From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #10 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, January 12 2009 Volume 14 : Number 010 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Inga Liljestrom [Neile Graham ] Re: Live artists [Ellen Rawson ] Re: Live artists ["Allison Crowe Music" ] Re: CD quailty ["Karen Hester" ] RE: (sarah slean) ["Amy-Collected Sounds" ] Re: CD quailty [meredith ] Re: CD quailty [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] =?utf-8?B?RXBpcGhhbnkgUHJvamVjdCwg4oCcSGluIERhZ2jigJ0=?= [Craig Gidney ] serious covers (was Re: sarah jane morris) [Jeffrey Burka ] Rebecca Pidgeon online concert appearance [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: Live artists [birdie ] Suki Ewers (of Mazzy Star) solo CD "Kinda Hazy" [birdie ] Re: Richard Thompson's "Oops!" [birdie ] Re: Suki Ewers (of Mazzy Star) solo CD "Kinda Hazy" [morayati@email.unc.] Re: dig that crazy Bongo Beat! ["Allison Crowe Music" ] Re: dig that crazy Bongo Beat! [Steve VanDevender ] Re: dig that crazy Bongo Beat! ["Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Inga Liljestrom JoAnn sent me an update for the Ectophiles' Guide that somehow flew under my radar for a long time--Inga Liljestrom had a new release and a DVD! Well, I finally started paying attention and went looking. I discovered that her label not only has these available (via PayPal on links to my MySpace page at http://www.myspace.com/ ingaingaliljestrom), but also has her first album that Australian friends have been search for on my behalf with no luck. They also have Elk available, but you all already have that, right? If you don't, what are you waiting for? It's a stunner. So a package arrived full of riches. * Urchin, the debut album, isn't as good as Elk, but what is? Maybe Portishead's new album, but not much else. Anyway, it's still quite good and well worth ordering and listening to. * The new limited edition CD, Sprawling Fawns, is really lovely. It's a collection of remixes, collaborations, and new tracks. The remixes are quite different from the original to the point where they almost seem like entirely new songs. With the exception of the two covers, which really don't work for me, I LOVED this almost as much as I love Elk. * I also love the Radjur DVD. You can see samples of the gorgeous videos on her MySpace page. The DVD is really nicely done, and both it and Sprawling Fawns have gorgeous packaging. Great stuff. Bless the internet and all its links to obscure and wonderful music. - --Neile - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - Neile Graham .... neile@sff.net/@zipcon.com ... www.sff.net/people/neile Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal ........ www.sff.net/people/neile/ semaines Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ........... www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ................ www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Live artists - --- On Sun, 1/11/09, birdie wrote: > > Normally. if there has been a hit song on the radio - you > wind up with all kinds of yahoo's who will talk through > the whole show til the hit comes on...or the diehard Dylan > fans will want to hear Mr. Tambourine Man when he's > showcasing his new material or whatever...but....from the > perspective of the bigger arena shows...take Elton John and > so on....they pretty much deliver the song, as expected...if > that is what they expect! I don't attend arena shows. I prefer more intimate venues. > > If the public doesnt like the show - they just stop going > to them, promoters stop promoting them, bookers stop booking > them... Yep. And if all I'm going to get is exactly what's on the CD, why bother forking out the money, spending the cash on petrol/public transport etc.? (We're 90 miles from London. Attending a gig in London is expensive, no matter how cheap the tickets are.) If that's what the general public want, well, it tells me something. My worst live show of 2008? Eliza Carthy in Reading last autumn. It wasn't that she was very pregnant. (The baby, a girl, Florence Daisy, was born on 24 December, btw.) It wasn't that she didn't just play what was on the album nor how she veered away from it. It wasn't that her opening act (her cellist, Barney Morse-Brown, known as Duotone when he's solo ) was a joke. It was the horrible sound at the Reading Concert Hall. Granted, it's a tough hall to work, but this sound and its mix was simply awful. I've seen her before and liked her a lot live; I've never heard her sound that bad. We're trying her again this April at a different venue, one that tends to have, well, more experienced folks working the sound board. