From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #326 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, December 3 2007 Volume 13 : Number 326 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... ["robert bristow-johnson" ] Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... [Doug ] Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... [gaseous clay ] Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... [Bernie Mojzes ] The Golden Compass (Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... ["Xenu's Si] Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... [Bernie Mojzes Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Juha Sorva (jsorva@niksula.hut.fi) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Lenore December 05 sagi Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 02:57:47 -0500 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Clifford" > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:08:17 -0500 > > > ..."The Golden Compass" tonight. Except for some dodgy CGI when Lylah rides > her ice bear, it's quite enthralling, extremely well cast and very faithful > to the book. I think Kate's gonna score a Best Song nomination for this one. i just saw the first TV ad for it. starts Dec 7th. i hadn't heard of the book, either. they say it's like Lord of the Rings. so KaTe Bush is in this? - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:43:40 +1100 From: "Chris Boek" Subject: Come Back Kate - report I went along to see Come Back Kate on Friday afternoon in Amsterdam. This was not trivial as I found out the day before it had been sold out! I queued up outside the theater at 8:30am on the day and managed to get tickets though, so the day was saved. First of all, there was no Happy. I think I know why, though, which I'll get to in a minute. They did show interviews and music with a Cynthia Conrad from somewhere in Connecticut I believe. A group called Blood Ruby. Nice music, I'm going to have to try and find a CD of her now. The film was essentially a portrait of what I'll call "enthusiastic fandom". The people in the film were all ones for whom hearing Kate's music changed their lives, and as a result, her music (and Kate herself) had achieved some higher place than just an artist and her work, but had become a spiritual thing. There was not much in the way of Kate Bush music, although there were obviously Kate songs used as background music. There were six main interviewees: An American guy named Peter Manchester, whose claim to fame had been to receive a letter from Kate, in reply to his own letter, in which he explained that Organon had been misspelled. There was a cover artist (Julie someone ? I forget the name), who looked a little like Kate, and her cover version of Wuthering Heights sounded eerily similar to the original. I thought that her dance skills could do with some improvement though. There was this guy who had apparently written an early biography of Kate, and there was this rather amusing scene where he attempted to reenact the death of Kates great-great-great grandfather, who had apparently fallen into a damp ditch while drunk and suffocated. So he walked along the road where he claimed it happened, and fell into a ditch. I think the film makers might have been deliberately egging him on ... He was a bit of a scary obsessive guy though, as he described (and I don't if it's true) how he used to stalk Kate, and hang around outside her back door, wondering there was an alarm on it. Maybe that was just a piece of fiction - I can't really imagine he would have gotten away with something like that ... There was also an American woman (who looked familiar but I'm not sure why) who insisted on only ever listening to Kate's new music in Death Valley. And there was a Kate fan club from England I think who had a gathering for Kate's birthday, somewhere south west of London, apparently. And there was Cynthia Conrad, who had a tragic/uplifting story of severe illness and recovery. She said that she was being treated for her cancer when she heard that Aerial was going to be released, and was devastated to think she wouldn't get the opportunity to hear it. What she actually said was that there were two things she would regret not experiencing: the birth of her sister's child, and the release of Kate's new album. The film makers were apparently trying to show a representative cross section of enthusiastic fans, and I think the sensationalism of Cynthia Conrad's story meant that she made it into the film, and Happy didn't. Because otherwise, they were both artists who had been inspired by Kate, which is what the film makers were primarily looking for, and there was only room for one of them in the final cut. It was an interesting film - I'm sure there are many members of this list who will relate to the stories. The filmmakers had a bit of a Q and A at the end, and admitted that they were Kate fans themselves, and that they would send Kate a copy of the film. I wonder what she'll think ... Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:28:23 -0600 From: Doug Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... > > ..."The Golden Compass" tonight. Except for some dodgy CGI when Lylah > > rides her ice bear, it's quite enthralling, extremely well cast > so KaTe Bush is in this? Yes, Kate plays the Ice Bear. - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:20:10 -0500 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... >>> ..."The Golden Compass" tonight. Except for some dodgy CGI when Lylah >>> rides her ice bear, it's quite enthralling, extremely well cast > >> so KaTe Bush is in this? > > Yes, Kate plays the Ice Bear. no, she plays the role of god. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:43:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... The books are sophisticated young adult - superficially aimed at a teen readership, but with lots of interesting layers. What's particularly interesting is that the protagonists are definitely good guys, they find themselves forced to choose sides between warring factions, none of which are good. It's the age-old battle of Good vs Evil, except nobody's purely good and nobody's purely evil. > i just saw the first TV ad for it. starts Dec 7th. i hadn't heard of > the book, either. they say it's like Lord of the Rings. > > so KaTe Bush is in this? Now *that* would be interesting. Perhaps cast in the role of Serafina? > > -- > > r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge." > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:09:04 -0800 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... My husband & I went to see the preview of "The Golden Compass" last night after reading about it on ecto. We both thought it was a wonderful film. I almost wish I could have experienced it when I was a young teen since it's so rare to see an adventure with a kick-ass GIRL hero who is brave and strong and goes off on a quest to rescue a boy! I'm sure the fact that there's a young female heroine made it difficult to get this film made, as the conventional wisdom says that girls will watch movies/TV shows about boys but not vice versa. If you have a child, niece or nephew etc., I hope you'll consider taking her or him to the film (it's probably suitable for ages 10 and up -- there are some pretty scary parts!). However, if you're primarily interested in hearing the Kate song (Kate is NOT in the movie, she just has a new song over the end credits) I'd suggest going to a weekday matinee or any showing that is likely to have a smaller audience. The preview last night was sold out and once the film ended, nearly everyone got up to leave and started talking and I could barely hear the song. BTW apparently there was some furor over a supposed "atheist" message in the film and some religious groups are planning to picket/protest. There is absolutely nothing like that in the film as far as I could determine. If there is an atheist theme in the books it must REALLY have been watered down for the movie. - --Sue T. On 12/2/07, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > The books are sophisticated young adult - superficially aimed at a > teen readership, but with lots of interesting layers. What's particularly > interesting is that the protagonists are definitely good guys, they find > themselves forced to choose sides between warring factions, none of which > are good. It's the age-old battle of Good vs Evil, except nobody's purely > good and nobody's purely evil. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Come Back Kate - report Thank you for that report Chris! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it! You're the only person to write an in-depth report, no one on the Kate forum said a word, and I know a bunch of people there went to see it. - --- Chris Boek wrote: > First of all, there was no Happy. I think I know why, though, which > I'll get to in a minute. I'm sorry for the confirmation that Happy is not in the film, but your explanation sounds reasonable. > They did show interviews and music with a Cynthia Conrad from > somewhere in Connecticut I believe. A group called Blood Ruby. Nice > music, I'm going to have to try and find a CD of her now. Cynthia is a long-time Love-Hounder, and was on ecto in the past, though I don't know if she still is. Cynthia is a huge Happy fan too and is the one who suggested Happy to the filmmakers. Here's Blood Ruby's MySpace page. http://www.myspace.com/bloodruby > The film was essentially a portrait of what I'll call "enthusiastic > fandom". The people in the film were all ones for whom hearing Kate's > music changed their lives, I can relate to that. Hearing Kate's music definitely changed my life because Chris and I met, and because I discovered Happy. > and as a result, her music (and Kate > herself) had achieved some higher place than just an artist and her > work, but had become a spiritual thing. I can't relate to that. I am not a spiritual person. > There was a cover artist (Julie someone ? I > forget the name), That would be Julie Handy, who, IMO, the less said, the better. > There was this guy who had apparently written an early biography of > Kate, and there was this rather amusing scene where he attempted to > reenact the death of Kates great-great-great grandfather, who had > apparently fallen into a damp ditch while drunk and suffocated. So he > walked along the road where he claimed it happened, and fell into a > ditch. I think the film makers might have been deliberately egging > him on ... He was a bit of a scary obsessive guy though, as he > described (and I don't if it's