From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #68 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, March 11 2009 Volume 14 : Number 068 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Music on TV [=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Elin_Bekkebr=E5ten_Sj=F8lie?= ] That Tolkien quote [Ellen Rawson ] Re: That Tolkien quote [Andrew Fries ] Torchwood, theatre, wandering ever off-topic [Adam Kimmel ] Re: Ironic [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Ironic [Ellen Rawson ] Re: Torchwood, theatre, wandering ever off-topic [Jon Wesley Huff ] Re: Ironic [birdie ] Re: ditty bops, van dyke parks and dan hicks and his hot licks. [breinhei] Re: Torchwood, theatre, wandering ever off-topic [Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Music on TV Re: the quote "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." (Tolkien) Richard Messum skrev, 10. mars 2009 00:19: > I don't doubt you, Ellen, i just find it an extraordinary statement. > > "Just books." > > All those years i spent studying EngLit, wasted on mere books ;o) I guess I'm pretty much wasting my life on "just books". ;-D I'm a librarian... Elin - -- http://lunacia.net/ http://photos.lunacia.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:02:14 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Music on TV Hi, Re: JRRT. At least it was probably off the cuff to an interviewer and not something he wrote down after giving it a lot of thought. Bye, Kerry np: Bedazzled. Drimbel Wedge and the Vegitations KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Music on TV canadian/US - --- On Tue, 3/10/09, birdie wrote: > YouTube is going to get more popular than ever. Except in the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7933565.stm Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: That Tolkien quote Humour, folks. Think humour. ;) I am a lecturer of English Language and English Literature myself, after all. Currently, I'm in my 26th year of teaching English (in two countries), and, yes, I have the requisite degrees to support such work. :) Right now, I teach AS (first year of A level) Literature (two classes); AS English Language; A2 (second year of A level) English Language; A2 English Language and Literature (two classes of the combined course) and GCSE English Language for the students who didn't earn the minimum C grade at school required for further education. This week, I'm working with Chaucer's 'The Merchant's Tale' in Lang/Lit; child language acquisition in AS Lang; accents and dialects of Britain in A2 Lang; David Mamet's 'Oleanna' in AS Lit and poetry from other cultures in GCSE English. When Alanis Morrisette's 'Ironic' was released, I used it as an example of what wasn't irony. ;) Ellen "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:35:59 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: That Tolkien quote Ellen Rawson wrote: > When Alanis Morrisette's 'Ironic' was released, I used it as an > example of what wasn't irony. ;) Lacking the requisite degrees perhaps, I find I'm able to enjoy 'Ironic' just for a catchy tune it is while leaving the question of 'did she get the definition of irony right?' completely aside? I am also often suprised by the amount of attention this question seemed to receive, given the standard of pop lyrics in general. And having to wade through some of the pre-1100 literature in my school days... frankly, I think Tolkien was full of shit in this instance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:19:22 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: Torchwood, theatre, wandering ever off-topic I wanted to like Torchwood, but saw one episode and never went back. It was a great story (cannabalistic village) but there seemed to be just too many cliches at work, which was a shame. Apart from the usual sexual tension, this crack team of investigators entered the mysterious, sinister village....and separated. They should watch more films. Natch, they got picked off one by one, and it was all resolved by Capt Jack riding to their rescue. Mind you, I'm beginning to falter a bit with Dr Who, as well, and I've been a fan since the very beginning. I know it's sci-fi, but does it have to be so ludicrous and overblown? Meanwhile, Red Riding looks promising and I'm enjoying what I'm seeing of Free Agents (rather dark, bawdy comedy set in a talent agency co-starring Anthony Head), while Skins -- after a disastrous, puerile start -- has still delivered some vintage stuff. Still, it's the US stuff (Mad Men and Dexter) that I watch most regularly. Non-theatre goer Adam K, who is ALSO going to see Madame de Sade in a couple of weeks, having booked the tickets over a bleedin' year ago. Did you see Ivanov, Ellen? What did you think of that? I've also booked to see Anthony Sher in The Tempest at the Richmond, which should be interesting. Adam K ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: Ironic I think it's mostly because your typical pop lyrics don't call attention to themselves or their intent in such an overt manner, as though demanding scrutiny. "Isn't it ironic?" does ask the question, in fact... And I've always been wryly amused at the fact that a song called "Ironic", by including incorrect samples of irony in its lyrics, becomes in itself an example of irony. :D - -----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Fries >Sent: Mar 10, 2009 5:35 AM >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: That Tolkien quote > >Ellen Rawson wrote: > >> When Alanis Morrisette's 'Ironic' was released, I used it as an >> example of what wasn't irony. ;) > >Lacking the requisite degrees perhaps, I find I'm able to enjoy 'Ironic' >just for a catchy tune it is while leaving the question of 'did she get >the definition of irony right?' completely aside? >I am also often suprised by the amount of attention this question seemed >to receive, given the standard of pop lyrics in general. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Ironic Alanis has a funny story abt how an optimistic fan (who so wanted to believe Alanis knew what she was doing) came up to her and was like, "So... the real irony is that none of the examples are actually ironic, right?" And Alanis was like "ummmm.... yeah. Totally." ha ha... I appreciate that she at least acknowledges the liberties she took with language. She was pretty young and I don't think had had that much experience outside the entertainment industry... what I don't get is how none of the people around her called attention to the error. ~tim - ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Dunn To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:44:43 AM Subject: Re: Ironic I think it's mostly because your typical pop lyrics don't call attention to themselves or their intent in such an overt manner, as though demanding scrutiny. "Isn't it ironic?" does ask the question, in fact... And I've always been wryly amused at the fact that a song called "Ironic", by including incorrect samples of irony in its lyrics, becomes in itself an example of irony. :D - -----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Fries >Sent: Mar 10, 2009 5:35 AM >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: That Tolkien quote > >Ellen Rawson wrote: > >> When Alanis Morrisette's 'Ironic' was released, I used it as an >> example of what wasn't irony. ;) > >Lacking the requisite degrees perhaps, I find I'm able to enjoy 'Ironic' >just for a catchy tune it is while leaving the question of 'did she get >the definition of irony right?' completely aside? >I am also often suprised by the amount of attention this question seemed >to receive, given the standard of pop lyrics in general. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Ironic - --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Greg Dunn wrote: > I think it's mostly because your typical pop lyrics > don't call attention to themselves or their intent in > such an overt manner, as though demanding scrutiny. > "Isn't it ironic?" does ask the question, in > fact... Exactly. And when the song was first released, I did have students giving me lines from it as examples of irony. Oh dear. > > And I've always been wryly amused at the fact that a > song called "Ironic", by including incorrect > samples of irony in its lyrics, becomes in itself an example > of irony. :D Yep. The only thing ironic about it is the title. ;) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:17:48 -0500 From: Jon Wesley Huff Subject: Re: Torchwood, theatre, wandering ever off-topic LOL - Adam you happened to watch one of the more reviled episodes of Torchwood! I actually thought it was okay, but you're right about the horror movie cliche there. As far as Doctor Who, I agree about the overblown-ness sometimes. I think (or hope) it'll get better once the new team takes over in 2010. I'd expect the next few specials to be pretty overblown though, as they seem to be that by nature. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Adam Kimmel wrote: > I wanted to like Torchwood, but saw one episode and never went back. It > was a great story (cannabalistic village) but there seemed to be just too > many cliches at work, which was a shame. Apart from the usual sexual > tension, this crack team of investigators entered the mysterious, sinister > village....and separated. They should watch more films. Natch, they got > picked off one by one, and it was all resolved by Capt Jack riding to their > rescue. > > Mind you, I'm beginning to falter a bit with Dr Who, as well, and I've been > a fan since the very beginning. I know it's sci-fi, but does it have to be > so ludicrous and overblown? > > Meanwhile, Red Riding looks promising and I'm enjoying what I'm seeing of > Free Agents (rather dark, bawdy comedy set in a talent agency co-starring > Anthony Head), while Skins -- after a disastrous, puerile start -- has still > delivered some vintage stuff. Still, it's the US stuff (Mad Men and Dexter) > that I watch most regularly. > > Non-theatre goer Adam K, who is ALSO going to see Madame de Sade in a > couple of weeks, having booked the tickets over a bleedin' year ago. Did > you see Ivanov, Ellen? What did you think of that? > > I've also booked to see Anthony Sher in The Tempest at the Richmond, which > should be interesting. > > Adam K > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:19:57 -0400 From: rear admirable Subject: greta gertler in europe gretagertler is currently over in europe now doing a bunch of shows. if you like exquisite piano-based pop and she's playing near you, then i highly recommend that you go check her out! woj - ----- Forwarded message from Greta ----- From: Greta To: Subject: Berlin Mystery House Concert Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:36:28 -0400 Hello and Guten Tag to those whom I've recently met in Berlin. Ich