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:41:24 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: Live artists Adam, you've raised some important, central, questions/issues that pertain to artists and audiences - especially on a macro scale. Audiences for tribute acts and nostalgia acts may want to hear replication of the hits, but, I'd be surprised if that's what most listeners of less-packaged acts would be keen to experience. Certainly that sounds un-ecto-like. As someone who works 24/7 with artists, on the micro level one can witness things that are, fortunately, rare, but, can still be extremely damaging when they arise. These are instances a fan develops an unhealthy fixation on an artist and performer. They can't distinguish the real nature of the relationship and they come to imagine themself as having a much closer bond, be it sexual or psychological or otherwise, to the performer than actually could, or should, exist. Some fans come to believe that they know what is best for the person/artist, in their professional and, even, in their personal life. Most don't act upon such delusions, but, when they do, it can be pretty ugly. It can get to the point where an artist's biggest fan becomes their biggest detractor. A performer who starts dating or marries someone can, unwitting, unleash the fury of a fan who has developed a fantasy world that doesn't include the artist's new partner. As you've cited with the example of some folks' reaction to Ani DiFranco's accompaniment, the sense of possession some members of the audience feel in connection with a particular artist can be regrettable. At the very least, it has no place. At worst, it can be downright dangerous. In my own experience, I know of three instances when artists have found it necessary to bring such fan "devotion" to the attention of the police to ensure the safety of all. (And, no doubt, everyone here knows the tragic case of the fan obsessed with Sarah McLachlan.) From the mass to the individual scale, it can be complicated. Best thing is for there to be mutual respect, a sense of reality, and understanding, between artist/audience. Music sharing is a beautiful thing. And, as you, and earlier posters, have said - constant artist/music-bashing is just not part of that healthy equation. cheers, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:53:07 -0500 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Re: CD quailty I didn't like the sound of those on vinyl either, though they worked *slightly* better because the dust crackles worked with the murky production :) Did you like the sound of the 'Dry' demos? Still mad at Steve Albini for his 'Rid of me' production, but again, not a CD mastering issue. Maybe LoveHounds obsessives have done the Kate CD release comparisons. Not that I can be bothered searching that out :) K. > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:55:49 -0500 > From: morayati@email.unc.edu > Subject: Re: CD quailty > > I have a few CDs that are just of such horrible quality that it's > affected my opinion of the music itself. I hate it, but it's true. The > ones I can think of: > > The Breeders - Pod > PJ Harvey - Dry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:11:11 -0600 From: "Amy-Collected Sounds" Subject: RE: (sarah slean) This post made laugh out loud, Karen...as your writing often does. I do not own, nor have I heard, The Baroness because it seems that Slean's record company are very insistent on it not getting into the hands of the fans. I won't even go into the trouble I went through to try and order it. If you're so inclined you can read about it on the site. However, one of her wonderful fans, who also reads my site, arranged for me to get a copy of The Baroness Redecorates EP. I actually like it. Very much!! In fact I am listening to it right now. Sweet Virginia.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Karen Hester Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:13 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: (sarah slean) ha, i forgot her, that's how disappointing the album was - it doesn't exist in my world. blech. so uninspired i can't bring myself to type capital letters :) so uninspired i can't be bothered buying the extra tracks, even though i really like 'parasol'. guess i'm punishing myself too then. k. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:33:28 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: CD quailty Hi, Karen Hester wrote: > Maybe LoveHounds obsessives have done the Kate CD release comparisons. Yes, they have. :) Plus, from the moment _The Sensual World_ was released in 1989 (*pauses to have the OMFG I've been online for almost 20 years freakout*), folks on Love-Hounds have been bitching about the sound of it. But in that case, it wasn't just about the CD -- that is just a very poorly engineered and mastered record. (At the time I really had no clue what everyone was on about, but now that I know much more about how these things work and have a much more critical ear, I agree.) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:47:05 -0600 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: CD quailty Yep, that record in particular... I don't know enough about sound engineering to know why, but that record has never sounded quite right, and the tracks don't mix well on mix CDs (Ive tried to use some of my favorites, like love and anger, several times...). Nice to know I'm not crazy. On 1/11/09 11:33 AM, "meredith" wrote: > Hi, > > Karen Hester wrote: >> Maybe LoveHounds obsessives have done the Kate CD release comparisons. > > Yes, they have. :) > > Plus, from the moment _The Sensual World_ was released in 1989 (*pauses to > have the OMFG I've been > online for almost 20 years freakout*), folks on Love-Hounds have been bitching > about the sound of > it. But in that case, it wasn't just about the CD -- that is just a very > poorly engineered and > mastered record. (At the time I really had no clue what everyone was on > about, but now that I know > much more about how these things work and have a much more critical ear, I > agree.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Gidney Subject: =?utf-8?B?RXBpcGhhbnkgUHJvamVjdCwg4oCcSGluIERhZ2jigJ0=?= Dead Can Dance meets the pastoral pop of the October Project in this charming world music collection. The title means bSacred Wordsb and true to that title, prayers in Aramaic, Armenian and other tongues are mixed in with piano-based compositions with world music flourishes. Composed by John Hodian, an American-Armenian, the work is equal parts Western and Eastern, with romantic piano solos laying alongside oud, Persian clarinet and intensive percussion workouts. The guitar solo in one song is a bit much for my taste, but its mostly acoustic. Bet Williamsbs voice is earthy and pliable and beautiful. Hers is not a mystical Lisa Gerrard or Stellamara type voicebitbs rootsier. Her range is amazing and she has as much fun singing guttural syllables, swooping angelically, or singing narrative lyrics in English. Fun is the key word herebwill there is much beauty in the work, therebs a joy to the playing. The Epiphany Project treats the source material with reverence, but not with kid gloves. Itbs an interpretation of world music minus the stately gloom of other world music groups. Recommended tracks: bAshem,b a frenzied hammered dulcimer piece; bSarmad,bslinky Middle-Eastern jazz; bBeulah,b a Southern Gothic story-song. http://www.last.fm/music/Epiphany+Project/Hin+Dagh http://craiglaurancegidney.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= Subject: sarah jane morris hi.. the new sarah jane morris cd Migratory birds is pretty special. She does mostly covers here but with her own style..the versions of rickie lee jones' skeletons and lou reed's pale blue eyes suit her husky vocals well..she also reinvents britney's toxic..yes really..it works. sarahjanemorris.com anna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:41:42 -0600 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: sarah jane morris Have you heard Yael Naim's reinvention of Toxic? Also great! I love serious takes on frivolous pop songs. Greg Laswell's "Girls Just want to Have Fun" is another good one. On 1/11/09 12:25 PM, "anna maria stjdrnell" wrote: > hi.. > the new sarah jane morris cd Migratory birds is pretty special. She does > mostly covers here but with her own style..the versions of rickie lee jones' > skeletons and lou reed's pale blue eyes suit her husky vocals well..she also > reinvents britney's toxic..yes really..it works. > sarahjanemorris.com > anna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:11:42 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: serious covers (was Re: sarah jane morris) Frankly, for overly dramatic readings of pop songs, I think it would be hard to beat Alanis' cover of "My Humps". jeff n.p. _Speedbath_, Kristen Hersh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:18:18 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: CD quailty > Plus, from the moment _The Sensual World_ was released in 1989 > (*pauses to have the OMFG I've been online for almost 20 years > freakout*), folks on Love-Hounds have been bitching about the sound > of it. You're not really going to bring back the Kevin Killen Wars, are you? I was personally always in the IED camp that if KaTe allowed it to be released that way, then it was how she wanted it to sound. It never bothered me sonically... (if it makes you feel any better, I was first reading newsgroups in '87, and had been on bbs's since '85. damn. that probably won't make you feel better, it just makes me feel older. Hi, Mike.) jeff n.p. "Toxic", Yael Naim via YouTube (thanks, Timothy!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:24:12 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Rebecca Pidgeon online concert appearance Since I know there are a bunch of Rebecca Pidgeon/Ruby Blue fans out there, I wanted to point out that she'll be appearing on this week's installment of Peter Himmelman's Furious World, a live webcast concert. The shows broadcast live on Tuesdays at 7pm Pacific and they're a lot of fun. Another ectophilic artist, Kristin Mooney, is Peter's long-time backup vocalist and she also shows up on the shows. http://tinyurl.com/furiousworld 01/13/09, 10pm Eastern, 7pm Pacific. jeff n.p. _Speedbath_, Kristin Hersh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:34:54 -0600 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: serious covers (was Re: sarah jane morris) This is true. I think it's one of her most committed performances since Supposed Former. True love. Has anyone heard Petra Haden's take on Journey's "Don't Stop Believing?" I can't get enough of it. On 1/11/09 1:11 PM, "Jeffrey Burka" wrote: > Frankly, for overly dramatic readings of pop songs, I think it would > be hard to beat Alanis' cover of "My Humps". > > jeff > n.p. _Speedbath_, Kristen Hersh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:24:09 -0500 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: sarah jane morris Also worth a listen is Richard Thompson's version of "Oops! I Did It Again." He turns it into a Gothic dance tune. It's on his "1000 Years Of Popular Music." (Er, that's Gothic as in the historical period, not gothic as in he dyed his hair bright red and had his nose pierced in eighteen places.) Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington To: stjarnell@yahoo.com ; Untitled Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: sarah jane morris Have you heard Yael Naim's reinvention of Toxic? Also great! I love serious takes on frivolous pop songs. Greg Laswell's "Girls Just want to Have Fun" is another good one. On 1/11/09 12:25 PM, "anna maria stjdrnell" wrote: > hi.. > the new sarah jane morris cd Migratory birds is pretty special. She does > mostly covers here but with her own style..the versions of rickie lee > jones' > skeletons and lou reed's pale blue eyes suit her husky vocals well..she > also > reinvents britney's toxic..yes really..it works. > sarahjanemorris.com > anna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:48:27 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: Live artists On Jan 11, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Allison Crowe Music wrote: > Adam, you've raised some important, central, questions/issues that > pertain to artists and audiences - especially on a macro scale. > Audiences for tribute acts and nostalgia acts may want to hear > replication of the hits, but, I'd be surprised if that's what most > listeners of less-packaged acts would be keen to experience. Certainly > that sounds un-ecto-like. I think that it goes beyond tribute and nostalgia acts. The band with the new hit is expected to play the hit as it is known, and then - you do remixes and start to wander into other versions and takes. Established acts will often have those ready to go, early on. The general public is adventurous - to a degree...but, as I am sure everyone knows - it's the big fans and the die-hards that go for the 99 different versions and takes. The casual fan is just gonna wanna hear the song they heard on the radio - when out live. Which, agreed, is very passive, but most are not into anything more. ecto peeps will want variation, accept changes and the rest of it more willingly, and will also be vocal if they didn't like the new record or direction....good on them. If someone doesn't like peanut butter on their steak and their friends don't either - they won't recommend it to others they know have the same taste. I wouldn't call that bashing, I'd call that looking out for your friends tastebuds. some things simply are not to peoples taste! Peanut butter is best left with jam, and that's just the way it goes, on the most part. Cookies, celery...once in awhile. Industry bashing has gone on for many years...by artists and fans. These days, it really is more about indie artists and launching at places like Hotel Cafe and surviving their sunday nite auditions after CD's have been heard. There can be a vast difference between how a CD sounds and how a live act sounds and they have standards there. They have a reputation. Not everybody cares about climbing a career ladder - - say Hotel Cafe to the Leno show! Nor should they be expected. But, I have to say, that overall - no matter what the artist's career objectives are (some have no interest in making it big) - the audience at Hotel Cafe has built in expectations because the bookings are consistently fantastic and they have regular patrons. So, now we are talking venue specific audience expectations and having operated venues that achieved great acclaim, and long lasting success, I can tell you - what you book and how you present is KEY to keeping the seats filled. If you just book people you are crazy about - personally - and they just don't cut it for that venue (maybe they would be fine in front of a bunch of kindergarten kids instead) - then, well...you'll have problems. If you promote people who you like personally, but they kinda suck, you won't get or maintain a rep for having great taste, and people will stop listening to you or will be able to tell from the review or whatever what they are really going on about. Adam has consistently good taste as does Karen and Amy and others....and, I trust them....for what I like. Again, it's all about relationships. Filling seats may not be so important to some acts, but they are to the venue that has to pay rent, staff, services and so on. So, Hotel Cafe