From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #582 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, August 23 2008 Volume 13 : Number 582 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists ["Henning Rech" ] Sarah Fimm and Pandora [Eric Volker ] Re: The influence of Liz Phair: article in yesterday's Guardian [morayati] RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists ["Michael Quinn" <] RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists ["Michael Quinn" <] Re: The influence of Liz Phair: article in yesterday's Guardian ["Aly-Nei] RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists ["Michael Quinn" <] Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists [birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Tori Amos (no Email address) *********************** ********************** Sam Warren (no Email address) ********************** *********** Henk Van Wulpen (Henk.VanWulpen@CS.kuleuven.ac.be) ************ ******************* Kerry White (kerrywhite@webtv.net) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Kerry White Wed August 22 1951 Exact Leo/Virgo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo Jason Gordon Tue September 07 1976 monkey collector David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols Wed September 11 1963 Sic Luceat Lux Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:40:32 -0000 From: "Henning Rech" Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists From: "birdie" > I am quite sure Vede Hille was an artist who was supported by this - Indeed, she told me this year that her European tours are based on this funding. Bad news. Henning ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists But hey, they can always get on the new 50%+ Canadian porn channel, right? They certainly have the time for it now! Sigh. - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:21:14 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: The influence of Liz Phair: article in yesterday's Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/20/popandrock.women Kind of interesting.B I came relatively late to this album and, being unfamiliar with the Stones' record, just thought it was good dirty fun.B Never understand how someone can write an article like this and mention Laura Marling over Thea Gilmore or Carina Round, but I guess it's whoever has the better press agent, which kind of misses the point.B But I am biased... Adam K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:11:05 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists This is a good time for eveyone to adjust their thinking caps and brainstorm about how to proceed... I would say, tour in groups - share expenses - more camping (haha) and self sufficiency ( fueled by chinese restaurant grease!)...ummm...less self indulgent anything (lyrics, drugs, etc)....more better music and music that resonates and connects with people... playing locally and creating a scene.... community building (start you're own local music festival a la Thea Gilmour! or House Concerts,Open Mike, etc)... Artists can spend more time writing, co-writing, and honing their songs and craft....creating their own music, selling online, etc and becoming more innovative and interesting live! Live shows..really need to be well rehearsed and produced....no matter what as the price of going out (as audience or artist) has risen dramatically, and playing poorly or not having the best live show you can do will leave a bigger bad taste in peoples mouths....if they are disappointed as everything costs more now... SO.....I think it may be like facing a long winter.... Cheers Birdie On Aug 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Doug wrote: > But hey, they can always get on the new 50%+ Canadian porn channel, > right? They certainly have the time for it now! Sigh. > > --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:43:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists Or... Everyone suspends operations. Like... NO live gigs for a month, anywhere. NO theater. NO independent films. NO art openings. LOTS of press releases... Who knows. Maybe the world will be happy with nothing but monster truck races and mutations of Survivor. But it's unlikely. brni > This is a good time for eveyone to adjust their thinking caps and brainstorm > about how to proceed... > > I would say, tour in groups - share expenses - more camping (haha) and self > sufficiency ( fueled by chinese restaurant grease!)...ummm...less self > indulgent anything (lyrics, drugs, etc)....more better music and music that > resonates and connects with people... > > playing locally and creating a scene.... community building (start you're own > local music festival a la Thea Gilmour! or House Concerts,Open Mike, etc)... > > Artists can spend more time writing, co-writing, and honing their songs and > craft....creating their own music, selling online, etc and becoming more > innovative and interesting live! > > Live shows..really need to be well rehearsed and produced....no matter what > as the price of going out (as audience or artist) has risen dramatically, and > playing poorly or not having the best live show you can do will leave a > bigger bad taste in peoples mouths....if they are disappointed as everything > costs more now... > > SO.....I think it may be like facing a long winter.... > > Cheers > > Birdie > > On Aug 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Doug wrote: > >> But hey, they can always get on the new 50%+ Canadian porn channel, >> right? They certainly have the time for it now! Sigh. >> >> --Doug - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:23:19 -0500 From: Eric Volker Subject: Sarah Fimm and Pandora I recently started listening to Pandora again after the service became available for free to iPhone owners. I've heard a couple of songs by Sarah Fimm that sound very good. I usually listen at work, though, and can't really separate the lyrics from the music. I also understand that Sarah has, shall we say, a pottymouth. Is the rest of her music worth putting up with the obscene lyrics? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:23:36 -0500 From: Eric Volker Subject: Sarah Fimm and Pandora I recently started listening to Pandora again after the service became available for free to iPhone owners. I've heard a couple of songs by Sarah Fimm that sound very good. I usually listen at work, though, and can't really separate the lyrics from the music. I also understand that Sarah has, shall we say, a pottymouth. Is the rest of her music worth putting up with the obscene lyrics? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:29:39 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: The influence of Liz Phair: article in yesterday's Guardian I read that. Pleased to see so many Ecto names in the press, although there are a few glaring omissions - see below. Carina Round wouldn't be mentioned in an article like this because it's about Female Confessional Singer/Songwriters as a niche. Carina Round's closer to the Female Rock Musician niche that the press keeps forgetting about. A lot of these divisions are completely arbitrary, of course, but it's what music articles work with, and frankly the existence of this piece is a nice plus in itself. I happen to like Laura Marling a lot, though, FWIW. - -Sarah Quoting Adam Kimmel : > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/20/popandrock.women > > Kind of interesting.B I came relatively late to this album and, > being unfamiliar with the Stones' record, just thought it was good > dirty fun.B Never understand how someone can write an article like > this and mention Laura Marling over Thea Gilmore or Carina Round, but > I guess it's whoever has the better press agent, which kind of misses > the point.B > > But I am biased... > > Adam K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:40:31 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists Ugh...Our current government really sucks. I think they may be even worse than the Bush government. This is yet another reason for me to hate them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of neal copperman Sent: August-22-08 1:16 AM To: ecto Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists That is going to be a huge blow. I just had a Canadian band staying with me last weekend and they were raving about the travel subsidies. They have gotten to Australia several times, with more then half of the cost paid for, allowing them to actually make money on some of their trips. Virtually every Canadian artist I met is able to tour because of government subsidies. And we have seen tours cancelled and cut short when other countries have not awarded tour support that has been awarded in the past. :( neal On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:40 PM, birdie wrote: > I am quite sure Vede Hille was an artist who was supported by this - > dunno about Jane Siberry and company, but it looks like Canadians will > have to fill seats or find other sources of funding....singing for > burger & beer commericals or network TV shows.....etc > I am pretty certain Leonard Cohen stands on his own two feet and won't > be affected > With the price of fuel/food and airfare, um...maybe we'll see more > canadians move to the states now....Birdie > Tories cut funding for artists touring abroad > > August 8, 2008 > Tories cut funding for artists touring abroad > By Karine Fortin, THE CANADIAN PRESS > OTTAWA - The Conservative government has announced it will no longer > fund a federal program that subsidizes international promotional tours > of Canadian artists. > > Foreign Affairs officials confirmed Friday that PromArt will lose its > $4.7-million budget next spring, effectively killing the program. > > They attempted to play down reports that claimed the decision was > motivated by ideological differences with many of the recipients. > > "More than anything it's a budget decision," said Anne Howland, a > spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Minister David Emerson. > > "The government is committed to a more disciplined approach to > managing spending." > > But Howland didn't deny that the ideological leanings of some > recipients did figure in the decision. > > "Certainly we felt some of the groups were not necessarily ones we > thought Canadians would agree were the best choices to be representing > them internationally," she said. > > Pressed for an example of those who failed to meet such a requirement, > Howland cited a Toronto-based experimental rock band. > > "I don't even want to say it (their name) on the phone," she said. > "Holy F , that was one that was flagged." > > Holy F**k's second album was nominated for a Juno award and the group > has been shortlisted for the $20,000 Polaris Music Prize. > > Les Grand Ballets Canadiens de Montreal, author Gwynne Dyer and former > CBC broadcaster Avi Lewis are among others who have received funding > from the program. > > "Some of the groups we felt had little to do with our foreign policy, > or how Canadians would want us to be perceived abroad," Howland said. > > Alain Dancyger, the head of the Les Grand Ballets Canadiens, called > the decision a catastrophe for both artist groups and Canada's image > abroad. > > "Abolishing this program is the equivalent of killing the entire > culture market abroad," he said from Paris, where the ballet troupe > has been performing with the help of PromArt funding. > > Opposition parties said the funding cut is further proof of the > rigidly conservative line taken by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's > government. > > The NDP compared the Tories' decision to axe PromArt with bill C-10, > their attempt to retroactively strip tax credits from films the > heritage minister deems "offensive or not in the public interest." > > "These