richard sez: > I just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it > looked like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any > favours. > > It's all about presentation. Sad but true. Um, no. No, it isn't. What does us favors is presenting the work of unknown artists, thereby creating fans. Which clearly Onna did. What does us no favors is needless insulting someone over the way they're comfortable dressing in a performance setting. Some of us are here for the music. Not the look. Not the makeup. Not the clothes. Onna had an audience and made the most of it...and then shared her lovely performance with us. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:32:32 -0400 From: "F.J.Fornorn" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song From ectofest 1999, photo by JeffW: http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/3/large/018_15a.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song *laughing my ASS off* "F.J.Fornorn" wrote: From ectofest 1999, photo by JeffW: http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/3/large/018_15a.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:08:05 -0400 From: Aly Fields Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song Did it do you such a disservice, though, that it was necessary to make a snarky remark (one that was not only a personal jibe but one that provided a negative stereotype, too)? I don't normally get in the middle of stuff, but Jeff and Alberto are right - this is about the arts and supporting artists, not image... And Onna is not only trying to put the word out for herself, but for Happy, which (who'd have imagined it) was the original purpose of Ecto. Also, cheers, F.J. - ace pic! NP: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Richard Messum wrote: > Er, wasn't your original reply "Aw, thanks"? (Confirming my and the rest > of the world's opinion that Americans don't understand irony, or sracasm). > > I didn't say that it sucked, though -- the performance was just fine. I > just thought that, performing a Happy Rhodes song wearing what it looked > like you'd just rolled out of bed in, did none of us any favours. > > It's all about presentation. Sad but true. > > Richard > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Onna > To: ecto > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song > > > Wow Richard, You watched the vid. and that is all you got was my t-shirt > and > jeans? to quote: "Nice to see that you got dressed up for it." .. > General poll here, If you all think this sucks I would consider taking it > down. I did this to honour 'Happy' not to bring shame. 3 people asked where > they could find her music that night that they loved it. So that is a good > thing, more people should be doing her songs and recording them, she is an > amazing artist. > So, have a blessed day, > Onna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Messum > To: ecto > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Song > > > Nice to see that you got dressed up for it. > > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Onna > To: ecto@smoe.org > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:40 PM > Subject: Happy Rhodes Song > > > Ok, shamelessly I have uploaded a video that a dear friend shot of us > last > night at the Water Canyon. One of the songs was Happy's "When the Rain > Came > Down". It is at: > http://www.youtube.com/onnasworld > I know I don't come anywhere near Happy's talent, but I love this song > among > many others of hers. > I wrote her awhile back and asked permission to sing it or put up a vid. > should we get one. She wrote back and said SURE! so here goes. > Anyway the little venue was fun and we had alot of great musicians show > up > to > do their shtick..some poets, songwriters and an amazing guitar player, > wish > I > had his chops! > THanks for letting me share, > Onna > http://myspace.com/onnasongs > http://www.facebook.com > OnnaAddis > http://picasaweb.google.com/OnnasImages/OnnasFavoritePaintings > http://donnasdreams.tripod.com > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #114 ***************************