From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #65 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, March 8 2009 Volume 14 : Number 065 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: here they come.../Diana Jones [Ellen Rawson ] Re: here they come... [Ellen Rawson ] Re: ecto-wiki [Marypt51@aol.com] music and tv [=?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= ] Re: ecto-wiki [Greg Dunn ] Re: ecto-wiki [birdie ] Re: ecto-wiki ["Richard Messum" ] Re: music and tv [birdie ] Re: here they come... [Michael Pearce ] Re: here they come... [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: here they come.../Diana Jones - --- On Sat, 3/7/09, w1ggy2 wrote: > Personally, I like the British version of Life on Mars much > better. > The actor playing Gene Hunt is waaay better than Harvey > Keitel. BBC > America is about to start showing a follow up show soon > with another > detective going back in time to the 80's using the same > Hunt character > and actor. That should be interesting. You mean 'Ashes to Ashes'? Although it received weaker reviews (and is a weaker show, though still watchable mostly due to Philip Glenister, the actor who plays Gene Hunt), a second series will start here later this year. You might be interested to know that the detective who travels back in time in 'Ashes' is female. I've not seen the US version of 'Life on Mars'. From everything I've read, I don't want to. On music... Last night, we went to Winchester (much closer to home than London) to see Diana Jones perform. Solo show, only Diana on stage, no opening act. She played for about 1-3/4 hours, and it was a lovely, if short, night. The Tower Arts Centre is small -- maybe holds 200 people max, so it seemed rather intimate, and Jones stepped offstage for her encore, standing right in front of us, unplugging her acoustic guitar and singing without a microphone. She's definitely alt.country/Americana, but she's the genuine article. Folks in Britain might have seen her on the recently aired BBC4 Americana night at the Barbican, presented by Seasick Steve. We first saw her a couple of years ago opening for Richard Thompson and were duly impressed. I wonder, though, if she's like Devon Sproule, who's seems to be better known in the UK than her native US. I'm not sure. I know that Sproule has said (in a quick chat after a gig in Reading) that the British media has been very receptive to her and that she does seem more popular over here. She made the cover of Froots, had a feature in the Guardian, was then invited to play on Jools Holland etc. Interesting how well these Americana acts play on this side of the pond. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: here they come... I just read today's on-line NY Times review of 'Ashes to Ashes'. Already, there's a more positive review of the show in the US than the reviews I remember reading over here. The Guardian was far more scathing, or, as Sam Wollaston said, "Ashes to Ashes looks great, but it forgot one crucial thing: a plot." Oh well. May it fare well in the US. Ellen "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:29:33 EST From: Marypt51@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-wiki To the people concerned about viruses and such, I have found Noscript to be a helpful add-on for the Firefox browser in both the windows and mac platform. If I don't trust a site, I'd want to run Firefox over Internet Explorer, particularly with Noscript installed. You can later remove noscript if you don't like it. It allows you to control which scripts will run on a page you visit so you can see the different ad scripts and such on the pages. Some pages may not work as well with noscript, so in those instances, I switch over to Internet Explorer or Safari after I've checked out what's going on in the page with Noscript. www.noscript.net is the website for them and they are added by launching your firefox browser and adding it as an add-on at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722 or whichever add-on page is for your platform (mac or windows). As for buying a computer, Apple has pretty good technical support if you want to spend $300 for 3 years of phone support (not sure if it's just 90 days free if you don't pay for the extended warranty or a year. On the other hand, you probably get fairly good support from HP for one year free, so check out the details on tech support before starting with your first computer -- call the company and ask if need be). On the other hand, any mac is going to cost a lot more than a windows computer; you will probably get more for the money with windows, along with certain risks from the constant barrage of keyloggers and viruses in windows. I don't like doing any financial internet access with a windows computer because of all the keylogging software, for instance, and I don't trust antivirus to find all of it since antiviruses are always trying to catch up. It would seem to me that once a keylogger has been found in an antivirus package, it's already done some damage by then. A trivia detail - I think Mac did not use the Unix platform until OS X, but I may be just getting confused by a comment I read on the list about hauling down the unix highway on a mac in the 1980s. Like many on this list, I started with DOS in the 1980s and later windows 3.1, win95, through win XP, got my first Mac in the early 1990s with OS 7, still use Mac and Windows both, but I don't think I was using Mac as early as the 1980s