From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #584 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, August 25 2008 Volume 13 : Number 584 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat" ["Allison Crowe Music" ] Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat" [birdie ] Thea Gilmore (ws Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat") [Ellen Rawson Subject: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat" Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, and pretty well any and every international source you'll find describes Joni Mitchell as Canadian - and that may be for the reasons of her roots and the fact she is, legally, a Canadian (dual) citizen and resident. As is noted in an article on JoniMitchell.com: "Mitchell has kept her Canadian citizenship and has, since 1970, owned a home on 40 acres of land near Sechelt, a 90-minute drive north of Vancouver, where she pens most of her songs. 'All this time, [Canadians] have treated me like an expatriate. But I'm a Canadian resident. Nobody knows that'." The fact that identifies herself as Canadian that is, to me, the best reason to consider her a Canuck. From another, recent, article: "Ms. Mitchell said she still finds solace on the 40-acre property she's owned since the early 1970s on British Columbia's rugged Sunshine Coast, where she tries to go for a few months every spring and fall. 'L.A. is my workplace, B.C. is my heartbeat,' she said. But even that is in danger from a British company that wants to pave a bit of her paradise by building a $100-million industrial rock mine not far from her home north of Sechelt. The B.C. government has approved the plan pending an environmental impact study, due next year. Ms. Mitchell said the 4,000 people who signed a petition to keep the mine out have been painted by the government and business press as 'just a bunch of farmers and rich retirees who don't know what we're talking about. It's sickening, really.' And while she still sees herself as a Canadian first - she is both a Canadian and U.S. citizen - Ms. Mitchell believes the country is sliding dangerously close to assimilation with the U.S., politically, economically and culturally. 'Canada has got a bad case of Americanitis,' she said. 'Our governments have become too impressed with America. It's safer sometimes to stand back a bit from the big guys'." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:22:21 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat" p.s. typing on the fly, always leaves something out, in this instance, the word "Joni" - I meant to say - that, well beyond any legal basis, it's the fact that Joni Mitchell identifies herself as Canadian that answers that question there may be public figures who don't know who they are - Joni's not among them! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:52:25 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat" I was raised brit/american and have dual citizenship - What generally happens is you get tagged for life with your place of birth.... which is, I think, left over from days long gone when people migrated rarely (pre jet age). One of my oldest friends was born in lebanon, schooled in switzerland, raised part time in france, speaks 5 languages, and has lived in Los Angeles for 30 years. He is as american as it gets - a complete melting pot of many cultures. when you are dealing with people who entertain, globally, you wind up with an interesting group of people who are adept at communicating and being an influence in many lands and places... I think that if you are culturally correct - say - are from the middle east and play sufi music....then you are representing the culture from which you come from... if you are Joni and you do an album called "Ladies of the Canyon" about Laurel Canyon early 70's LA...and sing songs about California and so on... Then, you've got a canadian who took this place to heart and totally bonded with it. I am sure her spring/fall place gives her space to clear her head and write....reflect... LA pretty much causes brain melt hahaha and cooler climes are best for writing....it's true. She records here and does her painting here.... I wonder what the latest is on the mine.... anyway... Most of her influences have been american musicians and she does like to dip into many things not natively canadian.... So, I wouldn't say that she is an ambassador of canadian culture...such as canadian folk music. The shoe would be too small a fit. The jet set age changed people, all over the world.... national labels and national borders are by and large just labels.... culturally, Joni is abit canuck, abit santa barbara, abit laurel canyon..... it's a great thread and I understand her attraction to all....and to jazz. it's just not so easy to put a label on people who mix it all up. :-) On Aug 24, 2008, at 1:08 AM, Allison Crowe Music wrote: > Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, and pretty well any and every > international source you'll find describes Joni Mitchell as Canadian - > and that may be for the reasons of her roots and the fact she is, > legally, a Canadian (dual) citizen and resident. As is noted in an > article on JoniMitchell.com: > > "Mitchell has kept her Canadian citizenship and has, since 1970, > owned a > home on 40 acres of land near Sechelt, a 90-minute drive north of > Vancouver, where she pens most of her songs. 'All this time, > [Canadians] > have treated me like an expatriate. But I'm a Canadian resident. > Nobody > knows that'." > > The fact that identifies herself as Canadian that is, to me, the best > reason to consider her a Canuck. From another, recent, article: > > "Ms. Mitchell said she still finds solace on the 40-acre property > she's > owned since the early 1970s on British Columbia's rugged Sunshine > Coast, > where she tries to go for a few months every spring and fall. 