From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #331 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, December 8 2007 Volume 13 : Number 331 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Best New Artist query [Irvin Lin ] Re: Best New Artist query [Troy J Shadbolt ] Carina Round & MySpace ["Karen Hester" ] Re: Carina Round & MySpace [morayati@email.unc.edu] Re: Carina Round & MySpace [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:01:50 -0800 From: Irvin Lin Subject: Best New Artist query > From: JoAnn Whetsell > Subject: grammy nods > > Every year, the Grammys recognize a few ectoish artists among their slew of > nominations. This year's crop includes: > > Feist, the big winner, with 4 nominations to her credit, including Best New > Artist, even though as WE all know, The Reminder is NOT her debut album. She > also scored nominations for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance and Best Short > Form Music Video> (for "1 2 3 4") and Best Pop Vocal Album (for The Reminder) Can anyone actually explain to me what the "criteria" are for an artist to be nominated for "Best New Artist" - as I've never understood it. Is it when an artist sells over a certain amount, or when the "general public" has become aware of them, or when they have moved from underground/indie to more mainstream? And how do they judge that? I only ask, because I am often times completely perplexed as to what constitutes a "new artist" - after all Feist (as mentioned above) has been around doing solo stuff since 1999, and has three albums under her belt (okay, four if you count her remix album - and slew more if you count her collaboration with Broken Social Scene). Her last three albums (counting the remix album) were released on major labels as well. Amy Winehouse (another nominee) has been around since 2003, and last year, Imogen Heap was nominated as "best new artist" even though the album she was nominated for was released in 2005 and she released a solo album back in 1998! Of course, the "best new artist" category is totally a hodge podge category which I take issue with. Last year, Imogen Heap was up against James Blunt, Corrine Baily Rae, Chris Brown, and Carrie Underwood. All COMPELTELY different genres of music - and as such, impossible to judge (imo) who deserved the grammy more. Well, okay, I could have ruled out James Blunt and Carrie Underwood as I can't stand either, and am not familiar with Chris Brown's work - but then Carrie Underwood won so what do I know? Apparently not much. Irvin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:21:37 -0800 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: Re: Best New Artist query right from grammy.com Best New Artist (For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist.) translation: first release that gets on charts other than college radio. On Dec 7, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Irvin Lin wrote: >> > > Can anyone actually explain to me what the "criteria" are for an > artist to > be nominated for "Best New Artist" - as I've never understood it. > > Is it when an artist sells over a certain amount, or when the "general > public" has become aware of them, or when they have moved from > underground/indie to more mainstream? And how do they judge that? - --- troy j shadbolt www.voyuz.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:29:58 -0500 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Carina Round & MySpace I've seen her live three times now the past few months - yey that she's trying to break NY. First time, supporting The Cinematics at Bowery Ballroom, she bristled from the start - "Hello, how are you. [silence] HELLO, HOW ARE YOU DOING? [LOUD SILENCE] HELLOOOOO?????" She didn't win the audience over with her antagonistic attitude, though a few people tried to cheer her up by clapping loudly. It sounded like she had a pissy day (broken/lost guitar) and she performed well, for that. Short red dress, shiny red heals (which she kicked across the room during the furious final number 'Takes the money', lots of frilly knicker flashing, leg kicking. I enjoyed The Cinematics and whoever the opener were more, despite not being much into either's music - it was unpleasant having Carina decide we were bastards, and it was unpleasant being surrounded by disinterested punters. Second time, out the back in the cafe/bar at Sound Fix record store in Williamsburger. Um, Williamsburg. Not sure if more than two of us actually came to see her, and thus again she was pissed. "Hello" she growls, and one guy looked up from his computer and said "hello", and returned to typing. Acoustic show, perhaps three tracks from her first album, which was a surprise. The sound guy put on PJ Harvey's 'The dancer' right after Carina was done and she told him to take it off, she didn't like it. He was surprised. Small recording of 'Come to you' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz4YNzORTNg&feature=related. I guess someone was paying attention. Third time was her final Living Room show (she did three), and she was happy and there was a huge crowd who loved her. She was still brittle - - kept on complaining about her record company (the pianist and cellist who played with her had both contacted her through MySpace - "MySpace has done more for my career than [record company] ever has.") Carina also dissed her first album, might have said something about bloody entrails, and then played from it. Played wonderful new song, played boring song 'Gunshot' she wrote for Alfie soundtrack, and a song that apparently makes people cry (it had lots of 'God' in it and was pretty sappy I reckoned). She growled and soared and screeched and mumbled, amazing noises, love that she doesn't mind sounding ugly. She wore pink high heels. That's all I