From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #52 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, February 24 2009 Volume 14 : Number 052 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: soundtracking [birdie ] Re: soundtracking [Marypt51@aol.com] Re: soundtracking [birdie ] Re: soundtracking ["Onna" ] preview of Neko Case's upcoming release [birdie ] Re: soundtracking [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Teresa Ross (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Mark Bianchino Wed February 26 1964 Pisces Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Marius Voina Mon March 03 1980 Pisces Peter Clark Thu March 04 1948 Pedestrian Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. 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So, what is going on is that established artists who would not let sync rights go for less than $130,000 have dropped prices down to $50,000.... Most unsigned indie artists let things go for $1,000 - $10,000 Successful signed indie artists like Feist about $30,000 before she had a huge hit with 1234 - Once you have a bonafide hit $100,000 plus and up club you went..... anyway... that's the downturn.... More original established talent are lowering their fees and you will be hearing more and more classic songs and higher quality.... You know - songs recorded 24 analog in major studios - serious talent & ear candy - compared to garage band in a bedroom.... I am realllly hoping they'll come down out of the hills and start playing some of the smaller clubs around town.... A good number of artists will be forced out of retirement.... So....this could get verrrrrry interesting. Birdie jjhanson@att.net wrote: >I was surprised to hear a great older song on a TV show just this past >week (or was it two weeks ago?)--used to great effect. It was on "The Ghost Whisperer" of all shows, and they used Shakespeare's Sister "Stay" to great effect. Odd thing was I'd just been listening to that CD. So often the music you hear is brand new stuff--was surprised to hear a fairly old song on a brand new show. > >Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:26:01 EST From: Marypt51@aol.com Subject: Re: soundtracking This is an interesting take on the economy and the music industry. I wonder if this has been discussed yet in music business publications, but at any rate, thanks for the post on this subject, Birdie. You should have a column somewhere because you have some good info and insights. Mary In a message dated 2/23/09 4:18:05 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: > we will start hearing more of the original real deal artists on > commericals (mick jagger/stones was just on a commerical) TV/Film as > .....lots and lots of those people lost 1/3 to 1/2 of their projected > earnings due to losses on the stockmarket - or their 401k plans - etc... > > So, what is going on is that established artists who would not let sync > rights go for less than $130,000 have dropped prices down to $50,000.... > > Most unsigned indie artists let things go for $1,000 - $10,000 > > Successful signed indie artists like Feist about $30,000 before she had > a huge hit with 1234 - > > Once you have a bonafide hit $100,000 plus and up club you went..... > > anyway... > > that's the downturn.... > > More original established talent are lowering their fees and you will be > hearing more and more classic songs and higher quality.... > > You know - songs recorded 24 analog in major studios - serious talent & > ear candy - compared to garage band in a bedroom.... > > I am realllly hoping they'll come down out of the hills and start > playing some of the smaller clubs around town.... > > A good number of artists will be forced out of retirement.... > > So....this could get verrrrrry interesting. > > Birdie > > > ************** You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:20:08 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: soundtracking Marypt51@aol.com wrote: > This is an interesting take on the economy and the music industry. I > wonder if this has been discussed yet in music business publications, I wouldn't think so - it takes time for deals to be made and shows to be produced, and once they are produced - say by the summer and later - you'll simply start hearing more and more vintage out there, And then, someone may write about it - but - haha as most publications are trying to keep from going under (follow themediaisdying on twitter and get the daily reports) - you'll stand a better chance reading about it online somewhere.... "but at any rate, thanks for the post on this subject, Birdie. You should have a column somewhere because you have some good info and insights." Thanks but no thanks! When my wrist is better and I can return to work, I won't be writing any columns or probably even much online, Cheers Birdie > > In a message dated 2/23/09 4:18:05 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:01:08 -0800 From: "Onna" Subject: Re: soundtracking Hi I am new here. This is a great subject of interest. And, yes I think alot of people would prefer to stay afloat at a lower rate than face a chapter 13 or such. Alot of us have ridden the pink-cloud for a time and lived lavishly. For some of my friends it is so hard to change the spending. But most of my closer friends think like I do...the more sh** you have the more you have to dust. But, I really feel for the ones taken by Madoff..as well as the market. Thank God we don't have to compromise our best work to match the Gold Standard...lol...oil standard. We will still be giving 100%!! right? Onna http://myspace.com/onnasongs early1980 recordings&new music videos of the concert http://picasaweb.google.com/OnnasImages/OnnasFavoritePaintings http://donnasdreams.tripod.