From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #327 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, December 4 2007 Volume 13 : Number 327 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? [morayati@] Re: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? [Collected] RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? [Bernie Mo] Happy on Last.FM ["Rod Kratochwill" ] Re: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? [Ken Desco] Re: Happy on Last.FM [Kjetil Torgrim Homme ] Sarah Perrotta / Carl Adami ["Sharon Nichols" ] RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? ["Michael ] Any ecto lurkers in Japan?? [meredith ] Re: Music categorization/tagging/organization utilities? [Kjetil Torgrim ] two loons for tea in NYC!! [meredith ] Anyone going to see Vienna Teng Thursday night? ["Paul Blair" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:14:55 -0500 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? Uh, I don't know what you're looking at, but on last.fm it says she's got 56,871 plays and 1,254 listeners total...but there's no music up there. I'm looking at http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes . Quoting Xenu's Sister : > I still can't get any videos up there. lastfm makes everything > so hard and complicated that it's frustrating. It's still highly > brain-damaged, compared to everywhere else I've uploaded Happy's > music, but at least I got a few songs up before giving up. Not > that it matters anyway though. Just as I suspected, hardly anyone > cares about Happy on lastfm. She has a whopping one listener...me. > It says songs have been "scrobbled" 34 times, whatever that means, > but Find Me has never been listened to, Charlie has been listened > to once, One and Many 3 times, and She Won't Go once. And those > were probably me when I was checking the songs. > > I don't see what use lastfm is for promoting Happy, but at least > the songs are there and if I'm lucky I won't have to go back there > for several months. > > Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:45:31 -0600 From: CollectedSounds Subject: Re: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? On Dec 3, 2007 1:14 AM, wrote: > I'm looking at http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes . There's also this one: http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes+live Which doesn't have much on it. Then there's this one: http://www.last.fm/music/HappyRhodes which looks like the one Vickie is talking about. So my guess is that Vickie isn't the only one putting up stuff about Happy there. That's good, right? - -- Amy Collected Sounds www.collectedsounds.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? > that it matters anyway though. Just as I suspected, hardly anyone > cares about Happy on lastfm. She has a whopping one listener...me. > It says songs have been "scrobbled" 34 times, whatever that means, > but Find Me has never been listened to, Charlie has been listened > to once, One and Many 3 times, and She Won't Go once. And those > were probably me when I was checking the songs. nonsense. i've listened to those songs a number of times, and have sent other folks there. i did notice at the time that the count seemed to be wonky, and i wonder if it counts subscribers vs non-subscribers differently. > I don't see what use lastfm is for promoting Happy, but at least > the songs are there and if I'm lucky I won't have to go back there > for several months. > > Vickie > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:19:59 -0500 From: "Rod Kratochwill" Subject: Happy on Last.FM Hi Vickie, I just went on last.fm to check out the Happy page as I remember it having tons of plays and many listeners. I went to the link posted on Ecto and it reflects what you see. Then I clicked on one of her songs that I got to from another page on Last.FM and went to the Happy page I remember. http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes It looks like you have created another page for Happy. http://www.last.fm/music/HappyRhodes Not sure what all that means as far as trying to promote Happy on Last.FM, but I fear it might be confusing. Rod ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:46:12 -0500 From: Ken Descoteaux Subject: Re: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? So is Craig http://www.last.fm/user/ethereal_lad/journal/2007/10/31/562866/ on the list, or is he independent? And Vickie, apparently "scrobbling" is their broad way of tracking the music. It includes more than just what's been streamed/downloaded/however you listen to lastFM from them, but also what you listen to on your computer if you have downloaded their widget to your computer. It looks like, of the 3 different Happy Rhodes artist pages on lastFM, that Vickie's is the only one with uploaded music on it, and it doesn't appear to count listeners who aren't logged in (i.e. me). Probably since it can't tell them apart without being logged in. - -Ken Bernie Mojzes wrote: >> that it matters anyway though. Just as I suspected, hardly anyone >> cares about Happy on lastfm. She has a whopping one listener...me. >> It says songs have been "scrobbled" 34 times, whatever that means, >> but Find Me has never been listened to, Charlie has been listened >> to once, One and Many 3 times, and She Won't Go once. And those >> were probably me when I was checking the songs. > > nonsense. i've listened to those songs a number of times, and have > sent other folks there. i did notice at the time that the count > seemed to be wonky, and i wonder if it counts subscribers vs > non-subscribers differently. > > >> I don't see what use lastfm is for promoting Happy, but at least >> the songs are there and if I'm lucky I won't have to go back there >> for several months. >> >> Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:14:23 +0100 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Re: Happy on Last.FM [Rod Kratochwill]: > > Then I clicked on one of her songs that I got to from another page > on Last.FM and went to the Happy page I remember. > > http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes > > It looks like you have created another page for Happy. > > http://www.last.fm/music/HappyRhodes > > Not sure what all that means as far as trying to promote Happy on > Last.FM, but I fear it might be confusing. indeed, that won't work very well since hardly anyone will have tagged their music with the artist name "HappyRhodes" :-) last.fm dynamically creates pages for artists depending on the names the people who're scrobbling[1] are using. this means there will be some duplicates, but it's not a real problem. try searching for "Happy Rhodes" and see the hits you get: 1,331 artists matching +Happy Rhodes; Artist Listeners ------------------------------------ Happy Rhodes 1,254 Happy Rhodes live 19 William Ackerman & Happy Rhodes 16 Happy Rhodes Dubs 8 Happy Rhodes [Bartlett/Rhodes] 7 Project Lo Feat. Happy Rhodes 7 Project Lo with Happy Rhodes 6 Bob Holroyd feat. Happy Rhodes 5 Jeff Oster and Happy Rhodes 5 Happy Rhodes & Kate Bush 4 Wm Ackerman and Happy Rhodes 4 HappyRhodes 3 we can see that six people have scrobbled tracks from the Project Lo CD, whereas 1254 people have listened to more tracks credited to just "Happy Rhodes". the 3 people who have scrobbled HappyRhodes probably did this when listening to the tracks Vickie uploaded. unfortunately, it's not possible to merge these "artists", since it was abused in the past, and the current database scheme makes it hard to undo a merge. it doesn't really help that it is a no-brainer for *us* that these "artists" are one and the same. the same thing happens with songs. in most cases, the alternate spellings will have clearly fewer plays, so it's not a huge problem to filter them mentally, but for an amusing example how this can go wrong, see http://www.last.fm/music/Joe+Dolce/ :-) [1] "scrobbling" means to notify last.fm about what music you're playing so that they can tell you what other people with similar tastes are playing this week, for instance. - -- Kjetil T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:15:55 -0500 From: "Sharon Nichols" Subject: Sarah Perrotta / Carl Adami Don't know if anyone here has followed Carl Adami since his work with Happy, but he's collaborated a bit on the new Sarah Perrotta (also formerly of Outloud Dreamer). It's rather ecto-ish, if anyone is interested. Here's a review: Sarah Perrotta: The Well Sarah Perrotta Music, 2008 I first heard the quixotic vocals of Sarah Perrotta through her work with the extinct outfit Outloud Dreamer, when she was known as Sarah Medenbach. The name has changed but the voice remains distinctively hers-- smooth as vanilla pudding and lulling as warm liquid velvet, were there such a thing. In her current solo incarnation, she's pulled together local luminaries Tony Levin, Erica Quitzow, Garth Hudson, David Temple and other competent players to help expand her repertoire of emotive, ethereal dream pop. A first spin of The Well may call to mind shades of Natalie Merchant and 10,000 Maniacs, though Perrotta remains completely original and exceedingly sophisticated in her writing (several tracks were co-written with former Dreamer Carl Adami). With Perrotta on piano, The Well is brimming with upbeat, atmospheric textures and hopeful, fanciful lyrics, from the drifting rhythms of "Rooftops" ("I hear the raindrops coming down/and I roll under, I roll through, I roll right on into you") to the pensive, bouncy cadence of "Fishes" (All the flowers of May were asleep in the grey/all the fish in the sea were in love with me). This is the stuff of dreams, but like the real thing it's never frivolous or boring. Dreams always leave us aroused by their strangeness, depth and beauty, and that's what Perrotta will be known for. www.myspace.com/sarahperrottaband. - --Sharon Nichols ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:10:07 -0500 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? I find last.fm a great way to find new music I like. I admit I use the last.fm radio only occasionally but I find their musical neighbour system an great way to find what people with a very similar spectrum of musical interests are listening to. Sort of like the Ectophiles list writ large and automated :) I've discovered countless great music through there I probably either never would have heard of or never would have had an inclination to go and listen to otherwise. Last.fm blows away the extremely limited concept of musical genres with something g far more