From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #546 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, July 16 2008 Volume 13 : Number 546 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Rating Vienna Teng Music [Steve Molla ] Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music ["Jon Wesley Huff" ] Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music ["Jon Wesley Huff" ] Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music [CollectedSounds ] Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music [CollectedSounds ] Kay Hanley [Doug ] Re: Kay Hanley [Greg Dunn ] "The Post-great album letdown" ["Michael Quinn" ] Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music [Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Rating Vienna Teng Music I don't recall anyone comparing the 3 CDs by Vienna Teng, so I decided to post. Basically, given that she is currently working on her 4th album, I'm curious about what people think about them and how they stand up to each other. Waking Hour ========== To me, this collection is a masterpiece. It's rare that I can pull out a 7 year old CD, and play the entire thing without any desire to skip a song. Both musically and lyrically, it just does not get any better than this. 10 stars. My favorite part is from "Between", when she says; there once was a time I was sure of the bond when my hands and my tongue and my thoughts were enough Warm Strangers ============ It took me a bit longer to "warm up" to this CD, but I came around. It has a more "produced" sound to it, and I do still enjoy nearly every song on the CD. For the longest time, I totally ignored the a capella "Passage", but when I finally did give it the attention it deserved, it's message pulled me in several different directions. But really, this CD is excellent. 9 stars. Dreaming Through The Noise ===================== I think Vienna skipped the beat a bit with this one. Sure, there are some songs that are excellent (e.g. City Hall) and clever (1br/1ba), but some of the songs seem a bit forced, or just not what I would normally expect, given her previous 2 efforts. 5 stars. Regardless, I have high hopes for the new CD, and will be picking it up the week that it is released. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:36:29 -0500 From: "Jon Wesley Huff" Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music I would rate and compare the CDs almost exactly the same. It has felt a bit like a case of diminishing returns with Vienna since her first album,though the second one really did grow on me. I have to say her third album REALLY disappointed me though. I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Steve Molla wrote: > I don't recall anyone comparing the 3 CDs by Vienna Teng, so I > decided to post. Basically, given that she is currently working on > her 4th album, I'm curious about what people think about them and how > they stand up to each other. > > Waking Hour > ========== > To me, this collection is a masterpiece. It's rare that I can pull > out a 7 year old CD, and play the entire thing without any desire to > skip a song. Both musically and lyrically, it just does not get any > better than this. 10 stars. My favorite part is from "Between", when she > says; > > there once was a time I was sure of the bond > when my hands and my tongue and my thoughts were enough > > Warm Strangers > ============ > It took me a bit longer to "warm up" to this CD, but I came > around. It has a more "produced" sound to it, and I do still enjoy > nearly every song on the CD. For the longest time, I totally ignored > the a capella "Passage", but when I finally did give it the attention > it deserved, it's message pulled me in several different > directions. But really, this CD is excellent. 9 stars. > > Dreaming Through The Noise > ===================== > I think Vienna skipped the beat a bit with this one. Sure, there are > some songs that are excellent (e.g. City Hall) and clever (1br/1ba), > but some of the songs seem a bit forced, or just not what I would > normally expect, given her previous 2 efforts. 5 stars. > > Regardless, I have high hopes for the new CD, and will be picking it > up the week that it is released. > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:36:29 -0500 From: "Jon Wesley Huff" Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music I would rate and compare the CDs almost exactly the same. It has felt a bit like a case of diminishing returns with Vienna since her first album,though the second one really did grow on me. I have to say her third album REALLY disappointed me though. I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Steve Molla wrote: > I don't recall anyone comparing the 3 CDs by Vienna Teng, so I > decided to post. Basically, given that she is currently working on > her 4th album, I'm curious about what people think about them and how > they stand up to each other. > > Waking Hour > ========== > To me, this collection is a masterpiece. It's rare that I can pull > out a 7 year old CD, and play the entire thing without any desire to > skip a song. Both musically and lyrically, it just does not get any > better than this. 10 stars. My favorite part is from "Between", when she > says; > > there once was a time I was sure of the bond > when my hands and my tongue and my thoughts were enough > > Warm Strangers > ============ > It took me a bit longer to "warm up" to this CD, but I came > around. It has a more "produced" sound to it, and I do still enjoy > nearly every song on the CD. For the longest time, I totally ignored > the a capella "Passage", but when I finally did give it the attention > it deserved, it's message pulled me in several different > directions. But really, this CD is excellent. 9 stars. > > Dreaming Through The Noise > ===================== > I think Vienna skipped the beat a bit with this one. Sure, there are > some songs that are excellent (e.g. City Hall) and clever (1br/1ba), > but some of the songs seem a bit forced, or just not what I would > normally expect, given her previous 2 efforts. 