From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #605 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, September 17 2008 Volume 13 : Number 605 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) [jessica spurling ] RE: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) [Leonora Christina Skov ] RE: Emily Bezar - Exchange ["Bill Mazur" ] Re: Emily Bezar - Exchange [Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) Sigh. To ensure that this actually ends, I think I'll go to bed after this, and then take a break from ecto for a while. If you're not in the US are you're offended that I suggested that everyone on ecto vote, I apologize, I didn't mean to omit or offend non-americans. I *did* say "our government's policies affect music in this country," and yeah, I meant the US and its upcoming elections. But I hope ectophiles in all countries that have elected governments and/or the ability to vote on issues will vote when given the opportunity. I just wanted to say 'vote because you can and you care' and that applies to anyone anywhere when given the opportunity to vote. Also, in my second email I made two separate points - one to apologize for unknowingly sending an "obama ad" when I thought I was sending something to help get people to vote tat was just something that i noticed once the site was drawn to my closer attention, and it bothered me. My second point was to apologize for referring folks to a website that has no privacy policy at all and who knows what they do with one's personal details. In the section of my email where I apologize for *this*, the privacy violation, I thank the ectophile who brought it to my attention. To be VERY clear, that person ONLY wrote to me about the privacy issues. That person has no issue with Obama or the fact that I was effectively sending out a thinly veiled obama ad. Not that I specified or will specify who that person is, but I want to be clear and fair in my representation of that person to minimize the offense I'm creating tonight. The only questions raised by an ectophile were regarding the privacy issues, and had nothing to do with Obama. See you all in a few weeks when I get over this whole fiasco. - --jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:15:34 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) Wow, Jessica, I'm sorry you got raked over the coals for this. I'm not very excited about any of the candidates in this election, but there's usually some political discussion on ecto, and there has been before--and usually much that I disagree with. In general, ecto has been pretty open to any kind of discussion at all, and I'm sorry you're feeling stifled. I'm glad you pointed out the lack of privacy policy on that site, and I appreciate your considerateness in not wanting to start a political discussion or tread on anyone's toes. And I appreciate the desire to keep the list flame-free, which is one of the nice things about it. But for my part I don't think anything you said was out of line on this list. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:16 AM, jessica spurling wrote: > Sigh. > To ensure that this actually ends, I think I'll go to bed after this, and > then take a break from ecto for a while. > > If you're not in the US are you're offended that I suggested that everyone > on ecto vote, I apologize, I didn't mean to omit or offend non-americans. I > *did* say "our government's policies affect music in this country," and > yeah, I meant the US and its upcoming elections. But I hope ectophiles in > all countries that have elected governments and/or the ability to vote on > issues will vote when given the opportunity. I just wanted to say 'vote > because you can and you care' and that applies to anyone anywhere when given > the opportunity to vote. > > Also, in my second email I made two separate points - one to apologize for > unknowingly sending an "obama ad" when I thought I was sending something to > help get people to vote tat was just something that i noticed once the site > was drawn to my closer attention, and it bothered me. My second point was to > apologize for referring folks to a website that has no privacy policy at all > and who knows what they do with one's personal details. In the section of my > email where I apologize for *this*, the privacy violation, I thank the > ectophile who brought it to my attention. To be VERY clear, that person ONLY > wrote to me about the privacy issues. That person has no issue with Obama or > the fact that I was effectively sending out a thinly veiled obama ad. Not > that I specified or will specify who that person is, but I want to be clear > and fair in my representation of that person to minimize the offense I'm > creating tonight. The only questions raised by an ectophile were regarding > the privacy issues, and had nothing to do with Obama. > > See you all in a few weeks when I get over this whole fiasco. > > --jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:29:05 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) jessica spurling wrote: > See you all in a few weeks when I get over this whole fiasco. Do realize that from the perspective of the silent majority here, all we're seeing is three very reasonable emails with (pretty much) unnecessary apologies. I understand that you've gotten a couple of personal emails, but y'know, proclaiming myself spokes-person for the silent majority (at least for such time until a vocal minority objects to me doing that) :), there was no fiasco. Just an honest mistake with good intentions, and we're all friends here, so apologies really aren't necessary. Please don't take a break from ecto. What if you happened to discover some really good music while on that break?! We want to know about that! And we'd hate for you to miss such good music as we ourselves discover! :) Sander ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:10:44 +0200 From: Leonora Christina Skov Subject: RE: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) I am a Danish ectophile and personally, I am fine with both