true) how he used to stalk Kate, and > hang around outside her back door, wondering there was an alarm on it. Fred Vermoral. That's one freaky-deaky dude. He wrote "The Secret History of Kate Bush" which, though it has a great cover and is somewhat interesting, is very unreliable. The guy's a weirdo and he's made other Kate fans out to be loonies, when he's the looniest of them all. His inclusion in this documentary is the one thing that casts doubt on its credibility. I didn't know he was in it until the other day. > Maybe that was just a piece of fiction - I can't really imagine he > would have gotten away with something like that ... Believe it. > There was also an American woman (who looked familiar but I'm not sure > why) who insisted on only ever listening to Kate's new music in Death > Valley. And there was a Kate fan club from England I think who had a > gathering for Kate's birthday, somewhere south west of London, > apparently. Lissa Kathe was one of those 'on the beach' people. Lissa is a fine musician/singer in her own right, and is also a huge Happy fan. I don't think she's ever been on ecto though. > It was an interesting film - I'm sure there are many members of this > list who will relate to the stories. The filmmakers had a bit of a Q > and A at the end, and admitted that they were Kate fans themselves, > and that they would send Kate a copy of the film. I wonder what she'll > think ... Oh man, the filmmakers were there and you didn't ask about Happy? Boo hoo. I still want to know if Happy will be on the DVD extras. Thanks for the report! Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: The Golden Compass (Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... Laura's right, we did enjoy it! I agree with everything you said too Sue. Chris and I went to see it last night and we both thought it was a wonderful film too. We had read the books, though not recently, and felt that the movie captured the spirit of the books well. Nicole Kidman was terrific as pure evil, and the little girl, Dakota Blue Richards, is a revelation as Lyra, our heroine. The movie was exciting and so beautiful and interesting to look at. Every frame is like a painting. I too wish I'd seen this movie as an adolescent. There never can be too many young female heroines. I hope this movie does blockbuster business. Unlike Lord of the Rings, where they filmed all three books at one time, the filmmakers were only able to film this one, and filming the other two books depends on this one's reception. They just have to film the other two books, it would be tragic if they weren't able to do that. > BTW apparently there was some furor over a supposed "atheist" message > in the film and some religious groups are planning to picket/protest. > There is absolutely nothing like that in the film as far as I could > determine. If there is an atheist theme in the books it must REALLY > have been watered down for the movie. Some spoilers below... It's not atheistic in the least. Like many things extremist loonballs latch onto, they've gotten the wrong information and are "boycotting" the movie on the basis of a lie they were told by the idiots who make up such nonsense. I can't explain the lie without explaining the ending of the 3rd book in-depth, but for open-minded Christians, they shouldn't have a problem with how things turn out. The author Phillip Pullman is himself an atheist, but the books aren't. Since atheists are so villified in this country the loonballs are trying to taint the books just because of Pullman. Personally, I wish the books were atheistic. I absolutely hated the ending of the 3rd book. BUT, EVERY SINGLE THING that leads up to that ending is wonderful and fascinating and I can't hate the series as a whole just because it doesn't turn out the way I want. I can't wait to see it played out on the big screen. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... There's a very strong anti-The-Church theme in the books, where the chuch is a large, powerful, corrupt institution. I don't think the books came down either way on the issue of God, and it was to some extent FOR spirituality, but the church didn't come off too well. (Around 900-1000AD, incidentally, there was something called the Bogomil Heresy that came out of Hungary which claimed that the Church was actually created and run by Satan. There are some similarities between this and the Golden Compass books.) My understanding is that all references to the Church as an agent of evil were eliminated from the movie. Bernie > BTW apparently there was some furor over a supposed "atheist" message > in the film and some religious groups are planning to picket/protest. > There is absolutely nothing like that in the film as far as I could > determine. If there is an atheist theme in the books it must REALLY > have been watered down for the movie. > > --Sue T. > > On 12/2/07, Bernie Mojzes wrote: >> The books are sophisticated young adult - superficially aimed at a >> teen readership, but with lots of interesting layers. What's particularly >> interesting is that the protagonists are definitely good guys, they find >> themselves forced to choose sides between warring factions, none of which >> are good. It's the age-old battle of Good vs Evil, except nobody's purely >> good and nobody's purely