all seem to indicate concerns that are based in personal taste > and conservative ideology, rather than in how to best reflect the > diversity of culture in Canada and how best to represent Canadian > cultural expression," said Bill Siksay, the NDP's culture and heritage > critic. > > He also questioned the political wisdom behind the move, given the > Tories face three fall byelections, two of which are in Quebec. > > "It really does seem to play to the most right wing part of the > Conservative Party," Siksay said. > > "It doesn't strike me as a strong political strategy for a government > that is facing re-election and byelections." > > The government defended itself from accusations it is leaving Canadian > artists out to dry by removing an important avenue for promoting their > work abroad. > > "We are still supporting arts funding, including international arts > promotion," said Howland, though she was unable to provide specific > examples. > > "Obviously the department is interested in continuing to support > Canadian artists and entrepreneurs abroad through our network of > missions and cultural representatives." > > ) The Canadian Press 2008 > > Related Items ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:41:31 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists But I think music as art SHOULD be self indulgent (as in you're doing it mainly for your own enjoyment) if you just start being mainly motivated by whether you will connect with fans and trying, above all, to make something other people will like, it risks turning in to a low budget version of bad mainstream corporate music. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of birdie Sent: August-22-08 11:11 AM Cc: ecto Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists This is a good time for eveyone to adjust their thinking caps and brainstorm about how to proceed... I would say, tour in groups - share expenses - more camping (haha) and self sufficiency ( fueled by chinese restaurant grease!)...ummm...less self indulgent anything (lyrics, drugs, etc)....more better music and music that resonates and connects with people... playing locally and creating a scene.... community building (start you're own local music festival a la Thea Gilmour! or House Concerts,Open Mike, etc)... Artists can spend more time writing, co-writing, and honing their songs and craft....creating their own music, selling online, etc and becoming more innovative and interesting live! Live shows..really need to be well rehearsed and produced....no matter what as the price of going out (as audience or artist) has risen dramatically, and playing poorly or not having the best live show you can do will leave a bigger bad taste in peoples mouths....if they are disappointed as everything costs more now... SO.....I think it may be like facing a long winter.... Cheers Birdie On Aug 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Doug wrote: > But hey, they can always get on the new 50%+ Canadian porn channel, > right? They certainly have the time for it now! Sigh. > > --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:45:54 -0400 From: "Aly-Neil Fields" Subject: Re: The influence of Liz Phair: article in yesterday's Guardian Thanks for posting this... Exile in Guyville is and was a huge influence on me in terms of music and writing... One day you ectophiles will be saying, "oh look, another clone!" ;) Very glad to see mention of Laura Nyro and Judee Sill in the article as influences (they are both so often overlooked), as well as (obv) Kate... I wouldn't say Tori Amos was influenced or enabled by Liz, though. I mean, you can see parallels there and with Alanis it's clear, but I don't really think Tori and Liz are that closely related. Then again, I'm not into Tori, so... On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Adam Kimmel wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/20/popandrock.women > > Kind of interesting.B I came relatively late to this album and, being > unfamiliar with the Stones' record, just thought it was good dirty fun.B > Never understand how someone can write an article like this and mention > Laura Marling over Thea Gilmore or Carina Round, but I guess it's whoever > has the better press agent, which kind of misses the point.B > > But I am biased... > > Adam K. > - -- NP: "Cooling the Medium," Martha and the Muffins. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:38:09 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists But I think music as art SHOULD be self indulgent (as in you're doing it mainly for your own enjoyment) if you just start being mainly motivated by whether you will connect with fans and trying, above all, to make something other people will like it risks turning in to a low budget version of bad mainstream corporate music. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of birdie Sent: August-22-08 11:11 AM Cc: ecto Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists This is a good time for eveyone to adjust their thinking caps and brainstorm about how to proceed... I would say, tour in groups - share expenses - more camping (haha) and self sufficiency ( fueled by chinese restaurant grease!)