From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #354 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, December 31 2007 Volume 13 : Number 354 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: a happy end ["Sharon Nichols" ] The RIAA Strikes Again [meredith ] Re: The RIAA Strikes Again ["Richard Messum" ] Re: The RIAA Strikes Again [meredith ] Re: The RIAA Strikes Again [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: The RIAA Strikes Again [birdie ] Re: The RIAA Strikes Again [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: The RIAA Strikes Again [Carolyn Andre ] re: RIAA and ripping CDs [morayati@email.unc.edu] 12 ["Richard Messum" ] Fwd: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again [Carolyn Andre Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Stuart Castergine (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. 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Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:17:56 -0500 From: meredith Subject: The RIAA Strikes Again Hi, In today's "RIAA Dumbass Move", they're now claiming that ripping a CD you bought legally to your own computer, simply for the purpose of listening to it yourself in MP3 format is illegal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:50:09 -0500 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again That "clunk" you just heard, was the sound of my mind boggling. Who's getting desperate here? The RIAA, or the lawyers? Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: meredith To: ecto Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: The RIAA Strikes Again Hi, In today's "RIAA Dumbass Move", they're now claiming that ripping a CD you bought legally to your own computer, simply for the purpose of listening to it yourself in MP3 format is illegal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:48:26 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again Hi, Richard Messum wrote: > Who's getting desperate here? The RIAA, or the lawyers? The RIAA, certainly. (I'm sure their lawyers don't mind, either.) What I want to know is, how did they find this guy?? How does the RIAA know that some random dude has ripped a couple thousand songs off his own CDs to his computer?? The answer to that question is probably even more frightening than the fact that this lawsuit is even happening. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again According to the article, this was a move on their part in response to the fact that he didn't bend over when they sent him the original pay us or we'll sue you letter (presumably for files that are more likely to have been obtained or distributed through file sharing). I would not be surprised to hear that some media software (and perhaps some operating systems) have "phone-home" elements that report these things back. Bernie > Hi, > > Richard Messum wrote: >> Who's getting desperate here? The RIAA, or the lawyers? > > The RIAA, certainly. (I'm sure their lawyers don't mind, either.) > > What I want to know is, how did they find this guy?? How does the RIAA know > that some random dude has ripped a couple thousand songs off his own CDs to > his computer?? The answer to that question is probably even more frightening > than the fact that this lawsuit is even happening. > > > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:09:08 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again Obviously, since many artists have given the "record industry" the heave-ho and are now indie all the middlemen are left making up new things to do with their lawyers. meanwhile, many of the lawyers have been making a fortune getting artists out of deals with labels that no longer are worth being on - as they are not holding up their end of the deals via tour and other promo support, We just need an ongoing very public grassroots and media supported campaign to let peopkle know they need to support their favorite artists....and to not expecty the record industry to do it cos the truth is - they aren't doing it very much or very well anymore... And, how did they find that guy? Just pointed a cursor using a google map? How hard could it be to find someone like that? word! Birdie meredith wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Messum wrote: > >> Who's getting desperate here? The RIAA, or the lawyers? > > > The RIAA, certainly. (I'm sure their lawyers don't mind, either.) > > What I want to know is, how did they find this guy?? How does the > RIAA know that some random dude has ripped a couple thousand songs off > his own CDs to his computer?? The answer to that question is probably > even more frightening than the fact that this lawsuit is even happening. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:10:39 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again meth sez: > What I want to know is, how did they find this guy?? How does the > RIAA know that some random dude has ripped a couple thousand songs > off his own CDs to his computer?? The answer to that question is > probably even more frightening than the fact that this lawsuit is > even happening. No, it isn't. This is a "normal" RIAA suit against a guy who was sharing files from his computer via kazaa, tracked down in the same ways the RIAA has found all of the other folks they've sued. They just have an idiot lawyer making a new and exciting claim. (He's probably already been screamed at for it, given that raising the issue in the first place gives a judge the ability to step in and declare it legal fair use...it's in the RIAA's interests to not risk having that happen!) In any event, this all happened a few weeks ago: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ripped/riaa-argues-songs-ripped-to-your-computer-for-personal-use-are-unauthorized-copies-332550.php What's interesting is that this has suddenly blown up in the mainstream press (missing some of those important details like how they found the guy...) jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:09:45 -0600 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again At 02:48 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: >Hi, > >Richard Messum wrote: >> Who's getting desperate here? The RIAA, or the lawyers? > >The RIAA, certainly. (I'm sure their lawyers don't mind, either.) > >What I want to know is, how did they find this guy?? How does the RIAA know that some random dude >has ripped a couple thousand songs off his own CDs to his computer?? The answer to that question is >probably even more frightening than the fact that this lawsuit is even happening. Like them getting access to usage info for the Gracenote or free CDDB that iTunes uses? It figures that they're too dense to realize that they are now prosecuting the people who actually still BUY CDs because they like to have CDs. What's next - prosecuting if people buy legal downloads and then have the nerve to use them not only on their computer but also on their mp3 player? It seems pretty apparent what the behaviour trend will be if they create the same risk for persecution whether you buy a CD or file-share it. I think I'll now disable my iTunes auto-lookup feature, regardless of database... Regards, Carolyn Andre - --- candre@house-of-music.com Chicago, IL / USA Support Independent Music! Use the Internet http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:14:03 -0500 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: re: RIAA and ripping CDs He's right - the RIAA isn't suing for the ripping, just for the shared folder part. But apparently ripped copies are "unauthorized." The way I see it, if it was illegal and actionable to rip a CD, it wouldn't be so easy to do it. (Even Windows Media Player has a prominent "Rip" tab.) - -sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:18:53 -0500 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: 12 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 12.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:58:28 -0600 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Fwd: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again Tim's question ended up just with me. Interesting question. As far as I understand, RIAA represents record companies distributing the labels as listed on their site: http://www.riaa.com/aboutus.php?content_selector=aboutus_members Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:46:21 -0500 >From: "Tim Bara" >To: "Carolyn Andre" >Subject: Re: The RIAA Strikes Again > >How does one indentify artists that are not represented by the RIAA? I think I'd rather buy music from the gestapo. > >Tim > >On Dec 30, 2007 4:09 PM, Carolyn Andre <candre@house-of-music.com> wrote: >At 02:48 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Richard Messum wrote: >>> Who's getting desperate here? The RIAA, or the lawyers? >> >>The RIAA, certainly. (I'm sure their lawyers don't mind, either.) >> >>What I want to know is, how did they find this guy?? How does the RIAA know that some random dude >>has ripped a couple thousand songs off his own CDs to his computer?? The answer to that question is >>probably even more frightening than the fact that this lawsuit is even happening. > >Like them getting access to usage info for the Gracenote or free CDDB that iTunes uses? > >It figures that they're too dense to realize that they are now prosecuting the people who actually still BUY CDs because they like to have CDs. What's next - prosecuting if people buy legal downloads and then have the nerve to use them not only on their computer but also on their mp3 player? It seems pretty apparent what the behaviour trend will be if they create the same risk for persecution whether you buy a CD or file-share it. > >I think I'll now disable my iTunes auto-lookup feature, regardless of database... > > >Regards, >Carolyn Andre >--- >candre@house-of-music.com >Chicago, IL / USA >Support Independent Music! Use the Internet >http://house-of-music.com > Regards, Carolyn Andre - --- candre@house-of-music.com Chicago, IL / USA Support Independent Music! Use the Internet http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #354 ***************************