From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #85 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, March 28 2009 Volume 14 : Number 085 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] pandora, now last.fm [mari ] PJ Harvey and John Parish, Fillmore, 26th March [Karen Hester ] RE: Name that tune ["Connell, Michael P \(US SSA\)" ] Re: Name that tune [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: pandora.com [Michael Quinn ] Re: pandora.com [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Tom Proven (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! 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I can't see Hulu videos as I'm outside of the US. I couldn't even see anything on Showtime about 'Dead Like >Me' when it first aired because the Showtime website could tell I wasn't in the US. >Ellen now i hear last.fm will do the same as from next week, only usa, uk, germany will continue to access it for free, all else have to pay 3 euros a month, so for all of us who scrobbled free forever, now they want to charge 'us' for listenin' to 'our own music'!!! read the blog; http://blog.last.fm/2009/03/24/lastfm-radio-announcement i've deleted my account in protest, so have heaps of my friends around the world! - -- "Art Is The Lie That Shows Us The Truth" Pablo Picasso http://lv.raad.tartu.ee:10105/view/index.shtml http://lv.raad.tartu.ee:10201/view/index.shtml http://myspace.com/moondingo http://myspace.com/broomgirl http://radioparadise.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:50 -0400 From: Karen Hester Subject: PJ Harvey and John Parish, Fillmore, 26th March (back in June for US tour; UK, Europe dates mostly sold out) Opener Howe Gelb of Giant Sand used his low voice to do a swampy folk-rock-country Johnny Cash pastiche. I don't mind imitation or prominent influences, but Gelb's ratio of schtick to musicianship was unpleasantly lopsided. Polly Jean's work with Parish has a similarly artificial relationship to folk musics - she uses the blues, soldier ballads and preacher harangues, transformed into artiness, interspersed with whispered poetry and pre-language screeching. Dead children, biblical raving, sex, black-hearted love. This archness isn't bad: I enjoy PJ the art star, and her arty vocals are offset with absolutely adorable dancing, jumping and cute wrist mannerisms. PJ was barefoot and wore the same black dress as on her Leno appearance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTkdJkQr-c, select HQ!) Opening numbers 'Black hearted love' and 'Sixteen, fifteen, fourteen' were excellent - catchy, rocking, complex structures (love the flamenco claps and "there is no laughter in the garden" of 16, 15, 14). 'Leaving California' soars; insane 'Pig will not' has Polly as animal, preacher and stubborn child. She growled "I want your fucking ass" in 'A woman a man walked by', and the audience went wild. They also enjoyed older tracks like 'Civil war correspondent' and 'Taut'. First encore track was old Automatic Dlamini song 'False fire' which was a treat to hear. PJ said she had to twist John's arm to play it, which is nonsense as it's a well practiced part of the set-list :) The slower new songs were less popular with the audience. Maybe there were details that were lost live (fingers crossed). In 'April' she uses a weird old lady voice. 'Chair' has clumsy lyrics (kinda "my lovely dead son Daniel, I'll sit in your chair, woe you are dead, look, I'm sitting in your favorite chair, this is deep and meaningful"). In 'Cracks in the canvas' she questions herself about death, again portentous and clumsy (paraphrasing, "Polly, what happens after death? Polly, what do we do with our misery? Look, a thousand angels outside, oooo.") PJ sung "Pol-leeee" which seemed comical to me since she looked so serious. Great band: John Parish (guitar, banjo), Eric Drew Feldman (ex Captain Beefheart on bass and keyboard), Jean-Marc Butty (drums) and Giovanni Ferrario (guitar). I'm a fan of PJ Harvey's music in the narrow sense (the sounds, instruments) as well as broader (vocals, lyrics, image), and I prefer nearly all of PJ's solo stuff to her collaboration with Parish in which she only writes the lyrics and vocal line. Moreso than with her own music, Polly's vocals hew to the melody of Parish's instrumentals, copying rather than contrasting. When she discards the guitar melody, she usually speaks or whispers, with a self-importance like Patti Smith as poet, or shrieks and preaches, at last breaking free. Those songs, like 'Taut' and 'Pig will not' are either great fun or overly theatrical and silly. I go with both. k ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:17:13 +0000 From: Greg Blair Subject: Name that tune I heard this snippet of a song on the radio at work, and the lyrics struck me as so weird that I had to write them down. Does anyone know what this is and who sang it? Sung in a deep, male, southern rock style voice: "I'm a big