thinly veiled and not so thinly veiled Obama ads. Danish politics are unfortunately highly influenced by American politics so the upcoming US election is of utmost importance to me, too. I guess that applies to all os us no matter where we are based and I am just really sorry I have zero influence on the events. In Denmark around 80% of all grown-ups vote, but then Denmark is such a small country and who cares what 5.5 million people think. I will probabaly never have the chance to vote for anything as important as the next American president, but I do wish I had a say and I do believe people should be fined for not voting. Democracy should never be taken for granted. Best, Leonora "I never go outside unless I look like Joan Crawford the movie star. If you want to see the girl next door, go next door" (Joan Crawford) Forfatter, mag.art. Leonora Christina Skov H.C. Xrsteds Vej 35, 3.tv., 1879 Frb. C. Tlf 38 19 03 81 / 26 85 67 27 > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:15:34 -0400> From: ciriwe@phobot.net> To: jessica@viscous.org> Subject: Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze)> CC: ecto@smoe.org> > Wow, Jessica, I'm sorry you got raked over the coals for this. I'm not> very excited about any of the candidates in this election, but there's> usually some political discussion on ecto, and there has been> before--and usually much that I disagree with. In general, ecto has> been pretty open to any kind of discussion at all, and I'm sorry> you're feeling stifled.> > I'm glad you pointed out the lack of privacy policy on that site, and> I appreciate your considerateness in not wanting to start a political> discussion or tread on anyone's toes. And I appreciate the desire to> keep the list flame-free, which is one of the nice things about it.> But for my part I don't think anything you said was out of line on> this list.> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:16 AM, jessica spurling wrote:> > Sigh.> > To ensure that this actually ends, I think I'll go to bed after this, and> > then take a break from ecto for a while.> >> > If you're not in the US are you're offended that I suggested that everyone> > on ecto vote, I apologize, I didn't mean to omit or offend non-americans. I> > *did* say "our government's policies affect music in this country," and> > yeah, I meant the US and its upcoming elections. But I hope ectophiles in> > all countries that have elected governments and/or the ability to vote on> > issues will vote when given the opportunity. I just wanted to say 'vote> > because you can and you care' and that applies to anyone anywhere when given> > the opportunity to vote.> >> > Also, in my second email I made two separate points - one to apologize for> > unknowingly sending an "obama ad" when I thought I was sending something to> > help get people to vote tat was just something that i noticed once the site> > was drawn to my closer attention, and it bothered me. My second point was to> > apologize for referring folks to a website that has no privacy policy at all> > and who knows what they do with one's personal details. In the section of my> > email where I apologize for *this*, the privacy violation, I thank the> > ectophile who brought it to my attention. To be VERY clear, that person ONLY> > wrote to me about the privacy issues. That person has no issue with Obama or> > the fact that I was effectively sending out a thinly veiled obama ad. Not> > that I specified or will specify who that person is, but I want to be clear> > and fair in my representation of that person to minimize the offense I'm> > creating tonight. The only questions raised by an ectophile were regarding> > the privacy issues, and had nothing to do with Obama.> >> > See you all in a few weeks when I get over this whole fiasco.> >> > --jessica _________________________________________________________________ Pimp din egen buddy med buddy Maker http://www.messengerplayground.dk/buddymaker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:25:26 -0000 From: "Henning Rech" Subject: Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) From: "Leonora Christina Skov" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: RE: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) > I am a Danish ectophile and personally, I am fine with both thinly veiled and > not so thinly veiled Obama ads. Danish politics are unfortunately highly > influenced by American politics so the upcoming US election is of utmost > importance to me, too. I guess that applies to all os us no matter where we > are based and I am just really sorry I have zero influence on the events. In > Denmark around 80% of all grown-ups vote, but then Denmark is such a small > country and who cares what 5.5 million people think. I will probabaly never > have the chance to vote for anything as important as the next American > president, but I do wish I had a say and I do believe people should be fined > for not voting. Democracy should never be taken for granted. > > Best, Leonora Very true. But I have to join Paul in my personal opinion that none of the candidates (including those who lost the preelections) excites me too much. While, compared to the current status, it can only improve (OK, Palin excepted, perhaps). In Germany around 80% take part in the parliament elections (the chancelor is not elected by the people but by the parliament). There is no need to register for elections because you are obliged to publicly register your address whenever you move so you get your voting ticket in the mail with all information needed. Again, no reason to apologize for Jessica. Anyone in the world watches these elections. When Obama spoke in Berlin the audience (250.000) was 3 times bigger than for any West German politician ever. Henning ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:29:49 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Emily Bezar - Exchange I just got this a few days ago. I haven't really gotten a chance to listen to it properly, but I can tell I'm going to like this. In some ways it almost seems like a return to Four Walls Bending - or, more specifically, another branch off it. The progressive rock influences are a lot stronger, certainly. More detailed / less ridiculously vague comments when I listen more. In the meantime, thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Fw: Show in SF Sunday 9/21 http://craiglaurancegidney.wordpress.com - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Emily Bezar To: "clgidney@yahoo.