From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V14 #5 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, January 7 2009 Volume 14 : Number 005 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- dark cabaret [=?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= ] dark cabaret and.. [=?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= ] Re: nicki jaine [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Was Best of 2008...Now worst. [Marypt51@aol.com] Mary Lorson side-project: The Piano Creeps ["Paul Jensen" ] Re: Was Best of 2008...Now worst. [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= Subject: dark cabaret hi.. on the dark cabaret sorta thing from leonora.. try karen vieno paurus..very tasty cabaret/blues.. karenpaurus.com harlequin jones..very dresden dolls-y but good.. harlequinjones.com have you tried voltaire? he's an aquired taste, but very good gothic cabaret..um he's on his own really..very funny and sharp stuff. voltaire.net and that's all I could think of now. anna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:48:36 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Sarina Simoom Neile Graham wrote: > From my brief listen, I think fans of their amazing Thread bone bare > will be pleased. Oh yes, I'm pleased. It's wonderful to have them back! Although CDBaby doesn't seem to know about this record yet... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:49:05 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= Subject: dark cabaret and.. hi.. some more dark stuff.. devil doll is a band fronted by a marvelous singer who do cabaret, but also rock always with a sexy twist. their two cds are great. http://www.devil-doll.com/ the romanovs are dark, edgy and tori amos-like.. http://www.myspace.com/wearetheromanovs and lastly..sopor aeternus won't be to everyone's liking..but their transfixing darkwave music is haunting and the last album les fleurs de mal was superb. http://www.myspace.com/soporaeternusofficial anna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?anna_maria_stj=E4rnell?= Subject: nicki jaine hi.. last dark cabaret one I swear.. Nicki Jaine has done great stuff..both solo and in Revue Noir. She has a dark, very haunting style. nickijaine.com anna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:29:34 +0100 From: Leonora Christina Skov Subject: Thanks!! I am so grateful for all your suggestions! I'll definitely check them out sooner rather than later. Thanks :-) Leonora "I never go outside unless I look like Joan Crawford the movie star. If you want to see the girl next door, go next door" (Joan Crawford) www.leonorachristinaskov.blogspot.com > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:54:58 -0800> From: stjarnell@yahoo.com> Subject: nicki jaine> To: ecto@smoe.org> > hi..> last dark cabaret one I swear..> Nicki Jaine has done great stuff..both solo and in Revue Noir. She has a dark, very haunting style.> nickijaine.com> > anna _________________________________________________________________ Drag and Drop - del nemt dine digitale billeder med Windows Live Billeder. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:32:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: nicki jaine AND she plays the musical saw. she's quite worthwhile seeing live if you have the opportunity. > hi.. > last dark cabaret one I swear.. > Nicki Jaine has done great stuff..both solo and in Revue Noir. She has a dark, very haunting style. > nickijaine.com > > anna > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://www.kappamaki.com/ http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:40:52 EST From: Marypt51@aol.com Subject: Re: Was Best of 2008...Now worst. In a message dated 1/6/09 1:23:23 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: > Sometimes, it's better to stay home and work on an act than take off with > one where your audience isn't gonna like it! Let alone the venues bookers! > > But, hey....some people need to learn the hard way. > > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the case of this artist, I agree with you that if you fear people who attended would remember her sounding less than her best and not come out to hear her again because the live show was not ready, it was not a good decision to go on the road yet. I have a much longer version of this answer that goes into particulars of where I disagree with you on matters of "professionalism" or on the need for "loops", but I don't really care to fill up your inbox with my long commentary. Your bottom line was that there wasn't enough going on to hold your attention and creativity needed to be added to the act to make it less boring, a reasonable request. Whether strumming holds my attention or not depends on the situation, and I was not there. (I can enjoy something as simple as the strummed drone of a mountain dulcimer or twelve string guitar strumming and many other strumming sounds, so if the lyrics and voice were interesting to me, I might have liked it despite your objections to the strumming. I also can be bored by a full set of songs performed of strumming or of arpeggios played up the neck, but if the singing and lyrics are there, my interest remains. Depends on the artist's ability to convey through their voice; I don't need a lot of other looping and atmosphere to enjoy good lyrics and a good voice; those can distract -- so ultimately it's up to the individual listener's preferences, and your group of friends may have a different shared aesthetic they prefer than my group of friends, so the fact your friends don't like something doesn't mean that I and my friends wouldn't -- it all depends. You heard it; I did not, and I agree that I might well have reacted the same way as you.) ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:06:54 -0600 From: "Paul Jensen" Subject: Mary Lorson side-project: The Piano Creeps Mary Lorson.. is the name familiar? I hope so.. She was the singer of the excellent 90's band Madder Rose. She created a side-project called Saint Low, which was equally outstanding.. And now her OTHER side-project, The Piano Creeps, has a new album out. Unlike the first Piano Creeps album, which was mostly instrumental (and not entirely successful, imo), this album has lots of vocals, and sounds very similar to her work with Saint Low. For a sample, check out the beautiful, and somewhat heartbreaking "Hey Love" video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZdwgaOoP_o ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:52:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Sarina Simoom Neile sez: > Sarina Simoom has re-surfaced with a digital-only (so far, except at > shows I gather) ep. Yay. Just picked it up off iTunes and a first spin through the five tracks leaves me quite pleased. Hmm. I wonder when I last listened to _Thread Bone Bare_? Perhaps that gets the next spin. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:28:37 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: Was Best of 2008...Now worst. Marypt51@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/6/09 1:23:23 AM, birdies@ix.netcom.com writes: > > > > >>Sometimes, it's better to stay home and work on an act than take off with >>one where your audience isn't gonna like it! Let alone the venues bookers! >> >>But, hey....some people need to learn the hard way. >> >> >> >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >In the case of this artist, I agree with you that if you fear people who >attended would remember her sounding less than her best and not come out to hear >her again because the live show was not ready, it was not a good decision to go >on the road yet. I have a much longer version of this answer that goes into >particulars of where I disagree with you on matters of "professionalism" or on >the need for "loops", but I don't really care to fill up your inbox with my >long commentary. Your bottom line was that there wasn't enough going on to hold >your attention and creativity needed to be added to the act to make it less >boring, a reasonable request. Whether strumming holds my attention or not >depends on the situation, and I was not there. > > She had someone on guitar who was by turns overplaying, going out of time, missing notes...all the while looking hard at his hand, like it was killing him to make the chords. a big lumbering mess.... have you ever heard someone play while drunk and trying to show off? It was like that. I've worked since I was 13 in professional venues for film, music, theater. I've worked for the very best and with the very best. I am known for having high standards but I respect what the basic going standards are - and this mr. wanna be rock and roll dude should have stayed home looking at himself in the mirror.... I have never in all my career.... The complete opposite side of the spectrum would be Patty Griffin's guitarist!!! Backing someone is a fine art or can be. It can also tank an act that shouldnt be tanked by a a crappy player.... Moneys tight - getting tighter - people go out to have a good time and be pleased by what they hear, If they see/hear a poorly executed show - they feel let down and that leaves a bad taste in their mouth and they aren't likely to try that dish again. You want a 1/2 baked meal (singer/song is good - backing support sucks) send back to the kitchen to be fixed....or forget eating that there again. That's life. There are lots of wonderful artists around Jesca Hoop, Carina Round, Lelia Broussard, Amber Rubarth, Rachael Sage and so on that have wonderful support and work real hard at their careers and are indie artists who do in fact deserve my time and energy and money and support. (I can enjoy something as simple as the strummed drone of a mountain dulcimer >or twelve string guitar strumming and many other strumming sounds, so if the >lyrics and voice were interesting to me, I might have liked it despite your >objections to the strumming. > You would probably hear that it could be better - that something was there but it wasn't being presented as well as it should have been....but people with producer ears go there, more than just your casual listener. Pete Seeger is one of the greatest ever - seriously - for using just a banjo or guitar!!! Trust me, if Pete had someone overplaying, missing notes, and making a mess of his songs - the audience would be in the same boat here.....and no one would ever expect to see that person play with him again. That's the real world. The way the cookie crumbles. It's only since the business has been falling apart do we see more and more artists not developing into great acts. Labels use to pay for that - - they don't anymore. So, there are 1/2 baked acts that could have a good singer and some songs but...chances are someone needs to be a good producer or musical director or they need to have a tight band or any number of things....but weak links need to be removed, and without a label or manager to be the bad guy and say "honey, the boyfriend has a nice hairdo but his playing is horrible - we have to cut him" - there is more room now for shoddy acts. Except, the Hotel Cafe and other places do weed them out. They put the new people on - on sundays - when food isn't served and hardly anyone comes and its like going to auditions. If they like you, they will bump you up to a tuesday night, 7pm slot.....and so on from there. Acts still have to prove themselves. But that sunday night is real important. It's the audition. >I also can be bored by a full set of songs >performed of strumming or of arpeggios played up the neck, but if the singing and >lyrics are there, my interest remains. Depends on the artist's ability to convey >through their voice; I don't need a lot of other looping and atmosphere to >enjoy good lyrics and a good voice; those can distract -- so ultimately it's up to >the individual listener's preferences, and your group of friends may have a >different shared aesthetic they prefer than my group of friends, so the fact >your friends don't like something doesn't mean that I and my friends wouldn't -- >it all depends. You heard it; I did not, and I agree that I might well have >reacted the same way as you.) > > Um, my primary group of friends are some of the top session players in the business and/or are highly respected singer/songwriters and/or own studios and they range from indie to having sold over 50 million records. I still do not understand where you have run off on the lots of looping and atmosphere track. Any real instrument can be sampled and looped.... Exquisite sets can be created. Thats all. I really dont understand where you are going with all this layering and faux drum stuff - You can sample ANY real instrument and program it so you can trigger it with your looping station, or build backing trks with real recorded instruments...the guitar strumming could be recorded on the spot for a few bars and be left to loop while maybe an accordian is picked up! It all sounds real. We aren't talking layers or any fake instruments - we are talkin' a solo act adding variety and depth that compliments the song. Tastefully. I've done loads of layering on demos, so that when it comes time to finish, they can be trimmed down - keep the good - leave the overkill - replace synth sounds with actual real instruments and so on. But, how would you know that? and I say, Pete Seeger is a god. I am all over the place as long as it's real music by musicians who are great players and their heart is in it - Louis Armstrong was the cats meow when I was 4 years old. I was crazy for him. That's the real deal. anyway, it looks like Adrienne's CD's are now on sale 40% off at Borders and they only stocked them in mid-november. I'll be advising people to stick with CD Baby, Amazon, iTunes, Ameoba, and mail order. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V14 #5 *************************