so I wasn't pioneering in that platform like many here may have been. > > ************** Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:47:38 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= Subject: music and tv Hi.. birdie wrote "can led zep songs on CSI be far behind? " um no..the who's "who are you" is already the theme song. And has always been. the first "House" episode used rolling stones. but since then a lot of shows have used both classic songs and small indie band's music. For better or worse. on "Life" I spotted Cat Power..is she an indie artist now or not? I suspect there's all sorts of bad things about being indie and letting major networks access your stuff. But maybe there can be good things that come from it too. I just hope "Dollhouse" fares better than poor "Firefly" did. Anna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:45:37 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Brazz Tree's first music video I really love this video; it's of their song "In a Hole," which calls to mind (at least in my mind) Shai nO Shai. Have a look: http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi0_gnG7cJE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:11:12 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: ecto-wiki >To the people concerned about viruses and such, I have found Noscript to be a >helpful add-on for the Firefox browser in both the windows and mac platform. >If I don't trust a site, I'd want to run Firefox over Internet Explorer, >particularly with Noscript installed. You can later remove noscript >if you don't >like it. It allows you to control which scripts will run on a page >you visit so >you can see the different ad scripts and such on the pages. Some pages may not >work as well with noscript, so in those instances, I switch over to Internet >Explorer or Safari after I've checked out what's going on in the page with >Noscript. I heartily recommend NoScript for both platforms; it can get a bit technical when you try to decide what scripts are necessary to get the site to display correctly, but it does offer you complete control. >As for buying a computer, Apple has pretty good technical support if you want >to spend $300 for 3 years of phone support (not sure if it's just 90 days >free if you don't pay for the extended warranty or a year. On the >other hand, you >probably get fairly good support from HP for one year free, so check out the >details on tech support before starting with your first computer -- call the >company and ask if need be). On the other hand, any mac is going to cost a lot >more than a windows computer; you will probably get more for the money with >windows, I recommend the tech support options as well. We've occasionally had a piece fail, and it's reassuring to know that a fix is often as quick as dropping into the Apple store. We've owned a LOT of Macs over the years, and have rarely had to make use of it, but it's a lifesaver when it happens. I bought a used machine from a friend, still under extended warranty, and the dual CPU module failed - I've never seen this happen before or since. Apple took it in, installed a new module (over $1000 parts + labor), and returned it, in a week, for free. My daughter's laptop power supply died, and they handed us a new one over the counter. I won't get into the comparative value estimates, but I think it depends heavily on how well the computer does what you need it to. A friend of mine does pro video and uses Windows, but he also has a Video Toaster installed ($$$) and can do some impressive realtime effects. I've never needed more than Final Cut Express on my Mac, and it's way cheaper. Another friend put together his broadcast-quality promo on his 10-year-old Mac with only Quicktime and a FireWire camera. His $500 computer earned him more money than my Mac and my friend's Windows machine cost in a single effort. It's up to you and your needs. You just surf the net and burn discs? A PC will be cheaper, but less secure. Need live video compositing and nested realtime effects? You're gonna need expensive hardware in addition to the computer. >A trivia detail - I think Mac did not use the Unix platform until OS X, but I >may be just getting confused by a comment I read on the list about hauling >down the unix highway on a mac in the 1980s. Like many on this list, I started >with DOS in the 1980s and later windows 3.1, win95, through win XP, got my >first Mac in the early 1990s with OS 7, still use Mac and Windows both, but I >don't think I was using Mac as early as the 1980s so I wasn't >pioneering in that >platform like many here may have been. True. But OS X did use 20+ years of development on the BSD and Mach code to their advantage when they put the package together, which is why I feel it was very mature right out of the box. Most of the Mac development has been focused on the UI and peripheral support. OS X is essentially a custom shell over a stable and reliable operating system. And at the risk of being redundant, I won't think anyone would seriously recommend using pre-OS X these days, as the support is almost nonexistent. :-) - -- - -- | Greg Dunn | If there's no soul in the music, | | gregdunn@indy.net | it's because no one put it there | | The Sultan of Slack(tm) | - the tools aren't to blame. | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Bjork | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:05:09 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: ecto-wiki The