'L.A. is > my workplace, B.C. is my heartbeat,' she said. > But even that is in danger from a British company that wants to pave a > bit of her paradise by building a $100-million industrial rock mine > not > far from her home north of Sechelt. The B.C. government has approved > the > plan pending an environmental impact study, due next year. > > Ms. Mitchell said the 4,000 people who signed a petition to keep the > mine out have been painted by the government and business press as > 'just > a bunch of farmers and rich retirees who don't know what we're talking > about. It's sickening, really.' > > And while she still sees herself as a Canadian first - she is both a > Canadian and U.S. citizen - Ms. Mitchell believes the country is > sliding > dangerously close to assimilation with the U.S., politically, > economically and culturally. > > 'Canada has got a bad case of Americanitis,' she said. 'Our > governments > have become too impressed with America. It's safer sometimes to stand > back a bit from the big guys'." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:59:36 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat" I don't know haha that could all change in a heatbeat if the canuck gov. doesn't straighten up and stop acting like bush wanna be's... It's as if the country is starting to have an identity crisis.... all that hip cred is getting run over by conservatives up there.... it's really bad news... On Aug 24, 2008, at 1:22 AM, Allison Crowe Music wrote: > p.s. typing on the fly, always leaves something out, in this instance, > the word "Joni" - I meant to say - that, well beyond any legal basis, > it's the fact that Joni Mitchell identifies herself as Canadian that > answers that question > > there may be public figures who don't know who they are - Joni's not > among them! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Thea Gilmore (ws Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat") - --- On Sun, 8/24/08, birdie wrote: > I was raised brit/american and have dual citizenship - > > What generally happens is you get tagged for life with your > place of > birth.... In my experience, it's my accent (the fact that I emigrated when I was almost 40, which, for me, made losing the US accent more difficult to achieve, although it's softened quite a bit; I'm often mistaken for Canadian, which I take as a compliment :) that tags me as a US citizen, although it's nice to be able to flash such folks the British passport. I've been curious regarding Thea Gilmore and the local music festival she founded; I've been feeling rather ignorant as I can't recall it. Which one did she create? Ellen, who really is impressed with 'Liejacker' and who was disappointed by 'Harpo's Ghost' and 'Avalanche'. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:56:25 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Thea Gilmore (ws Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat") From Thea... Sunday, August 17, 2008 (blog) A Festival! And a one-off gig. I wanted to be the first to tell you about a new festival that I'm part of. Seem to remember some singer/songwriter at some point talking about having looked at life from both sides now... well as of October I'll be able to make that boast about festivals, if not about life. (Well, Joni does have a few years on me...) To come to the point I am - along with Nigel and our jaunty violin- toting compadre Fluff -launching an all-new, small but perfectly formed festival in our corner of Cheshire. The event's called Words And Music - our new website is now up at www.wordsandmusicfestival.com and as you'll see if you check it out, we've managed to entice some of our favourite people and best mates over to town for the weekend of 9th to 12th October. Eliza Carthy, Bob Harris and Mark Radcliffe - to name but three - will be flying the flag for 'Music' - though words will be in there too, as Bob is hosting a special night where he trades stories from his 40 year career in the business, (and believe me has plenty to tell!!) and Mark will be reading from his new book. And coming very much from the wordy place, we also have Don Paterson, a simply amazing poet from Scotland (his incredible work "The Book Of Shadows" has been my bedside companion for over a year now), who'll be reading his work and also playing jazz guitar (at which he's also damn good by the way) and we have a bunch of other acoustic sessions, fringe events at different venues in the town,and even writing competitions lined up. Events are individually priced, there's no overall weekend ticket. It's a whole new venture for us. None of us have any track record as promoters but this is a festival organised by musicians for musicians to come and play it, and for lovers of music to come and savour - and hopefully to watch grow. So we we hope to mix the old and the new, the famous and the unheard- of -yet, the logical and the bizarre, and...well, the words and the music. And I'm going to be launching the weekend with what will be my only North West gig for many many months. I'll be playing a special acoustic show at the Crown Ballroom in the centre of Nantwich on the opening night , i.e. Thursday October 9th. Tickets are going on sale this week. I'm going to be away for much of the next year having musical fun in the US, so if you're in the mood to check out our new set before we take it across the pond, get in there as they say. I really hope to see some of you at the gig.. and I'll be running around town all weekend trying to make sure everything rolls out as planned, so feel free to come and say hi. til next time. xx On