baby, yeah, Dolphins make me cry" Anyone? Anyone? (Oh crap, I've got Ben Stein-itis!) - - Gregor _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:25:04 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P \(US SSA\)" Subject: RE: Name that tune > Sung in a deep, male, southern rock style voice: > "I'm a big baby, yeah, > Dolphins make me cry" Hootie & The Blowfish, Only Wanna Be With You from their Cracked Rear View CD - - Mike NP - Hootie & The Blowfish, Cracked Rear View ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:54:01 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Name that tune That would be Hootie & The Blowhards, er Blowfish song "I Only Want To Be With You." Sorry to anyone who's a fan but i cannot abide that group, i only know the lyric because a local radio station (which i have since abandoned) would play them all the time. And is there any stupider lyric in all of music than their "every time i look at you, i go blind"? Shudder. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Blair To: ecto@smoe.org ; ecto-digest@smoe.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Name that tune I heard this snippet of a song on the radio at work, and the lyrics struck me as so weird that I had to write them down. Does anyone know what this is and who sang it? Sung in a deep, male, southern rock style voice: "I'm a big baby, yeah, Dolphins make me cry" Anyone? Anyone? (Oh crap, I've got Ben Stein-itis!) - - Gregor _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:54:01 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Name that tune Hi, Re: Hootie's Blowhards: how about "Every time you look at me, my clock stops." Frank Zappa hated (what's his name's) "I am in you!" and titled a song, "I have been in you". Bye, Kerry KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:44:45 -0400 From: Michael Quinn Subject: Re: pandora.com Thanks for that info, Jessica. I did try to use a proxy server to access Pandora back when they first put the block in place but found all of the proxy addresses I tried either didn't work at all or lagged terribly and disconnected you every couple of minutes. Eventually I just gave up but maybe I will give it another try now. I did used to discover some cool new music through Pandora and really miss it for that. They have some good extremely obscure music in their collection that I likely never would have ran across anywhere else and it's also great for exploring genres you're curious about but not very familiar with. jessica spurling wrote: > Many people share this frustration. There is a way to work around it - > use an http proxy located in the target country (in this case, the > US). You should be able to configure your browser to use a proxy > *only* for pandora.com, and then use one of the available proxies. > > Here is a web page that explains this in some detail. If you are > interested in this, you should read it (And perhaps do some additional > research as well if you have more questions) > http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/howto.htm > > There are some tools available that make it easier by checking the > currently known open proxies and finding one that's performing > adequately. Apparently there's also a paid private proxy service > called IPRental.com. > I don't know anything about it but saw it referenced in a thread > specifically about getting at pandora from outside the US. > > I've never used a proxy for this purpose myself, but I've run http > proxy servers for my office so I'm aware of the possibility. > > --jessica > > Michael Quinn wrote: >> Y > >> eah, >> >> If you're outside the US it will block your IP. It's a shame because >> I used to really like Pandora but have no way to listen to it now. It >> used to be that if you just told a little white lie when signing up >> and said you were from the US it would let you listen but about a >> year ago they put that IP blocker in. >> >> They posted something on the site saying they didn't want to do it >> but couldn't negotiate anything to let them broadcast legally in >> other countries (I guess money was the issue). It sucks for people >> outside the US like me who used to enjoy the site though. >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul Schreiber wrote: >>> Sarah wrote: >>> >>> >>>> As I understand it, it wasn't always that way. They got hit with a >>>> bunch of copyright issues a year or so ago. I honestly thought they >>>> were going to have to close, but it seems they didn't... >>>> >>> >>> You're conflating two issues here. >>> >>> (1) Pandora isn't available outside of the US because they're been >>> unable to negotiate satisfactory terms with the appropriate >>> licensing collectives/PROs/etc. >>> >>> (2) About a year ago, inside the US, the royalty rates for >>> webcasters were set to increase markedly. After much protest and >>> lobbying, this was fixed, either through legislation or private >>> negotiation (I