liebe Froschkonig! I would like to invite you to my next show, which will also be occuring in Berlin this SATURDAY, MARCH 14 at 8pm. It is a house concert in a mystery location - please email me if you would like the details as to where it will be... I am sharing the night with ex-New Yorker-now-Berliner singer-songwriter-violinist, Roland Satterwhite (www.myspace.com/benedekband), true blue Kreuzberger, Susanna Berivan (http://www.myspace.com/susannaberivan) on guitar/vocals and Vit Polak on trumpet. I look forward to playing songs from the forthcoming album, "The Universal Thump", plus previous albums such as "Edible Restaurant". Thank you, Greta xo THE UNIVERSAL THUMP TOUR - Upcoming Shows in Berlin, London & Amsterdam: * MONDAY, MARCH 23 12 BAR, LONDON 26 Denmark St WC2H 8NJ Tel: 44 20 72402066 With Adam D Gold (drums) & special guest, Chris Cundy (bass clarinet) - - http://www.myspace.com/christophercundy. With Benjamin Brunel supporting - http://www.myspace.com/benjaminbrunel; followed by Martin Odstrcil (http://martin-odstrcil.com/)(late). Advance Bookings Highly Recommended - Tickets available at: http://www.12barclub.com/ * WEDNESDAY, MARCH 25 SCHOKOLADEN, BERLIN Ackerstr. 169/170 10115 Tel: 030 - 282 65 27 http://www.schokoladen-mitte.de/ Presented by Acoustic Moon; with special guest, Christian Schantz (bass). http://www.myspace.com/acousticmoonclub * THURSDAY, MARCH 26 'SKEK, AMSTERDAM Zeedijk 4 - 8 1012 AX Tel: 020-4270551 http://www.skek.nl Presented by The Amsterdam Songwriters Guild http://amsterdamsongwritersguild.blogspot.com/ * SATURDAY, MARCH 28 DE NIEUWE ANITA, AMSTERDAM Frederik Hendrikstraat 111 www.denieuweanita.nl Double bill with Sonja Van Hamel & Band: http://www.myspace.com/sonjavanhamel - plus Dj Berend Dubbe Theme for the night: Australia! * SUNDAY, MARCH 29 CAFE DE DOELEN, AMSTERDAM Kloveniersburgwal 125, 1011 KC Amsterdam, Netherlands 020 6249023 Presented by The Amsterdam Songwriters Guild http://amsterdamsongwritersguild.blogspot.com/ * MONDAY, MARCH 30 CAFE BELGIQUE, AMSTERDAM Gravenstraat 1012NM Tel: 31 0(20)625-1974 http://www.cafe-belgique.nl/ Please visit for further information: http://www.Myspace.com/gretagertlermusic http://www.GretaGertler.net - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:22:16 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Ironic On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Ellen Rawson wrote: >> > > Yep. The only thing ironic about it is the title. ;) > > Ellen isn't that ironic... Oh, and the bit about youtube and music videos and the UK has been all over my twitterverse today, big story! but i saw it from you first... warner brothers did basically the same thing about a month ago - all WB music vid's got yanked... Vimeo has better quality than youTube, so you may want to wander over there..... amazing time we are living in...so many changes!! the publishing world is going the way of the music business.... just think of all the trees not being cut down! that said, i am sure the squabbles over money w/the new technology aren't over yet.... whether its SAG or the DGA or WGA or IATSE or any of the groups that represent musicians..... it's all new technology vs sustainability issues.... we need healthy functioning business models and now if I could only send my hand off to english class to improve its ability to type post surgery... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:07:22 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: ditty bops, van dyke parks and dan hicks and his hot licks. yay, birdie for that post. as someone who has seen dan many, many times I cannot stress enough how enormously entertaining his shows are. great musicians, great songwriting and a wonderfully dry sense of humor are hard to beat. I was shocked to check my collection and realize that, yes, it's been five years since his last cd "selected shorts" came out. Dan tours most every year but only in california and the northeast. apparently he really dislikes going all the way across the country but does it because he knows that he has a loyal fan base up here. being as he is in his late 60's who knows how many more chances we'll have to see him. my girlfriend and I are going to catch him at the Iron Horse in Northampton, Ma in april. not ecto but great fun for one and all also, coincidentally McCabe's is where dan recorded the shootin' straight album with his 90's band the acoustic warriors. great album though it doesn't show off what a hot live band they were. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Torchwood, theatre, wandering ever off-topic - --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Adam Kimmel wrote: > Non-theatre goer Adam K, who is ALSO going to see Madame de > Sade in a couple of weeks, having booked the tickets over a > bleedin' year ago. Did you see Ivanov, Ellen? What did > you think of that? No, alas. We couldn't afford tickets when they all went on sale and then I forgot. By the time I got around to it, Ivanov was pretty much sold out. I only bought the Madame de Sade tickets in the autumn. > > I've also booked to see Anthony Sher in The Tempest at > the Richmond, which should be interesting. I do want to catch that one, but I may have to do so in Bath over the Easter holidays as we're busy the weekends when it's in Richmond. The reviews have been great, haven't they? Ellen ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #68 **************************