Aug 24, 2008, at 3:30 AM, Ellen Rawson wrote: > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, birdie wrote: > > >> I was raised brit/american and have dual citizenship - >> >> What generally happens is you get tagged for life with your >> place of >> birth.... > > In my experience, it's my accent (the fact that I emigrated when I > was almost 40, which, for me, made losing the US accent more > difficult to achieve, although it's softened quite a bit; I'm often > mistaken for Canadian, which I take as a compliment :) that tags me > as a US citizen, although it's nice to be able to flash such folks > the British passport. > > I've been curious regarding Thea Gilmore and the local music > festival she founded; I've been feeling rather ignorant as I can't > recall it. Which one did she create? > > Ellen, who really is impressed with 'Liejacker' and who was > disappointed by 'Harpo's Ghost' and 'Avalanche'. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Thea Gilmore (ws Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat") - --- On Sun, 8/24/08, birdie wrote: > To come to the point I am - along with Nigel and our jaunty > violin- > toting compadre Fluff -launching an all-new, small but > perfectly > formed festival in our corner of Cheshire. The event's > called Words > And Music - our new website is now up at > www.wordsandmusicfestival.com Lovely! I'd missed that announcement. Too bad it's in mid-October (not half term) and I'll be teaching. Alas, the venue is about a four-hour drive each way, too far to make Thea's show on the Thursday (and teach first thing on Friday :), and we have tickets to see David Tennant in 'Love's Labours Lost' that Saturday in Stratford, so we can't make Eliza Carthy's show on the Saturday. But it sounds great for the people up that way. On the other hand, we are planning on catching Canadian artist Annabelle Chvostek (ex-Wailin' Jenny) next month at a venue literally right down the road. :) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:07:52 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Thea Gilmore (ws Re: Joni Mitchell's "heartbeat") and did you notice...she mentioned, Joni funny! and yes the accent thing is always amusing..... Take Barbra - she can speak in these soft dulcet california tones and then....belt out with a big honkin' brooklyn accent..... Often, singers (or people) with perfect pitch can mimic any accent... Joni's voice has changed over all, but she still draws her vowels out, and does that little question mark kinda thing that is trademark, canadian, altho I think that came over from scotland, with "eh?" When Joni first came to the states, it was waaaay cooler to be canadian....and now the place is getting trashed just like the US.... There is no real division... It's all politics. cheers Birdie On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Ellen Rawson wrote: > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, birdie wrote: > > >> To come to the point I am - along with Nigel and our jaunty >> violin- >> toting compadre Fluff -launching an all-new, small but >> perfectly >> formed festival in our corner of Cheshire. The event's >> called Words >> And Music - our new website is now up at >> www.wordsandmusicfestival.com > > Lovely! I'd missed that announcement. Too bad it's in mid-October > (not half term) and I'll be teaching. Alas, the venue is about a > four-hour drive each way, too far to make Thea's show on the > Thursday (and teach first thing on Friday :), and we have tickets to > see David Tennant in 'Love's Labours Lost' that Saturday in > Stratford, so we can't make Eliza Carthy's show on the Saturday. > > But it sounds great for the people up that way. > > On the other hand, we are planning on catching Canadian artist > Annabelle Chvostek (ex-Wailin' Jenny) next month at a venue > literally right down the road. :) > > Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:05:22 EDT From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: The EveryDay Angels Foundation is gearing up for Project Warmth 2008/09 In case any of you wish to participate (as an organizer, performer, or volunteer). Living Room Concerts are great for Project Warmth events as well. I am going out of town in a few days so you can email me (but may have to wait a bit for a reply) or our coordinator Melanie (see below)... The EveryDay Angels Foundation (EDAF) has established Project Warmth to help address the needs of so many people literally left "out in the cold" each winter. The concept is simple: collect coat and blanket donations as the "cost" of admission to a concert, show, sporting event, or party, and distribute them to those in need. Some companies have also held Project Warmth clothing drives as a week long event. For our sixth consecutive year, the EDAF will sponsor Project Warmth events nationwide throughout the winter so that people in need may have more than just a blanket of snow to keep them warm. Our first Project Warmth concert was held eight years ago and featured Jason Mraz. Since then over 30 more artists and bands - including Rachael Sage, Allison Crowe, Adam Ezra, and Randi Driscoll as well as other visionaries - have leant us their talents, time, and expertise. We are in the process of gathering interested artists and organizers to collaborate with on Project Warmth shows this winter. Instead of a cover charge we will ask attendees to bring a warm coat or blanket as their admission "fee". These donations will then be distributed to local shelters and/or agencies that will see that they get directly into the hands of those who desperately need them to keep warm this winter. This includes homeless adults and children as well as abuse victims and runaways. You also have the option of