sophisticated and superior and is a real pioneer of "social networking" sites {and still by far my favourite of these sites} Unfortunately, as others have pointed out I don't see any streamable music from Happy on there :( Perhaps there is a problem with the way the MP3s are tagged. Each artist gets one page but when things are tagged incorrectly it can't tell the difference and will make a separate "artist page" for them. Hence the existence of pages like "Happyrhodes" and "Happy Rhodes Live" Mike - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of CollectedSounds Sent: December-03-07 9:46 AM To: morayati@email.unc.edu Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? On Dec 3, 2007 1:14 AM, wrote: > I'm looking at http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes . There's also this one: http://www.last.fm/music/Happy+Rhodes+live Which doesn't have much on it. Then there's this one: http://www.last.fm/music/HappyRhodes which looks like the one Vickie is talking about. So my guess is that Vickie isn't the only one putting up stuff about Happy there. That's good, right? - -- Amy Collected Sounds www.collectedsounds.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:36:10 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Any ecto lurkers in Japan?? Hi, Greetings from Osaka!! Maybe it's the unbelievably long flight or the fact that when I turned on the TV in my hotel room the first thing I saw was a Hello, Kitty! children's show ... but I really feel like I'm on a different planet right about now. I don't know if there are any ecto lurkers in Japan, but on the off-chance there are (or if anybody has friends over here), here are the details of Rachael Sage's first ever Japanese tour, which starts today on national TV(!): Tue. 4 December 6:00 PM Live performance/interview on MJTV (Music Japan Television) -- check local listings for channel Wed. 5 December 8:00 PM MCuatro 1-4-20 Minami Mukonoso, Amagasaki City (Osaka) Thu. 6 December 7:00 PM Live Spot Rag w/Mary Yamaguchi and Tatsuji Hirata Kyoto Empire Bld. 5th Fl., Agaru Sanjo Kiya-cho (Kyoto) Fri. 7 December 8:15 PM Flamingo the Arusha w/Trace and Moon Religion 1-7-27 Sakuragawa, Naniwa Ku (Osaka) Sat. 8 December 1:00 PM "East Meets West" at Tenmado Comfort w/Mary Yamaguchi 3-4-11 Baba, Takada, Shinjuku (Tokyo) Sun. 8 December 6:30 PM "Big Fish Live" at Ebisu Switch w/Hachiya Koto & Toshiyuki Machida, Akiko Higashikawa, Hiroki Ohshiba 3-28-4 ATO Blg. B1, Ebisu, Shibuya ku (Tokyo) Tue. 11 December 9:00 PM Misfits Imaike Bee House 3F, Imaike 4-10-16, Chikusa-ku (Nagoya) Off to find some sushi for breakfast, - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:30:17 +0100 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Re: Music categorization/tagging/organization utilities? [morayati@email.unc.edu]: > > - A way to categorize songs as well as albums. [...] you could > have a Category: Covers for cover songs, Category: I don't know - > maybe Category: Minor key songs for minor key songs, Category: > Geese if I had a lot of songs about geese and wanted to categorize > them as such...you get the idea. (I hope.) > > - A search function. > > - Ability to add my own notes. > > - It not to cost TOO much. I'm a bit surprised to read this, since all the major Linux music applications support all of this and more, e.g., Amarok, Rhythmbox, Banshee. I thought these were standard features! I'll have to leave it to others to name free applications for Windows, though. - -- Kjetil T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:55:59 -0500 From: meredith Subject: two loons for tea in NYC!! Hi, Got a message from Jonathan of Two Loons For Tea that they're coming to NY/NJ this week (of course, while I'm nowhere near home, sigh). Here's their schedule, any and all area ectophiles must check them out, they are amazing! > If you know any East Coast Ectophiles that WILL be in the NYC, > area, here's our Dec. public shows (we're also doing a bunch of radio > show tapings for later broadcast): > > Thu Dec 6, 6pm @ Looney Tunes Records, 31 Brookvale Ave, West Babylon, New York 11704 > > Sat Dec 8, 1pm @ Vintage Vinyl, 51 Lafayette Rd, Fords, New Jersey > 08863 (near Princeton) > > Mon Dec 10, 10pm @ Pianos, 158 Ludlow St, New York, New York > 10002 > > AND, a West Coast show: > > Wed Dec 26, 9pm @ Triple Door Musiquarium, 216 Union St., Seattle, WA 98101 > > ( full info at myspace.com/twoloonsfortea and twoloons.com ) > > best, > > jonathan > two loons for tea - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:17:57 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Anyone going to see Vienna Teng Thursday night? NYC, the Blender at Gramercy, 8pm. I'll be there. And on the topic of unorthodox holiday music, here's something in the spirit of Susan McKeown's recent musical direction: http://www.oytotheworld.com/samples.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:07:58 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Sybarite Who knows anything about Sybarite? I came across the following clip I had downloaded someplace, and it took me a heck of a time to track it down to its origin at 4AD. http://static.4ad.com/mp3/audio/sybar-cad2207cd-02.mp3 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #327 ***************************