5 stars. > > Regardless, I have high hopes for the new CD, and will be picking it > up the week that it is released. > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:06:05 -0500 From: CollectedSounds Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. I kind of agree except that I still really like it. I heard that the producer kept telling her to sing softer, basically made her whisper. I hope she gets a different guy this time. I like her full voice. And yes, that part in "Between" give me goosebumps every time!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:06:05 -0500 From: CollectedSounds Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. I kind of agree except that I still really like it. I heard that the producer kept telling her to sing softer, basically made her whisper. I hope she gets a different guy this time. I like her full voice. And yes, that part in "Between" give me goosebumps every time!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:43:53 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Kay Hanley Kay has a new CD out, "Weaponize". It's a little different from Cherry Marmalade, but IMO it's just as good, and better in many ways. You can hear a number of cuts from it on her Myspace page, KayHanleyMusic. Has anyone else heard her? I dunno if she's Ecto, but she's quickly become one of my favorite artists. If only she'd put Work Is For Suckers on her CD. Oh well. Hit it! - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:58:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: Kay Hanley I saw Letters To Cleo about 13 years ago and was mesmerized by Kay's incredibly energetic live performance - especially since it was about 95 degrees that day... I wish the band would tour again, but it's always great to hear _that voice_ in any guise. - -----Original Message----- >From: Doug >Sent: Jul 15, 2008 1:43 PM >To: "ecto@smoe.org" >Subject: Kay Hanley > >Kay has a new CD out, "Weaponize". It's a little different from >Cherry Marmalade, but IMO it's just as good, and better in many ways. >You can hear a number of cuts from it on her Myspace page, >KayHanleyMusic. Has anyone else heard her? I dunno if she's Ecto, >but she's quickly become one of my favorite artists. > >If only she'd put Work Is For Suckers on her CD. Oh well. > >Hit it! > >--Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:51:41 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: "The Post-great album letdown" It's amazing how I find that after an artist releases a truly great album I almost invariably disappointed by their next few efforts especially if the great album is a debut or the 1st album I've heard from them. I think a lot of this is psychological. There is, frankly, so much boring uninspired dreck music out there that when you hear something really incredible I get excited, I add them to my special mental lists of artists I like and I hope against hope that they will keep producing albums which contained whatever great album had, which usually means a reasonable facsimile of said "great album" in terms of sound. Maybe they can't reproduce "it", maybe they don't want to, maybe they're intent on exploring new directions even if it kills whatever unique pearl of greatness they had... Some can keep churning out great albums but it's rare, I think it requires listener and artist to really be dialled in to the same wavelength and want the same things out of music as well as the artist to have an amazing amount of talent to avoid mediocrity. I was a bit disappointed in Vienna's latest and Sarah Slean and Thea Gilmore's latest and Tori's last couple and I could go on. None of them are BAD albums. Actually judged by some kind of semi-objective standard they are pretty good albums. Those ladies have just built up such a personal reputation with me that I guess I have very high, perhaps impossibly high expectations of them and they seem to be starting the slow slide from greatness to goodness to mediocrity which of course I hate to see. I would like to judge their new work on its own merits but it's almost impossible not to compare to past greatness I find. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of CollectedSounds Sent: July-15-08 1:06 PM To: Jon Wesley Huff Cc: ecto@smoe.org; ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jon Wesley Huff wrote: I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. I kind of agree except that I still really like it. I heard that the producer kept telling her to sing softer, basically made her whisper. I hope she gets a different guy this time. I like her full voice. And yes, that part in "Between" give me goosebumps every time!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:11:52 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music I guess I can sort of see why the producer would do that... The thing that has always thrown me off about her is that she has this very open tone (I believe I once used the word quirkless) that almost sounds more like musical theater than a pop vocal. I've sort of had to accept her on her own terms and not worry about the fact that her timbre isn't necessarily "cool." On 7/15/08 12:06 PM, "CollectedSounds" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jon Wesley Huff > wrote: > > I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. > > > > I kind of agree except that I still really like it. > I heard that the producer kept telling her to sing softer, basically made > her whisper. I hope she gets a different guy this time. I like her full > voice. And yes, that part in "Between" give me goosebumps every time!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:11:52 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Rating Vienna Teng Music I guess I can sort of see why the producer would do that... The thing that has always thrown me off about her is that she has this very open tone (I believe I once used the word quirkless) that almost sounds more like musical theater than a pop vocal. I've sort of had to accept her on her own terms and not worry about the fact that her timbre isn't necessarily "cool." On 7/15/08 12:06 PM, "CollectedSounds" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jon Wesley Huff > wrote: > > I just found it a bit boring and lacking the energy of the first two. > > > > I kind of agree except that I still really like it. > I heard that the producer kept telling her to sing softer, basically made > her whisper. I hope she gets a different guy this time. I like her full > voice. And yes, that part in "Between" give me goosebumps every time!