asking attendees to bring old towels, blankets and pet supplies to be donated to local animal shelters. Artists are encouraged to sell their cd's and any other promo items they would like to help defray their costs and spread their music. We will help to promote and advertise your show as well as provide a layout for programs. If you are willing to explore the possibility of presenting a Project Warmth event, please send an email to our Project Warmth National Coordinator Melanie Cobb at mcobb517@optonline.net and let us know what you have in mind. If you already have a show or event planned that you would like to turn into a Project Warmth event, great! If not, we can work together to come up with a date and venue. You can get more details on our website www.EveryDayAngels.org. Click on "Project Warmth programs" for specifics and FAQ's. We hope you will join us this winter as we work to blanket the country with benefit concerts and events for our sixth consecutive year. 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Yeah, this'll be a carefully crafted review :) The quieter songs have fallen out of my head, but: Jimi's "Are you experienced?" rocked when she put a leg on the monitor and enquired as to our experience, and rocked as she squawked a clarinet solo; "Beneath the Southern Cross" built up into its glorious peak, rocking in a more nuanced manner; "Ghost dance" ("we shall live again") rocked, with touches of a Quaker sing-a-long or other such niceness; "Because the night" and "People have the power" demonstrably rocked because people punched the air (the official symptom of rockingness); "Free money" totally rocked, trouncing all the songs that merely rocked, with Lenny Kaye in his black punk t-shirt and tight black stove pipes and gray hair rocking out; "Smells like Teen Spirit" was sad and gorgeous and rocking ("my libido, my libido, my libido" - she emphasized that rather than "a denial, a denial, a denial"); oddly, they were joined on this number by Sam Bush on mandolin and the brilliant Jerry Douglas on dobro. Did Patty think "hmm, he plays with Alison Krauss's Union Station - he'll be just right for Nirvana." It worked, since everything is dominated by Patty. and finally, "Gloria," which is so cool that of course it rocks. "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." no "Dancing barefoot" or "Rock and roll nigger" :( After spelling G-L-O-R-I-A, Patty attempted to spell out New York - "N - - E - Y." She stopped and cracked up. "If you see me walking down the stairs into the subway and my shoelace is undone, tap me on the shoulder and say 'Patty, your shoelace is undone', because I'm clumsy." There was a mad punk-dancing 80-year-old, white beard jutting up and down as he flung himself about. Cute. Patty's so cool and (yes) rocking that I don't mind the preaching and lack of subtlety and pretentiousness and odd laughable lines and self-importance. She harnesses such power and passion through the music. I tuned out a bit during some of the slower songs :) Yey free summer concerts. Boo lack of free autumn concerts. What a whiner - want free stuff all year, wah. K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:33:31 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Patti Smith & band at Damrosch Park 24th karen if I had money - I'd pay you to go any show you want just so I could hear about them from you! :-) Birdie On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Karen Hester wrote: > It rocked, man. Yeah, this'll be a carefully crafted review :) > > The quieter songs have fallen out of my head, but: > Jimi's "Are you experienced?" rocked when she put a leg on the monitor > and enquired as to our experience, and rocked as she squawked a > clarinet solo; > "Beneath the Southern Cross" built up into its glorious peak, rocking > in a more nuanced manner; > "Ghost dance" ("we shall live again") rocked, with touches of a Quaker > sing-a-long or other such niceness; > "Because the night" and "People have the power" demonstrably rocked > because people punched the air (the official symptom of rockingness); > "Free money" totally rocked, trouncing all the songs that merely > rocked, with Lenny Kaye in his black punk t-shirt and tight black > stove pipes and gray hair rocking out; > "Smells like Teen Spirit" was sad and gorgeous and rocking ("my > libido, my libido, my libido" - she emphasized that rather than "a > denial, a denial, a denial"); oddly, they were joined on this number > by Sam Bush on mandolin and the brilliant Jerry Douglas on dobro. Did > Patty think "hmm, he plays with Alison Krauss's Union Station - he'll > be just right for Nirvana." It worked, since everything is dominated > by Patty. > and finally, "Gloria," which is so cool that of course it rocks. > "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." > no "Dancing barefoot" or "Rock and roll nigger" :( > > After spelling G-L-O-R-I-A, Patty attempted to spell out New York - "N > - E - Y." She stopped and cracked up. > > "If you see me walking down the stairs into the subway and my shoelace > is undone, tap me on the shoulder and say 'Patty, your shoelace is > undone', because I'm clumsy." > > There was a mad punk-dancing 80-year-old, white beard jutting up and > down as he flung himself about. Cute. > > Patty's so cool and (yes) rocking that I don't mind the preaching and > lack of subtlety and pretentiousness and odd laughable lines and > self-importance. She harnesses such power and passion through the > music. I tuned out a bit during some of the slower songs :) > > Yey free summer concerts. Boo lack of free autumn concerts. What a > whiner - want free stuff all year, wah. > K. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #584 ***************************