...ummm...less self indulgent anything (lyrics, drugs, etc)....more better music and music that resonates and connects with people... playing locally and creating a scene.... community building (start you're own local music festival a la Thea Gilmour! or House Concerts,Open Mike, etc)... Artists can spend more time writing, co-writing, and honing their songs and craft....creating their own music, selling online, etc and becoming more innovative and interesting live! Live shows..really need to be well rehearsed and produced....no matter what as the price of going out (as audience or artist) has risen dramatically, and playing poorly or not having the best live show you can do will leave a bigger bad taste in peoples mouths....if they are disappointed as everything costs more now... SO.....I think it may be like facing a long winter.... Cheers Birdie On Aug 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Doug wrote: > But hey, they can always get on the new 50%+ Canadian porn channel, > right? They certainly have the time for it now! Sigh. > > --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:04 -0700 From: birdie Subject: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists > the reality is that, and I am going to trip you up here... but it's > worth it... > > the reality is that most people play music recreationally - just for > fun. > > In their bedrooms, around the campfire, in their own livingroom. > > for fun. > > Fun and make a living at it professional are often 2 totally > different things. > > Is fun playing that same hit song for 20 years??? > > That isn't self indulgent - that's the way pro's make a living > > So, for the serious musician and I mean the indie's - they need to > start focusing on things like...making their music available for > sale as sheet music, so all those people who play "just for fun" > staring in the mirror at home, pretending to be a pop star......can > have their fun. > > The non pro non creatives - are copy cats - they either play songs > of others they love or they create new ones using formula's and > hooks that are well worn...the latter are generally songwriters > employed by publishing companies to feed whatever the pop star of > the month flavor is...or....was.. > > This is where....madonna was a hot so the labels wanted more music > like her's - cos they had a market and it was selling, so they > started making clones... rap music, heavy metal, all those massive > trends went that way.... > > It is healthier (and why not!) to reinvent Tin Pan Alley and sell > your music online as downloadable sheet music, as a way of sharing > it with the zillions of bedroom based musicians now flooding youtube. > > The labels can't keep doing what they did in the 90's etc... > > Thats done, they will kill themselves off if they keep up the clone > business....there is more security in having a selection of quality > & variety than a bunch of knock-off copy cat hair bands. > > So, let's cheer! > > But at the same time, acknowledge that there are more bedroom > musicians than ever and they are not writers and they are playing > JUST FOR FUN and other peoples music..... > > Yes, most of them probably should stay in their bedrooms and not > take their act down to the local coffee house...but....a few of them > will no doubt think they are so cute, they can go play sloppy Beach > Boys songs with a nylon 6 string and get away with it....down at > the local starbucks. hehehe good vibrations ya'll. > > On the otherhand, a great cover done by real talent is > fantastic....and everybody pretty much starts off by learning songs > someone else wrote..... > > So, that copy cat thing has a real place in the world and we need a > new Tin Pan Alley on the internet to help spread the music and share > it among musicians...bedroom or Hollywood Bowl. > > No harm there....Feist songs around the campfire are very very cool. > everyone can sing along... yep, thats what makes a hit! > > But, successful acts - professionals - are stand out original > talents who inspire copy cats and this will always be the case - > corporate music labels or not.... > > If it's music that strikes a chord with other people, they'll want > to play it, too.... > > and SO many themes are universal.... > > we are all one big human family, and sometimes being self indulgent > just means being in denial about that!! > > any of you lovely original indies out there....bring on the sheet > music!!!!! sell it on your websites! > > Cheers > > Birdie > > > On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Michael Quinn wrote: > >> But I think music as art SHOULD be self indulgent (as in you're >> doing it >> mainly for your own enjoyment) if you just start being mainly >> motivated by >> whether you will connect with fans and trying, above all, to make >> something >> other people will like it risks turning in to a low budget version >> of bad >> mainstream corporate music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:12 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists Agreed. I live in Canada, too, and it's just getting worse. We pay a 100% tax (or something ridiculous like that) on alcohol and tobacco which is supposed to support our socialised health care system. But the system is a shambles. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Quinn To: 'ecto' Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Canadian gov. cuts off funding for touring artists Ugh...Our current government really sucks. I think they may be even worse than the Bush government. This is yet another reason for me to hate them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:55:18 -0400 From: DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Lindi Ortega gets signed I've been a fan of Lindi's since she issued her "Taste of Forbidden Fruit" CD in 2002. Since then her style has evolved to somewhat more upbeat pop but I love her voice and have remained a fan. Last year I saw her perform at The Bitter End in NYC to an audience of maybe 6 people including me, my wife and the friend Lindi brought with her from Toronto. Well it seems her fortunes have changed, as she has just signed a record deal in L.A. with Cherrytree-Interscope. These days there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical when a favorite artist gets signed to a major, but that's the same label as Feist so I hope they manage to provide Lindi with the same kind of success since that is clearly her wish. It will be interesting to see how she fares in the next little while. www.myspace.com/lindimusic Dan ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #582 ***************************