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:44:50 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: Kay Hanley Ooh! Me! I've had this CD for a while (signed, even!) and it never fails to make me happy. And I agree, it's better than Cherry Marmalade. Quoting Doug : > Kay has a new CD out, "Weaponize". It's a little different from > Cherry Marmalade, but IMO it's just as good, and better in many ways. > You can hear a number of cuts from it on her Myspace page, > KayHanleyMusic. Has anyone else heard her? I dunno if she's Ecto, > but she's quickly become one of my favorite artists. > > If only she'd put Work Is For Suckers on her CD. Oh well. > > Hit it! > > --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:47:12 EDT From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Katie Reider - Moving and tragic story I just got this from a woman who manages some independent female artists in Southern California. I checked out Katie's website and she really has (had) an awesome voice. Very sad story... ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA022-8be487cb626341; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:37:40 -0400 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be487cb626341; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:37:27 -0400 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEH3PRUA32SK5J for (sender ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:36:34 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: a8akdN7pVSabfvfgzNqqbdAILf4pVEFev2szh5Fg5l5P/9XkXUU3 xA== Received: (from adylinc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NP59FYWP; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:36:06 PDT To: anita@geeks.com Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:35:59 -0700 Subject: Moving and tragic story Message-ID: <20080715.073559.4000.3.adylinc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 26-6,9-12,16-17,18-32767 From: Anita D York X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3651154510 X-MAIL-INFO: 2e905185510551108080e0ad60597409b97dcdc071e9bd6df4b9690c0c0 4fde4b9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|adylinc@j uno.com X-AOL-IP: 64.136.55.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I just heard about this singer-songwriter, Katie Reider. She passed away yesterday at the age of 30. Shades of Eva Cassidy. Please read her story and about her amazing spirit at: http://www.500Kin365.org They want to inform 500,000 people in 1 year about her music. No one knew she would leave so soon. You can download 9 of her songs for $1, yes just one dollar, to help her family with what will now be funeral expenses etc. You can check out more of her music at: CDBABY. COM ____________________________________________________________ Learn about VA loan programs and benefits. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3mWwIkvYYQDLqdGfRUOzWafygjCngTCtZdjBH77xgVjC6f/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:35:52 -0400 From: "Aly-Neil Fields" Subject: Re: Katie Reider - Moving and tragic story Oh wow, that's so sad... Thanks for the link and helping get the word out. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM, wrote: > I just got this from a woman who manages some independent female artists in > Southern California. I checked out Katie's website and she really has (had) > an > awesome voice. Very sad story... > > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com > [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id > MAILINMA022-8be487cb626341; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:37:40 -0400 > Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com > [64.136.55.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id > MAILRELAYINMA078-8be487cb626341; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:37:27 -0400 > X-UOL-TAGLINE: true > Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by > m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEH3PRUA32SK5J for > (sender ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:36:34 -0700 (PDT) > X-UNTD-OriginStamp: a8akdN7pVSabfvfgzNqqbdAILf4pVEFev2szh5Fg5l5P/9XkXUU3 > xA== > Received: (from adylinc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id > NP59FYWP; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:36:06 PDT > To: anita@geeks.com > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:35:59 -0700 > Subject: Moving and tragic story > Message-ID: <20080715.073559.4000.3.adylinc@juno.com> > X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 26-6,9-12,16-17,18-32767 > From: Anita D York > X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3651154510 > X-MAIL-INFO: 2e905185510551108080e0ad60597409b97dcdc071e9bd6df4b9690c0c0 > 4fde4b9 > X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|adylinc@j > uno.com > X-AOL-IP: 64.136.55.20 > X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n > X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > > I just heard about this singer-songwriter, Katie Reider. She passed away > yesterday at the age of 30. Shades of Eva Cassidy. Please read her > story and about her amazing spirit at: > > http://www.500Kin365.org > > They want to inform 500,000 people in 1 year about her music. No one > knew she would leave so soon. You can download 9 of her songs for $1, > yes just one dollar, to help her family with what will now be funeral > expenses etc. > > You can check out more of her music at: CDBABY. COM > ____________________________________________________________ > Learn about VA loan programs and benefits. Click now. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3mWwIkvYYQDLqdGfRUOzWafygjCngTCtZdjBH77xgVjC6f/ > - -- NP: "Cooling the Medium," Martha and the Muffins. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #546 ***************************