remember. K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:35:57 -0500 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: Carina Round & MySpace I really wanted to see her in Chapel Hill when she came, but I realized the day of the concert that you needed to buy a membership to the place, and could only do so 3 days in advance. I loved her seocnd album but her third one has yet to grow on me. It sounds a bit 'samey' to me at times, I guess. And didn't it get delayed a lot? So if she's angry at her record company I can definitely see why. - -Sarah Quoting Karen Hester : > I've seen her live three times now the past few months - yey that > she's trying to break NY. > > First time, supporting The Cinematics at Bowery Ballroom, she bristled > from the start - "Hello, how are you. [silence] HELLO, HOW ARE YOU > DOING? [LOUD SILENCE] HELLOOOOO?????" She didn't win the audience > over with her antagonistic attitude, though a few people tried to > cheer her up by clapping loudly. It sounded like she had a pissy day > (broken/lost guitar) and she performed well, for that. Short red > dress, shiny red heals (which she kicked across the room during the > furious final number 'Takes the money', lots of frilly knicker > flashing, leg kicking. > I enjoyed The Cinematics and whoever the opener were more, despite not > being much into either's music - it was unpleasant having Carina > decide we were bastards, and it was unpleasant being surrounded by > disinterested punters. > > Second time, out the back in the cafe/bar at Sound Fix record store in > Williamsburger. Um, Williamsburg. Not sure if more than two of us > actually came to see her, and thus again she was pissed. "Hello" she > growls, and one guy looked up from his computer and said "hello", and > returned to typing. Acoustic show, perhaps three tracks from her > first album, which was a surprise. The sound guy put on PJ Harvey's > 'The dancer' right after Carina was done and she told him to take it > off, she didn't like it. He was surprised. > Small recording of 'Come to you' - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz4YNzORTNg&feature=related. I guess > someone was paying attention. > > Third time was her final Living Room show (she did three), and she was > happy and there was a huge crowd who loved her. She was still brittle > - kept on complaining about her record company (the pianist and > cellist who played with her had both contacted her through MySpace - > "MySpace has done more for my career than [record company] ever has.") > Carina also dissed her first album, might have said something about > bloody entrails, and then played from it. Played wonderful new song, > played boring song 'Gunshot' she wrote for Alfie soundtrack, and a > song that apparently makes people cry (it had lots of 'God' in it and > was pretty sappy I reckoned). She growled and soared and screeched > and mumbled, amazing noises, love that she doesn't mind sounding ugly. > She wore pink high heels. That's all I remember. > > K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:44:00 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Carina Round & MySpace Carina opened for Annie Lennox on her very recent tour. Annie is quite keen on her.... Cheers Birdie www.myspace.com/birdiebreeze - -----Original Message----- From: "Karen Hester" Subj: Carina Round & MySpace Date: Fri Dec 7, 2007 2:33 pm Size: 2K To: ecto@smoe.org I've seen her live three times now the past few months - yey that she's trying to break NY. First time, supporting The Cinematics at Bowery Ballroom, she bristled from the start - "Hello, how are you. [silence] HELLO, HOW ARE YOU DOING? [LOUD SILENCE] HELLOOOOO?????" She didn't win the audience over with her antagonistic attitude, though a few people tried to cheer her up by clapping loudly. It sounded like she had a pissy day (broken/lost guitar) and she performed well, for that. Short red dress, shiny red heals (which she kicked across the room during the furious final number 'Takes the money', lots of frilly knicker flashing, leg kicking. I enjoyed The Cinematics and whoever the opener were more, despite not being much into either's music - it was unpleasant having Carina decide we were bastards, and it was unpleasant being surrounded by disinterested punters. Second time, out the back in the cafe/bar at Sound Fix record store in Williamsburger. Um, Williamsburg. Not sure if more than two of us actually came to see her, and thus again she was pissed. "Hello" she growls, and one guy looked up from his computer and said "hello", and returned to typing. Acoustic show, perhaps three tracks from her first album, which was a surprise. The sound guy put on PJ Harvey's 'The dancer' right after Carina was done and she told him to take it off, she didn't like it. He was surprised. Small recording of 'Come to you' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz4YNzORTNg&feature=related. I guess someone was paying attention. Third time was her final Living Room show (she did three), and she was happy and there was a huge crowd who loved her. She was still brittle - - kept on complaining about her record company (the pianist and cellist who played with her had both contacted her through MySpace - "MySpace has done more for my career than [record company] ever has.") Carina also dissed her first album, might have said something about bloody entrails, and then played from it. Played wonderful new song, played boring song 'Gunshot' she wrote for Alfie soundtrack, and a song that apparently makes people cry (it had lots of 'God' in it and was pretty sappy I reckoned). She growled and soared and screeched and mumbled, amazing noises, love that she doesn't mind sounding ugly. She wore pink high heels. That's all I remember. K. - --- message truncated --- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #331 ***************************