internet was and still is unix based if you were on the internet in the 80's, you would have been using keyboard commands, typing code, and only seeing text and characters... No graphics And so I did on a Mac. Then, I installed a 3rd party GUI on my (internet) unix shell account, whilce using my wee Mac Classic. Never mind. > > >> A trivia detail - I think Mac did not use the Unix platform until >> OS X, but I >> may be just getting confused by a comment I read on the list about >> hauling >> down the unix highway on a mac in the 1980s. Like many on this >> list, I started >> with DOS in the 1980s and later windows 3.1, win95, through win XP, >> got my >> first Mac in the early 1990s with OS 7, still use Mac and Windows >> both, but I >> don't think I was using Mac as early as the 1980s so I wasn't >> pioneering in that >> platform like many here may have been. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:08:49 -0500 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: ecto-wiki I use NoScript, too -- and in fact wouldn't be without it. It can be a pain sometimes having to click "allow" or "deny" whenever you vivit a site for the first time, but considering the alternative i thinks it's worthwhile. Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marypt51@aol.com To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: Re: ecto-wiki To the people concerned about viruses and such, I have found Noscript to be a helpful add-on for the Firefox browser in both the windows and mac platform. If I don't trust a site, I'd want to run Firefox over Internet Explorer, particularly with Noscript installed. You can later remove noscript if you don't like it. It allows you to control which scripts will run on a page you visit so you can see the different ad scripts and such on the pages. Some pages may not work as well with noscript, so in those instances, I switch over to Internet Explorer or Safari after I've checked out what's going on in the page with Noscript. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:17:32 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: music and tv I dont think led zep has licensed anything for TV - fully aware of The Who song on CSI. That was groundbreaking at the time....they've also used Kate Bush songs.... Cold Case has been at the forefront for using classic songs, since forever. Point is that many acts that were retired or semi retired, lost their $ $ in the stock crash. hello, here they come....willing to license songs for less $ and to TV shows. and then you've got the silly nits like michael jackson and elton john that just are spendaholics and play that whole pop star I'm a king of the world game, which...needless to say, since the music biz has been imploding on top of the stockmarket crash is looking more like a game of the emperor has no clothes... Point was and is.....expect more classic acts to be hungry, lowering fees, working in small clubs, getting out of the house, letting their songs be used for TV shows and so on. That was the whole point. On Mar 7, 2009, at 7:47 AM, anna maria stjdrnell wrote: > Hi.. > birdie wrote "can led zep songs on CSI be far behind? " > um no..the who's "who are you" is already the theme song. And has > always been. the first "House" episode used rolling stones. but > since then a lot of shows have used both classic songs and small > indie band's music. For better or worse. on "Life" I spotted Cat > Power..is she an indie artist now or not? I suspect there's all > sorts of bad things about being indie and letting major networks > access your stuff. But maybe there can be good things that come from > it too. > > I just hope "Dollhouse" fares better than poor "Firefly" did. > Anna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:44:35 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: here they come... At 1:55 AM -0500 3/7/09, ecto-digest wrote: w1ggy2 writes: > Personally, I like the British version of Life on Mars much better. I liked it a lot, but I also like the US version. They changed it enough, and used sufficiently interesting actors, that it can stand alone on its own merits. The same thing happened with The Office - there was no way to write an American version without basing it on U.S. office and cubicle life, which is sufficiently different from the U.K. that a direct port of the BBC version would not have worked as well. It is really sad that the program has been cancelled. They were just setting it up for a long run. Unlike the original version, the character could have stayed in 1973 indefinitely without depending on keeping his 2008 body alive. I also thought it was really cool when our hero ran into another time traveler. Oh, and I have serious lust for Gretchen Mol. I am looking forward to seeing the 1980s spinoff. Meanwhile, I have been seeing a couple of pirated shows from Britain: White Chapel, a dark 3-part miniseries about a modern-day Jack the Ripper, and Being Human, an alternate universe where vampires and werewolves and the like are trying to be mainstream (and doing it without any TrueBlood). Neither is terribly Ecto, though. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:58:20 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: here they come... If we go on strike here (SAG and IATSE) the gaps can get filled in with brit shows I'm thinking of going to work for greenpeace or something and voting to strike ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #65 **************************