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:26 AM Subject: Re: soundtracking > This is an interesting take on the economy and the music industry. I > wonder > if this has been discussed yet in music business publications, but at any > rate, > thanks for the post on this subject, Birdie. You should have a column > somewhere because you have some good info and insights. > > Mary > > > In a message dated 2/23/09 4:18:05 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >> we will start hearing more of the original real deal artists on >> commericals (mick jagger/stones was just on a commerical) TV/Film as >> .....lots and lots of those people lost 1/3 to 1/2 of their projected >> earnings due to losses on the stockmarket - or their 401k plans - etc... >> >> So, what is going on is that established artists who would not let sync >> rights go for less than $130,000 have dropped prices down to $50,000.... >> >> Most unsigned indie artists let things go for $1,000 - $10,000 >> >> Successful signed indie artists like Feist about $30,000 before she had >> a huge hit with 1234 - >> >> Once you have a bonafide hit $100,000 plus and up club you went..... >> >> anyway... >> >> that's the downturn.... >> >> More original established talent are lowering their fees and you will be >> hearing more and more classic songs and higher quality.... >> >> You know - songs recorded 24 analog in major studios - serious talent & >> ear candy - compared to garage band in a bedroom.... >> >> I am realllly hoping they'll come down out of the hills and start >> playing some of the smaller clubs around town.... >> >> A good number of artists will be forced out of retirement.... >> >> So....this could get verrrrrry interesting. >> >> Birdie >> >> >> > > > > > ************** > You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars > updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. > (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:59:27 -0800 From: birdie Subject: preview of Neko Case's upcoming release http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100826714 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:30:08 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: soundtracking Onna wrote: > Hi I am new here. This is a great subject of interest. And, yes I > think alot of people would prefer to stay afloat at a lower rate than > face a chapter 13 or such. Who wants to be broke and unemployed? Especially when producers get off on hiring hacks that crank out copy cat versions of you or your friends songs and give them to TV at a cut rate? That has been looked down upon for years (by artists) and it has helped make TV a wasteland (Paris Hilton reality TV show typically features extremely formulaic generic derivative artists)...... Well.....those ought to be the first to go. Why settle for sloppy 3rds, when you can get the real deal for not too much more? Already we are seeing a spike in quality acts getting their music on TV shows. So, me thinks there is more than one silver lining to this downturn. Music Supervisors have a marvelous opportunity to contact amazing artists and negotiate sync/master uses now, as never before. People in post have been getting hip to this the past 2 months and it will get more and more around town.....it's all telephone chat, checking out other peoples work, and a number of peeps work different shows, so.....word gets around. Post people talk to each other. > Alot of us have ridden the pink-cloud for a time and lived lavishly. > For some of my friends it is so hard to change the spending. Yep, that's the story! but also, people are staring to write and get active again. > But most of my closer friends think like I do...the more sh** you have > the more you have to dust. haha - so true! getting rid of things has been pretty par for the course for awhile for more than a few. > But, I really feel for the ones taken by Madoff..as well as the market. Yep...people did all the right things - muni funds, diversity, et al - lost 1/3 to 1/2 of projected earnings...same with peeps with 401.k's - as for Madoff - there has always been shady investors but that one really takes the cake! > Thank God we don't have to compromise our best work to match the Gold > Standard...lol...oil standard. We will still be giving 100%!! right? Yep, probably 150% to blow the copy cat formula sucking riff ripping generic hacks off the map. Meanwhile, SAG turned down the producers last offer - so - I am assuming that they will be headed towards voting on striking... Reality TV shows are what they do when there is a strike, so, people participating in those are seen as scab labor...so thats the last place for the aforementioned copy cat formula sucking riff ripping generic hacks. Hopefully, the SAG contract will get settled and everyone can get back to making some really good TV....with amazing music. It's turned into such a pit of reality TV shows...and a strike will only drive more people away from the medium. So, it needs an overhaul and to come back with quality. Cheers Birdie > Onna ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #52 **************************