evil. > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:09:04 -0800 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... My husband & I went to see the preview of "The Golden Compass" last night after reading about it on ecto. We both thought it was a wonderful film. I almost wish I could have experienced it when I was a young teen since it's so rare to see an adventure with a kick-ass GIRL hero who is brave and strong and goes off on a quest to rescue a boy! I'm sure the fact that there's a young female heroine made it difficult to get this film made, as the conventional wisdom says that girls will watch movies/TV shows about boys but not vice versa. If you have a child, niece or nephew etc., I hope you'll consider taking her or him to the film (it's probably suitable for ages 10 and up -- there are some pretty scary parts!). However, if you're primarily interested in hearing the Kate song (Kate is NOT in the movie, she just has a new song over the end credits) I'd suggest going to a weekday matinee or any showing that is likely to have a smaller audience. The preview last night was sold out and once the film ended, nearly everyone got up to leave and started talking and I could barely hear the song. BTW apparently there was some furor over a supposed "atheist" message in the film and some religious groups are planning to picket/protest. There is absolutely nothing like that in the film as far as I could determine. If there is an atheist theme in the books it must REALLY have been watered down for the movie. - --Sue T. On 12/2/07, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > The books are sophisticated young adult - superficially aimed at a > teen readership, but with lots of interesting layers. What's particularly > interesting is that the protagonists are definitely good guys, they find > themselves forced to choose sides between warring factions, none of which > are good. It's the age-old battle of Good vs Evil, except nobody's purely > good and nobody's purely evil. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:53:26 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Lelia Broussard - The Living Room Dec 4th 9pm Free! Here's the video invite and a performance of a new song "waiting on the nine" which is just fab! Birdie (recovered from a hand injury AND awake! ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1mEI0Q78M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:29:59 -0600 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: I'm sure everyone's going to enjoy... Playing herself, then? On 12/2/07 10:20 AM, "gaseous clay" wrote: >>>> ..."The Golden Compass" tonight. Except for some dodgy CGI when Lylah >>>> rides her ice bear, it's quite enthralling, extremely well cast >> >>> so KaTe Bush is in this? >> >> Yes, Kate plays the Ice Bear. > > no, she plays the role of god. > > woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:27:23 -0500 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? Sorry this got into my spam filter for some reason so I just saw it now. I've been using last.fm for over 3 years and I love that site. I've never tried uploading music there but know from experience that the staff there are very nice and helpful down to earth music fans. If you're still having trouble drop one of them a line or post in the forum and I'm sure one of them can help you. Great that Happy will be represented musically there! Mike - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Drotschmann Sent: November-14-07 9:21 AM To: Xenu's Sister; ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? Hey Vickie, > It still won't accept the videos, but I FINALLY got the Find Me > songs to work! For me anyway. Not that anyone will listen or > care, but at least they're there. > > http://www.last.fm/music/HappyRhodes/ great!!! Thank you :-) Ciao, Wolfgang - -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: RE: Ok, it works! (Re: Why is lastfm so fucking brain-damaged? - --- Michael Quinn wrote: > Sorry this got into my spam filter for some reason so I just saw it now. > I've been using last.fm for over 3 years and I love that site. I've never > tried uploading music there but know from experience that the staff there > are very nice and helpful down to earth music fans. If you're still having > trouble drop one of them a line or post in the forum and I'm sure one of > them can help you. Great that Happy will be represented musically there! I still can't get any videos up there. lastfm makes everything so hard and complicated that it's frustrating. It's still highly brain-damaged, compared to everywhere else I've uploaded Happy's music, but at least I got a few songs up before giving up. Not that it matters anyway though. Just as I suspected, hardly anyone cares about Happy on lastfm. She has a whopping one listener...me. It says songs have been "scrobbled" 34 times, whatever that means, but Find Me has never been listened to, Charlie has been listened to once, One and Many 3 times, and She Won't Go once. And those were probably me when I was checking the songs. I don't see what use lastfm is for promoting Happy, but at least the songs are there and if I'm lucky I won't have to go back there for several months. Vickie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #326 ***************************