From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #640 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, October 29 2008 Volume 13 : Number 640 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Ecto-wiki: electric space heaters [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Ecto-wiki: electric space heaters [birdie ] Cranes' ST new album [Craig Gidney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:32:15 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Ecto-wiki: electric space heaters Hi, Or, should that be Wiki-Ecto? Technical space heater questions: Any 1500 Watts heater will use 5120 btus per hour. It takes 'X' amount of btus to heat a room to 'Y' temperature. People are raving about oil heated electric because, 'the oil radiates heat after the heating elements shut off". Question 1: is this simply a matter of the thing cycling on/off less often per period of time than a 'glowing ribbon w/ fan' heater? ie: same btus/'heat' for same length of time? Question 2 : it seems like a fan operated unit heats a cold room faster than one more 'passive'. Is this more a matter of perception than heating efficiency? Also: does a faster fan unit necessarily heat faster than a slower fan unit of the same wattage? (Vornado type vs ribbon or ceramic w/ smaller fan.) "Infrared unit heats the person it is aimed at and not the whole roomful of air." Q 3 : Doesn't this mean that only one side of you would be heated - like sitting sideways in front of a fireplace? Or, are they more comfortable than that? Q 4 : For a person sitting and working in a room in the colder part of the house, would an infrared be better/cheaper than a Vornado aimed at the person? Thanks, bye, Kerry KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:59:55 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Ecto-wiki: electric space heaters There are these new oil radiant heaters that...damn...I forget what is in them, but...they are eco-friendly...hmm....maybe they are filled with WATER! Check that out. Radiant heat is the best most natural form of heat - like a fire or the sun or a wood burning stove or a wall radiator....filled with hot water. They take a little longer to heat up than electric but you learn what level to keep it at, and so it cycles on and off throughout the day or night to maintain a good level of warmth. They do not dry the air out like electric heaters, so if you already suffer from the dry winter air - forget electric. Also, electric is more dangerous and I would never ever leave one on while I wasn't at home. I do not have an issue leaving the oil radiant heater on low, when I am not at home. The coil is not exposed, it's all sealed. I have animals, so, that is key for their comfort as well. The oil does keep radiating and the fan/electric ones start blasting hot dry air fast... So, you just learn how to manage your radiant heater - turning it on in advance with a timer or leaving it on a certain setting so it cycles just right. I will never go back to any electric heaters. Cheers Birdie kerry white wrote: > Hi, Or, should that be Wiki-Ecto? Technical space heater questions: >Any 1500 Watts heater will use 5120 btus per hour. It takes 'X' amount >of btus to heat a room to 'Y' temperature. People are raving about oil >heated electric because, 'the oil radiates heat after the heating >elements shut off". > Question 1: is this simply a matter of the thing cycling on/off less >often per period of time than a 'glowing ribbon w/ fan' heater? ie: >same btus/'heat' for same length of time? > Question 2 : it seems like a fan operated unit heats a cold room >faster than one more 'passive'. Is this more a matter of perception >than heating efficiency? Also: does a faster fan unit necessarily heat >faster than a slower fan unit of the same wattage? (Vornado type vs >ribbon or ceramic w/ smaller fan.) > "Infrared unit heats the person it is aimed at and not the whole >roomful of air." > Q 3 : Doesn't this mean that only one side of you would be heated - >like sitting sideways in front of a fireplace? Or, are they more >comfortable than that? > Q 4 : For a person sitting and working in a room in the colder part of >the house, would an infrared be better/cheaper than a Vornado aimed at >the person? > Thanks, bye, Kerry > > KrW >I'm Peter Pan! >I'm perpetually young!! >OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Cranes' ST new album CranesCranes The Portsmouth, England band are a bit of an acquired taste, mostly because the lead singer Alison Shaw sounds like she's, at most, six years old. (Joanna Newsom would be a reference point). At its worst, it can be cloyingly twee, and at its best, mysterious and haunting. Fortunately, the music that her brother Jim Shaw constructs plays to that voice's strengths. Poised between glitchy, blippy electronica with hints of Eno and Aphex Twin, and dreamy, pastoral folk rock, Cranes have largely abandoned the dark, Joy Division compositions for sunnier pastures. The best tracks on their latest, independently released album are mesmerizing and fragile like A. Shaw's vocals, like the drifting "Feather" and and floating "Invisible." - Craig http://craiglaurancegidney.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #640 ***************************