has a tiered system in how they let acts develop. It works very well. If an act seems good to them, they ask them back and they move them up to better days and times of the week. You have to earn your placement. It's very fair, it protects everybody. Putting someone between Lelia Broussard and Jesca Hoop that is still pretty green, is not going to be the kindest placement for that act. Keeping them back at tuesday at 7pm, would be appropriate, however. This keeps the act from getting bashed cos now they aren't gonna be compared between two seasoned pro's. Some acts simply won't make it past the sunday nite auditions. Some won't even be accepted on the submission of their CD's. There are a zillion acts out there now. It doesn't take a fan, just a regular patron of say Hotel Cafe or Borderline in London to know what the standards are for those venues and what the level of audience expectation is... regulars will know what acts cut it and what acts won't and they don't have to be a fan of any of them to appreciate when someone is really good and will make the grade and when they wont. People who go to those venues are usually music lovers and go to these places like people go to their fave coffeeshop....they don't just come out for one act...and never come back. Unless, maybe they are into heavy metal and step into - the Hotel Cafe! Ooops! Venues have regular patrons and they do have certain sensibilities and expectations and the venue helps shape those via their booking policies. Been there, done that. Created a raging success that is still going, 30 years later. To think it is all about the act, is...well...there needs to be support all along the way. Venues are critical, and in this economic turndown, you can, go out and see 5 fantastic acts for $10 at the Hotel Cafe. Different nights of the week, bring different expectations. You want to see first timers audition - go on sundays. You want to see the acts that made it through all the hoops, come on thursdays, and so on. Who cares what a performers personal life is! ? That is usually part and parcel of the whole hollywood - Paris Hilton and followers - scene. She was run out of my neighborhood, so, regardless of her celebrity, real people in real places have no use for her, whatsoever. I don't know any ecto folk who seek out celebrity or those sorts of personal bits. Quite the opposite. But, there is a sort of parasite industry that exists and creates/feeds that... We do have a stalker issue within one of the groups of performers I work with, right now, and I dated someone (famous) who had one that thought she was married to the person I was dating and there are detectives and certain procedures and protocols involved. There are also plenty of performers that have overactive imaginations, issues with anxiety, drugs, bi-polar, and/or otherwise very difficult to deal with - who sometimes end up institutionalized or dead, and those experiences (I've had) far far far exceed the ones I've had with crazy fans! Thank you very much! I have fans that stake me out now, but like the one a few days ago, they are usually just inspired and want to say thank you and get to know you better. I was with a performer for years that used to pull pranks on other performers - dumping bags of flour on them - or pulling faces and trying to make someone laugh who is giving a speech....but i figured out you can have just as much fun dropping off loads of chocolates or something that makes someone surprised and happy....than...you know, surprising them with a bag of flour over the head! Nothig wrong with good old fashioned fun and games. Fanatics can be musicians that are so obsessed with other artists that they copy them in hairstyle, dress, attitude, or even write new songs in that artists style and make the song directed at them....artist stalking another artist....and that can really be a bother....especially if they aren't very good and somehow manage to get a hit or something... Spawning copy cats is something the industry has done for years and it isn't always to the benefit to the original artist or to their liking. In fact, you can start to feel like you are being stalked by a bunch of clones that came out all weird and out of key...hahaha Drag queens however, are always welcome. Having a sense of humour helps! Bring on the chocolates! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:46:39 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Suki Ewers (of Mazzy Star) solo CD "Kinda Hazy" Here's one for the Mazzy Star fans... Suki Ewers of Mazzy Star has a new solo CD that came out this September and is now available at Borders Online. I'm not sure if it is in the stores, as sometimes they only stock things in the store and not online visa versa. But, their "in-store only" pretty much means they are only committed to so much stock, and I don't think they put people up on their online store unless they are proven sellers at the store. Anyway, Suki is fab and any fans of shoe gaze or Mazzy Star should appreciate this... You can listen to samples or buy the CD here http://tinyurl.com/94jk8c Hope Sandoval - the lead singer of Mazzy Star has recently done work with Massive Attack and David Roback (who writes the music for MS) is working up a new MS album, i think for 2010. So, expect more of them in indie projects or colabs and together again. No telling if Borders may lose the stores and stay online in their reorgainization this year. Time will tell. Compared to Borders online store, the Amazon music store, needs to come up with more artist friendly graphics! I presume they will, down the road. It's still too new, like their Myspace deal. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:13:16 -0600 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Suki Ewers (of Mazzy Star) solo CD "Kinda Hazy" I wish amazon would make their video store mac compatible already. On 1/11/09 5:46 PM, "birdie" wrote: > Here's one for the Mazzy Star fans... > > Suki Ewers of Mazzy Star has a new solo CD that came out this > September and is now available at Borders Online. > > I'm not sure if it is in the stores, as sometimes they only stock > things in the store and not online visa versa. > > But, their "in-store only" pretty much means they are only committed > to so much stock, and I don't think they put people up on their online > store unless they are proven sellers at the store. > > Anyway, Suki is fab and any fans of shoe gaze or Mazzy Star should > appreciate this... > > You can listen to samples or buy the CD here > > http://tinyurl.com/94jk8c > > Hope Sandoval - the lead singer of Mazzy Star has recently done work > with Massive Attack and David Roback (who writes the music for MS) is > working up a new MS album, i think for 2010. > > So, expect more of them in indie projects or colabs and together again. > > No telling if Borders may lose the stores and stay online in their > reorgainization this year. > > Time will tell. > > Compared to Borders online store, the Amazon music store, needs to > come up with more artist friendly graphics! > > I presume they will, down the road. It's still too new, like their > Myspace deal. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:28:38 -0800 From: birdie Subject: was Re: Suki Ewers now online store techno chat On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > I wish amazon would make their video store mac compatible already. > > I was reading all those KaTe posts and from the 20 + year online crowd (it includes me and from love-hounds) and they made me smile..... Still after all we've been through, I guess we've learned to wish and be patient. Things do improve. Except, I have to say, I really miss the Kill File function, sometimes - - Myspace has the block user but it does nothing to block other users in blog threads, etc. I keep thinking Amazon must have all sorts of upgrades in development..... Myspace, is slow, but sure and has come very far in the last 2 years. I have my own construction zones, so am also forgiving... Ok, off to see frost/nikon - then golden globes party - and then back to my excel workbook project. What a weird day of things to do! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:35:12 -0500 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Richard Thompson's "Oops!" With the fabulous Debra Dobkin on percussion: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rAS4ltt7DzI&feature=related Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:52:24 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: Richard Thompson's "Oops!" haha that was interesting... Here. Lelia Broussard covered Beyonce's "Single Ladies" - her own take on it - over a million plays and reams of positive comments was featured in a yahoo music article anyway, she was just having fun around the house... She has a residency at Hotel Cafe every thursday, all month check out the comments! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb47QmTT1ck On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Richard Messum wrote: > With the fabulous Debra Dobkin on percussion: > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rAS4ltt7DzI&feature=related > > Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:53:39 -0500 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: Suki Ewers (of Mazzy Star) solo CD "Kinda Hazy" That Massive Attack album was supposed to come out in 2008, if I recall correctly. I'm really looking forward to it, but I'm not holding my breath. Kind of like Stina Nordenstam's elusive new album... - -Sarah Quoting birdie : > Here's one for the Mazzy Star fans... > > Suki Ewers of Mazzy Star has a new solo CD that came out this > September and is now available at Borders Online. > > I'm not sure if it is in the stores, as sometimes they only stock > things in the store and not online visa versa. > > But, their "in-store only" pretty much means they are only committed > to so much stock, and I don't think they put people up on their > online store unless they are proven sellers at the store. > > Anyway, Suki is fab and any fans of shoe gaze or Mazzy Star should > appreciate this... > > You can listen to samples or buy the CD here > > http://tinyurl.com/94jk8c > > Hope Sandoval - the lead singer of Mazzy Star has recently done work > with Massive Attack and David Roback (who writes the music for MS) is > working up a new MS album, i think for 2010. > > So, expect more of them in indie projects or colabs and together again. > > No telling if Borders may lose the stores and stay online in their > reorgainization this year. > > Time will tell. > > Compared to Borders online store, the Amazon music store, needs to > come up with more artist friendly graphics! > > I presume they will, down the road. It's still too new, like their > Myspace deal. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:02:07 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: dig that crazy Bongo Beat! Birdie writes: "(I) do not see, where for me, I've made an error." Therein lies the root of the problem. It's not just about YOU, Birdie. It's about other people, too. You have conducted a campaign of vilification on this list now for about two weeks. You have posted outright defamatory lies about musicians Adrienne Pierce, Ari Shine and music/poetry publisher Bongo Beat. You refuse to acknowledge the damage and pain you inflict on others. You lie and deceive about the motivation for your nasty campaign. Adrienne and Ari have made a choice to be together. Get over it. Bongo Beat is not at all what you've said it is. 'fess up. You owe these and other folks sincere apologies for the lies you have told. If you wish to have credibility as you carry on forecasting all things to happen in the world, start by restoring the reality that's been lost by your personal vendetta. peace, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:21:18 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: sarah jane morris Hi, Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > I love serious takes on frivolous pop songs. On New Year's Eve at the ecto-famous Tin Angel in Philly, Erin McKeown and Garrison Starr closed out the night with a rather surprising take on Beyonce's "Single Ladies". JeffW captured the moment on video, and it's now on the front page of erinmckeown.com. Enjoy -- it was hilarious. :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:23:10 -0800 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: dig that crazy Bongo Beat! Allison Crowe Music writes: > Birdie writes: At this point, might I suggest that this particular dispute between you two is not appropriate to hash out on Ecto? Each of you might think you have an argument to win, but if you keep up this tone of discourse, you're just going to convince everyone you're both losers. Please, no parting shots, no last words, no "he started it, I'm just trying to defend myself". If you feel you have to argue this out with each other, do it in personal mail, not in posts to Ecto. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:23:22 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: Live artists Birdie writes: "Who cares what a performers personal life is! ?" Well, this list could have been spared thousands of words - many of them mean-spirited, false and defamatory - if no one cared about a particular performer's personal life. cheers, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:29:43 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: dig that crazy Bongo Beat! Hi Steve ~ I have no dispute with Birdie. There's something far more complicated happening than what you suggest. Understandably, you've not read the posts of the past weeks to be apprised. I wouldn't myself had circumstances been different. I'm not going to explain the details beyond what I've posted to the list. If you feel compelled to understand, please contact the list manager. cheers, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:06:00 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: maintaining fairness and decency in list postings If you read the posts of recent weeks, critical faculties alone should be enough for you to see how some folks, not present to even participate, have been repeatedly jumped on and spat on. And, that's just the surface. I don't know about you, but, my sense of fairness and decency just doesn't mesh with this sort of conduct. I am not party to any dispute. In the absence of the parties being attacked being present to represent their interests, I and others are filling a role to safeguard their interests and reputations. As noted, there's a lot of complexity to what lies beneath, and the relationships that make it a delicate operation to excise the cancer. And there's no medical handbook, so, for, sure, not all the steps will have surgical precision. I'm as frustrated as anyone with all the nonsense to wade through. Still, as a caring human being, it's simply not on to stand by and watch good people be hurt and publicly defamed. You can inform yourself, and then, do unto others, or, you can dismiss things as you wish. 'best, Adrian ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #10 **************************