From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #490 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, May 18 2008 Volume 13 : Number 490 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 60/70's [Michael Pearce ] Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM [Michael P] Re: 60's/70's prog [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] wendy waldman/patty larkin [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM [Nadyne Mi] Re: 60/70's [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: 60's/70's prog [Steve Schiavo ] RE: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM ["Bill Maz] Re: 60/70's ["Aly Fields" ] Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM [Daniel ] Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM [Nadyne Mi] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:20:34 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: 60/70's How could you all forget Marianne Faithfull? She stretches every era from mid-'60s to now. Even as a teenager she had an amazing sophistication in her singing; producing four brilliant albums, with a soft and sweet voice before falling apart thanks to too much heroin and Keith Richards. Then she returns in the '80s with a gravelly cigarette voice and more brilliant soul-filled songcraft and finally moved into cabaret.'20s Berlin and blues, where she works today. Agreements on Dory Previn, although she got a tad too self-indulgent after a while. A few other names to note: early '60s folkie Orriel Smith, R&B performer Chi Coltraine, Crystal Gayle (after she left country), Mary Hopkin, Lily & Maria, Mary McCaslin (one of the few proponents of the "Western" half of Country & Western), Penny Nichols, Verdelle Smith (Very early '60s R&B) and of course Grace Slick, who first performed with her brother Darby in The Great Society before leaving and joining the Airplane. You would not believe how different their version of Sombody to Love and White Rabbit are. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:36:06 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM >Your computer hasn't been compromised. This is just that a spammer has >gotten ahold of your email address (which isn't hard to do at all) and is >trying to make it look like their spam is coming from you. I've been >getting a lot of these lately, too, and I'm 1000% confident that my >computers haven't been compromised. :) What he said. It's even simpler that that, though. What happened is a Microsoft victim running Outlook or Outlook Express has not kept up with his daily virus updates. A trojan slips in, copies everyone in the Outlook address book, picks a random name from there and pretends to be from that person, while sending on to everyone else in that address book, which proceeds on to the next unprotected Outlook user. You get back the bounces from the expired addresses. There is nothing you can do about this. It's why Mac users can get the bounces as well; even the long-abandoned Mac version of Outlook Express can't be taken over this way. PC users who don't want to keep up their virus updates would be well advised to switch over to Thunderbird for their mail, or the now-dead Eudora. Neither are subject to the automatic takeover that Outlook suffers from. Most compromised PCs, btw, are located in offices with sloppy IT departments (or none), or in Grandma's house, obediently delivering their load through their Cable connection. It isn't that hard to stay trojan-free and most individual users do their duty. Be aware that some day it will become a crime to own and operate a compromised Microsoft computer. That's what it may take to put a dent in spam, although it won't affect the rest of the planet's PCs. I like the Russian solution: A couple of nefarious spammers have turned up riddled with bullets at the bottom of a ditch. Do Not Phuque With The Russians. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 01:36:00 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: 60's/70's prog my 2 (by worth, not volume) cents worth. like kerry I too have an inordinate fondness for the canterbury school.must be a webtv thing :) just have to add that while there is much excellent music here caravan's in the land of grey and pink is essential. adam mentioned 801 live. avoid the studio album (listen now). it's not that it's bad but rather it is such a letdown after the live lp. personnel is vastly different and brian eno is sorely missed. emerson,lake and palmer.- i'm not a keith emerson fan but the first album is excellent, happy the man- keyboard whiz kit watkins and co. prove to the world that an american band can make great progressive rock. unfortunately by then the world is no longer paying attention. national health-perhaps the most overlooked canterbury band mike oldfield- if you consider tubular bells to be prog then this is a no brainer quiet sun- only put out on album (mainstream) but it's a masterpiece. zappa- i'm not sure if anyone's mentioned frank. everyone remembers his humorous stuff but when he turned his attention to serious music the results were often complex and enjoyable. think waka/jawaka or the grand wazoo. yes- I think one problem for prog musicians is shared by jazz musicians. great chops does not necessarily mean great songwriting skills. some jazz musicians make careers out of playing covers. that's not really an option for proggers. I thought that the first 2 yes albums featured 4 great covers and not much else. then came "the yes album" with starship trooper, yours is no disgrace, etc. wow. still their best album imho. notice how much of this is english? not even counting all the uk bands previously mentioned. as a prog fan from the wrong side of the pond i'm very jealous of adam and anyone else who got to check out the uk concert scene in the late 60's and the 70's.it seems totally backwards when you consider the size of the uk and that of the us. must be socialised medicine :) np-brian eno: another green world remember those quiet evenings. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 02:48:41 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: wendy waldman/patty larkin well robert, you did answer your own question re: living is good (one of those pep in your step songs). personally I like all of wendy's 70's releases but the main refrain is probably my favorite. gypsy symphony is also quite good. you may remember mad mad me which was covered by both maria muldaur and linda ronstadt. speaking of pep in your step I remember someone listed devo in that category..does that man that listening to devo gives them an "uncontrollable urge"? :) also, it sounds like people are disappointed in patty larkins new album. but then tim compared it to regrooving the dream. I LOVE regrooving the dream. does that mean that I will like the new one? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:27:48 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM On 5/16/08 11:36 PM, "Michael Pearce" wrote: [snip the standard Microsoft bashing] > A trojan slips in, copies everyone in > the Outlook address book, picks a random name from there and pretends > to be from that person, while sending on to everyone else in that > address book, which proceeds on to the next unprotected Outlook user. As I understand it, most spam experts agree that the vast majority of spam doesn't originate due to issues or vulnerabilities in any given email client. There's little reason for a spammer to bother with the hassle of writing/updating a trojan to spam when there are enough spam-friendly ISPs out there, and the cost of either purchasing a list of email addresses, doing a dictionary hack on known domains, or writing a harvester to harvest fresh email addresses is very very low. This, of course, isn't to say that folks shouldn't keep their anti-virus software up-to-date or that there aren't cracked computers out there right now spewing spam unbeknownst to their owner. Rather, it's misleading to state that this issue had to be a result of a vulnerability in a specific mail program. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:41:54 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: 60/70's Marianne faithfull is a favorite og mine, but I've never listened to anything from before the voice change. tim On 5/17/08 1:20 AM, "Michael Pearce" wrote: > How could you all forget Marianne Faithfull? She stretches every era > from mid-'60s to now. Even as a teenager she had an amazing > sophistication in her singing; producing four brilliant albums, with > a soft and sweet voice before falling apart thanks to too much heroin > and Keith Richards. Then she returns in the '80s with a gravelly > cigarette voice and more brilliant soul-filled songcraft and finally > moved into cabaret.'20s Berlin and blues, where she works today. > > Agreements on Dory Previn, although she got a tad too self-indulgent > after a while. > > A few other names to note: early '60s folkie Orriel Smith, R&B > performer Chi Coltraine, Crystal Gayle (after she left country), Mary > Hopkin, Lily & Maria, Mary McCaslin (one of the few proponents of the > "Western" half of Country & Western), Penny Nichols, Verdelle Smith > (Very early '60s R&B) and of course Grace Slick, who first performed > with her brother Darby in The Great Society before leaving and > joining the Airplane. You would not believe how different their > version of Sombody to Love and White Rabbit are. > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:12:12 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: 60's/70's prog On May 17, 2008, at 12:36 AM, bill wrote: > like kerry I too have an inordinate fondness for the canterbury > school.must be a webtv thing :) just have to add that while there is > much excellent music here caravan's in the land of grey and pink is > essential. If you like prog at all, you can hardly go wrong with the major Canterbury bands. Camel is also good. Hatfield and the North. National Health. There is a bit of an ecto angle, as Hatfield and the North / National Health have female vocal parts in their songs. Keyboard player Dave Stewart and vocalist Barbara Gaskin have put out a wide range of interesting covers, ranging from stuff like It's My Party to Roads Girdle the Globe. Any version of Gong that includes Daevid Allen is certainly the most "out there" of the Canterbury bands. The most consistently ectoish when Gilli Smyth is on vocals. The Radio Gnome trilogy is highly recommended. In addition, Space Shanty by Khan is essential. Here's Steve Hillage (Khan/Gong) covering Hurdy Gurdy Man. Robert Wyatt was a fantastic kit drummer when he was with Soft Machine, and has put out many great solo albums. Soft Machine through Seven is essential, I think. Third marks a major change in song length, although you can see it coming in the second album. If you are going to have one Soft Machine album, most people would say it should be Third. The albums after Seven feature guitar rather than reeds. I'm also fond of the Hopper/Ratledge/Wyatt trio sound. There are lots of live albums. Check out YouTube for lots of video from the various lineups. 1969 1970 1973 And Kevin Ayers must get his due. In the Land of Grey and Pink is considered Caravan's classic album, but I really like Cunning Stunts (yes, I know). Anything through CS is well worth having. Second after Gong in hippieness, I guess. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:27:13 -0700 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM Thanks again for all of the help on this one. FYI: I received an e-mail from the webmaster at Real World (the WOMAD and Peter Gabriel websites) that several of their servers were stolen. Per the e-mail, those servers contained e-mail addresses and passwords. Perhaps my e-mail address was taken from there. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Nadyne Mielke Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:28 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM On 5/16/08 11:36 PM, "Michael Pearce" wrote: [snip the standard Microsoft bashing] > A trojan slips in, copies everyone in > the Outlook address book, picks a random name from there and pretends > to be from that person, while sending on to everyone else in that > address book, which proceeds on to the next unprotected Outlook user. As I understand it, most spam experts agree that the vast majority of spam doesn't originate due to issues or vulnerabilities in any given email client. There's little reason for a spammer to bother with the hassle of writing/updating a trojan to spam when there are enough spam-friendly ISPs out there, and the cost of either purchasing a list of email addresses, doing a dictionary hack on known domains, or writing a harvester to harvest fresh email addresses is very very low. This, of course, isn't to say that folks shouldn't keep their anti-virus software up-to-date or that there aren't cracked computers out there right now spewing spam unbeknownst to their owner. Rather, it's misleading to state that this issue had to be a result of a vulnerability in a specific mail program. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 14:16:09 -0400 From: "Aly Fields" Subject: Re: 60/70's Ohh! Yes, I love her album Broken English! :) Good rec! On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Michael Pearce wrote: > How could you all forget Marianne Faithfull? She stretches every era from > mid-'60s to now. Even as a teenager she had an amazing sophistication in her > singing; producing four brilliant albums, with a soft and sweet voice before > falling apart thanks to too much heroin and Keith Richards. Then she returns > in the '80s with a gravelly cigarette voice and more brilliant soul-filled > songcraft and finally moved into cabaret.'20s Berlin and blues, where she > works today. > > Agreements on Dory Previn, although she got a tad too self-indulgent after > a while. > > A few other names to note: early '60s folkie Orriel Smith, R&B performer > Chi Coltraine, Crystal Gayle (after she left country), Mary Hopkin, Lily & > Maria, Mary McCaslin (one of the few proponents of the "Western" half of > Country & Western), Penny Nichols, Verdelle Smith (Very early '60s R&B) and > of course Grace Slick, who first performed with her brother Darby in The > Great Society before leaving and joining the Airplane. You would not believe > how different their version of Sombody to Love and White Rabbit are. > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:03:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Daniel Subject: Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM An excellent tool is http://www.spamprimer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:42:22 -0000 From: "Henning Rech" Subject: Veda Hille in Stuttgart/Germany Yesterday Veda's 2008 tour stopped in Stuttgart in a small club named Laboratorium ("Lab"). She came with Patsy Klein, Martin Walton and Skye Brooks, and they gave us a 2 1/2 h show, including the opening as "The Fits". The material was mostly from the last two albums, with some other new and old stuff. She promised to be back in 2009. We talked some minutes after the show, and I learned that she regularily gets a grant from the Canadian state for her abroad tours. The audience, I must admit, was few - perhaps 25-30 people, and Veda told me that it was even less at the preceeding sites. Some photos I have taken can be found on http://hft.fh-pforzheim.de/ecto/veda_hille_2008/page_01.htm Henning PS: Happy should apply for a Canadian citizenship :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:24:01 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: OT: Ecto Oracle Tech Division question: A new type of SPAM On 5/17/08 10:27 AM, "Bill Mazur" wrote: > Thanks again for all of the help on this one. > > FYI: I received an e-mail from the webmaster at Real World (the WOMAD and > Peter Gabriel websites) that several of their servers were stolen. Per the > e-mail, those servers contained e-mail addresses and passwords. Perhaps my > e-mail address was taken from there. With all of the ways out there for someone to get your email address, I wouldn't really worry about which way they got it. For anyone who's been online for more than ten minutes (fifteen at the outside), it's probably safe to say that spammers have your email address. That said, since you know that this server was compromised and it's possible that your email address and password was involved, you should go think about whether you've used that same password elsewhere. If you have used that password elsewhere (everyone uses passwords for multiple sites!), you should go change your password on those other sites to something else. But that's completely unrelated to this spam thing, this is just making sure that a committed hacker couldn't decide to make your life difficult. It's very unlikely that they would, but in a case like this, it's better to go make sure that you aren't using the same password elsewhere. /nm ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #490 ***************************