can't remember which). >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> shad 96c / uw cs 2001 >>> fan of / ewb / eff / aclu / cc / mac os x / toyota prius / habs >>> / friday night lights / v. mars / steve poltz / libbie schrader >>> >>> "Poisoning the water because it won't flow in the direction one >>> wants it to flow is misguided. Water will flow to the place >>> defined by gravity and there's no court of man's law that will >>> change that course." -- Rafael O. Quezada, to Pho >>> >>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type >>> application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:34:30 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: pandora.com Just a heads up Obama's adminstration is backing the RIAA, and the RIAA wants to get rid of free streaming sites.....so, expect more filters, lawsuits, and places to shut down. Last I heard, Imeem is going under. I'm kinda keen on CD's and vinyl, myself....and college radio. the business is realllly getting killed off now.... On Mar 27, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Michael Quinn wrote: > Thanks for that info, Jessica. I did try to use a proxy server to > access Pandora back when they first put the block in place but found > all of the proxy addresses I tried either didn't work at all or > lagged terribly and disconnected you every couple of minutes. > Eventually I just gave up but maybe I will give it another try now. > I did used to discover some cool new music through Pandora and > really miss it for that. They have some good extremely obscure music > in their collection that I likely never would have ran across > anywhere else and it's also great for exploring genres you're > curious about but not very familiar with. > > > > > jessica spurling wrote: >> Many people share this frustration. There is a way to work around >> it - use an http proxy located in the target country (in this case, >> the US). You should be able to configure your browser to use a >> proxy *only* for pandora.com, and then use one of the available >> proxies. >> >> Here is a web page that explains this in some detail. If you are >> interested in this, you should read it (And perhaps do some >> additional research as well if you have more questions) http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/howto.htm >> >> There are some tools available that make it easier by checking the >> currently known open proxies and finding one that's performing >> adequately. Apparently there's also a paid private proxy service >> called IPRental.com. >> I don't know anything about it but saw it referenced in a thread >> specifically about getting at pandora from outside the US. >> >> I've never used a proxy for this purpose myself, but I've run http >> proxy servers for my office so I'm aware of the possibility. >> >> --jessica >> >> Michael Quinn wrote: >>> Y >> >>> eah, >>> >>> If you're outside the US it will block your IP. It's a shame >>> because I used to really like Pandora but have no way to listen to >>> it now. It used to be that if you just told a little white lie >>> when signing up and said you were from the US it would let you >>> listen but about a year ago they put that IP blocker in. >>> >>> They posted something on the site saying they didn't want to do it >>> but couldn't negotiate anything to let them broadcast legally in >>> other countries (I guess money was the issue). It sucks for people >>> outside the US like me who used to enjoy the site though. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Schreiber wrote: >>>> Sarah wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> As I understand it, it wasn't always that way. They got hit with a >>>>> bunch of copyright issues a year or so ago. I honestly thought >>>>> they >>>>> were going to have to close, but it seems they didn't... >>>>> >>>> >>>> You're conflating two issues here. >>>> >>>> (1) Pandora isn't available outside of the US because they're >>>> been unable to negotiate satisfactory terms with the appropriate >>>> licensing collectives/PROs/etc. >>>> >>>> (2) About a year ago, inside the US, the royalty rates for >>>> webcasters were set to increase markedly. After much protest and >>>> lobbying, this was fixed, either through legislation or private >>>> negotiation (I can't remember which). >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> shad 96c / uw cs 2001 >>>> fan of / ewb / eff / aclu / cc / mac os x / toyota prius / habs >>>> / friday night lights / v. mars / steve poltz / libbie >>>> schrader >>>> >>>> "Poisoning the water because it won't flow in the direction one >>>> wants it to flow is misguided. Water will flow to the place >>>> defined by gravity and there's no court of man's law that will >>>> change that course." -- Rafael O. Quezada, to Pho >>>> >>>> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7- >>>> signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #85 **************************