From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #53 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, February 25 2009 Volume 14 : Number 053 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] soundtracking [cy ] Re: soundtracking [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Michael Curry (mcurry@io.com) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Mark Bianchino Wed February 26 1964 Pisces Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Marius Voina Mon March 03 1980 Pisces Peter Clark Thu March 04 1948 Pedestrian Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. 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I'm a member of taxi, a clearinghouse type service, movies and tv shows contact them and they list the need "portishead sounding dreamy electronica with female vocals needed for tv show, song about losing your heart"...and then screen the artists down from thousands to 10 or so to pass along.....but the prices offered in listings are like "8 short songs needed, B-side catalog, will pay around $2K"...so with 2 cds with Azigza, 6 cds with Land of the Blind and 2 with Druid Sisters Tea Party, I have a big catalog but if I think how each album cost me around $2-$4K in the studio and pressing and you end up selling a song to tv for 8 divided by $2K then you have sold your song for $280.....of course, you have to pay to submit, and pay to be a member, so by the end, you are almost giving the song away but you do it in order for you to have more folks hear your music. hard road for unsigned acts but hey, we all do what we can to advance. sometimes it's rather fun to send in such ecto off to the left stuff to a major straight company....you never know, some music suipervisers are pretty hip musically these days. my thoughts Cyoakha com wrote: > > This is an interesting take on the economy and the music industry. I > > wonder if this has been discussed yet in music business publications, > > > > In a message dated 2/23/09 4:18:05 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >> So, what is going on is that established artists who would not let sync > >> rights go for less than $130,000 have dropped prices down to $50,000.... > >> > >> Most unsigned indie artists let things go for $1,000 - $10,000 >a http://www.landoftheblind.com/ ordering BLIND's CDs direct/Gig Listings http://www.myspace.com/landoftheblind samples new CD: Shamans of Sound http://www.faeriefotos.com Cyoakha's new faerie photography calendar 09 http://youtube.com/user/cyo2cyo blind videos, Peace Concert/ & Burning Man ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:56:00 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: soundtracking cy wrote: >Birdie >wow, never heard of those prices for unsigned artists myself. I'm a >member of taxi, a clearinghouse type service, movies and tv shows >contact them and they list the need "portishead sounding dreamy >electronica with female vocals needed for tv show, song about losing >your heart"... > When you read things like that it's cos they don't want to pay Portished whatever their fee is...so they want a cheap copy cat. Copy cats are generally peeps who will never get past being an opening act or they'd be best in a tribute band and they live for hype hype hype hype. It's all about BS image. Of course, if you are in your 30's and running around trying to come off as a Jonas Brother...ah....let's just say some people will go to embarrassing lengths to try to be copy cats. Amazing how desperate people can get... Cheap producers love to exploit them. Sometimes people from the original acts exploit them too....how flattering to have wanna be fans...and that keep an image going that died years ago, still going. So, they get pimped, sometimes, by original acts. Of course, this is all the seedy under belly of hollywood - the place where peeps come from all over the world to gold dig. When you are from here, it's like watching tourists flood in.....and, lots of them get exploited and used. Original established artists - won't brown nose cheap producers for a living. Why should they. They shouldn't. But the ceiling has to come down to meet what is actually affordable. Original non copy cat artists should seriously promote themselves to music supervisors. TV producers need to overhaul and change the way they do business. It's really not going to be funny if the key people making a living off TV are hacks that crank out sound-a-like songs... There is a complete wealth of fabulous original talent out there...like yourself....they would do everyone a favor by listening to... Whoever can be successful at taking chances on new talent, could be the next great thing. It's just that the bean counters have been running things and they know the Beatles sold a ton of records so Beatles sound-a-likes are big....they think they come with some pre-sold insurance policy. It's a chicken sh^t stuck in a rut way to run things.....the same principle that made the music industry to start imploding in the first place.... So this is another area where it is gonna start imploding but in a different way.... The record industry's last stranglehold is on TV. NBC owns Universal Records/Music. So, artists signed to one of the hundreds of labels under the universal umbrella, get a crack at The Jay Leno show, etc..... But haha...... That is falling down as SO many great artists are going totally indie....and you can get millions of views on youtube...or sell your own DVD's. The WGA strike forced the producers to run reality shows all the time - people didn't come back to TV after that....reality tv shows drove them away....and now, that may happen all over again, plus the digital conversion.... TV is going to be forced into giving up their old tactics. >and then screen the artists down from thousands to 10 >or so to pass along.....but the prices offered in listings are like >"8 short songs needed, B-side catalog, will pay around $2K"...so with >2 cds with Azigza, 6 cds with Land of the Blind and 2 with Druid >Sisters Tea Party, I have a big catalog but if I think how each album >cost me around $2-$4K in the studio and pressing and you end up >selling a song to tv for 8 divided by $2K then you have sold your >song for $280.....of course, you have to pay to submit, and pay to be >a member, so by the end, you are almost giving the song away but you >do it in order for you to have more folks hear your music. hard road >for unsigned acts but hey, we all do what we can to advance. >sometimes it's rather fun to send in such ecto off to the left stuff >to a major straight company....you never know, some music >suipervisers are pretty hip musically these days. > > It's good for them to hear it, and hopefully you'll recoup some more on the publishig down the road...pick up some new fans....and so on, but you may be better off making a DVD and selling it. Most people are watching things on their computers now - not TV. Anyway, looking forward to TV imploding more in the sense that Leno et al need to start booking acts that arent signed to major labels... Carson Daly is great....but Leno is still very old school that way.... Trying to get on a TV show these days may be like trying to book yourself on the titanic.....with a bunch of Beatles or Jonas Brother or Britney wanna-be's.... Eh, Hollywood..... Best advice is keep it real, stick to your fanbase, be yourself, follow your heart - etc >my thoughts >Cyoakha > >com wrote: > > > >>>This is an interesting take on the economy and the music industry. I >>>wonder if this has been discussed yet in music business publications, >>> >>> >> >> >>>In a message dated 2/23/09 4:18:05 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: >>> >>> >>>>So, what is going on is that established artists who would not let sync >>>>rights go for less than $130,000 have dropped prices down to $50,000.... >>>> >>>>Most unsigned indie artists let things go for $1,000 - $10,000 >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> > > >http://www.landoftheblind.com/ ordering BLIND's CDs direct/Gig Listings >http://www.myspace.com/landoftheblind samples new CD: Shamans of Sound >http://www.faeriefotos.com Cyoakha's new faerie photography calendar 09 >http://youtube.com/user/cyo2cyo blind videos, Peace Concert/ & Burning Man ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #53 **************************