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56:07 PM Subject: Show in SF Sunday 9/21 Hi, I wanted to let you know that I'll be performing this Sunday night 9/21 at the Hotel Utah in San Francisco with Alan Lin on violin and Erik Pearson on guitar! We'll be opening for the fantastic NYC songwriter Rachael Sage who is throwing her west-coast CD release party for her great new CD, "Chandelier". I love the Utah....used to play there all the time in the 90s. It's a resonant little wooden jewel-box with an intimate Barbary Coast, vaudeville atmosphere. Here are the details: SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2008 8:00 PM - Emily Bezar / 9:00 PM - Rachael Sage THE HOTEL UTAH 500 4TH ST. AT BRYANT SAN FRANCISCO, CA TICKETS $10/$8 in advance/21&over INFO: (415) 546-6300 http://www.myspace.com/emilybezar http://www.myspace.com/rachaelsage http://www.rachaelsage.com/ http://www.hotelutah.com I also want to tell you that I've added some links on my website to recent reviews of my new album "Exchange" : http://www.emilybezar.com/reviews.asp And my first big interview about "Exchange" just got published on Beppe Colli's Clouds and Clocks webzine....hope you find it somewhat illuminating! http://www.cloudsandclocks.net/interviews/Bezar_interview08.html Thanks again for all the incoming good wishes and we hope to see you on Sunday in San Francisco! love Emily *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* RACHAEL SAGE - BIO Self-taught musician, poet and producer Rachael Sage radiates what MOJO Magazine calls warm, intelligentNY indie charm. An innovative, improvisational keyboardist, she performs over 150 dates a year with her band The Sequins at venues ranging from large festivals to more intimate clubs & theaters throughout North America, Europe and Asia. Sage, who has shared stages with Ani DiFranco, The Animals, Melissa Etheridge and Marshall Crenshaw, was recently named one of the Top 100 Independent Artists Of The Past 15 Years by Performing Songwriter magazine. A Grand Prize-Winner in the John Lennon Songwriting Contest (Rock) as well as a 2-time Independent Music Award Winner, Sage has earned a loyal following for her infectious melodies, poetic lyrics, and often-outrageous, colorful stage banter. Her latest self-produced album, CHANDELIER contains 13 tracks of what Performing Songwriter magazine calls engaging pop arrangements and gripping melodies; focused on the central theme of fragility, it is her most soul-baring work to date. ___________________________ If you'd like to be removed from Emily's mailing list, please respond with REMOVE ME in the subject line. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:40:16 -0700 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: Emily Bezar - Exchange I love this CD!!! Cyoakha, fellow Ectophile and leader of many incarnations of Land of the Blind, always has these interesting ways of describing her music. I am going to take a page from her book to describe Emily's "Exchange". Here goes: "Imagine Kate Bush circa 'The Dreaming' channeling Keith Jarrett while jamming with the renowned Canterbury jazz-rock prog band Hatfield and the North." I actually think I may have already said something like this in the past about Emily. But there you go... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of morayati@email.unc.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:30 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Emily Bezar - Exchange I just got this a few days ago. I haven't really gotten a chance to listen to it properly, but I can tell I'm going to like this. In some ways it almost seems like a return to Four Walls Bending - or, more specifically, another branch off it. The progressive rock influences are a lot stronger, certainly. More detailed / less ridiculously vague comments when I listen more. In the meantime, thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:53:33 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Emily Bezar - Exchange Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. tim On 9/16/08 5:29 PM, "morayati@email.unc.edu" wrote: > I just got this a few days ago. I haven't really gotten a chance to > listen to it properly, but I can tell I'm going to like this. In some > ways it almost seems like a return to Four Walls Bending - or, more > specifically, another branch off it. The progressive rock influences > are a lot stronger, certainly. > > More detailed / less ridiculously vague comments when I listen more. In > the meantime, thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:14:33 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: politics & voting & music (and squeeze) Sander wrote: > Do realize that from the perspective of the silent majority here, all > we're seeing is three very reasonable emails with (pretty much) > unnecessary apologies. > I understand that you've gotten a couple of personal emails, but y'know, > proclaiming myself spokes-person for the silent majority (at least for > such time until a vocal minority objects to me doing that) :), there was > no fiasco. Just an honest mistake with good intentions, and we're all > friends here, so apologies really aren't necessary. What he said :) Just wanted to ad that I was not in the slightest bothered by the whole 'thing' which to be honest I didn't give a second thought until now. Anyhow as we've seen as recently as the thread about subsidies for Canadian artists, what governments we elect does have real implications in our world, even in that little Ecto corner of our lives. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #605 ***************************